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Fields_Overseer  [Member]
2/4/2009 5:05:23 AM EST
My brother wants to get an ak (proly 5.56) and prefers the ak ergos over the ar15's. he asked about the century galil for $800 and i told him a saiga would be a much better option, higher quality ect. Ive been under the impression that a galil (although it could be) is more of a novalty than a SHTF gun b/c of mags, parts, and the main thing is century's rep. Am I correct? I gave him a link to the 5.56 ak thread to get some ideas. he has a good job and for $800 i figured he could get a 5.56 saiga, convert and start saving up for a good sight such as a larue irondot, ect. Also are all the irondots 4moa or do they make 2 moa? how much does 4moa affect groups compared to 2 moa? Thanx all.
-fields
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RONINx39  [Member]
2/4/2009 6:30:46 AM EST
Im about ready to take batting practice with my Galil, anyway the damn things would be just fine for SHTF if you can get one that works. Me and my bro both got one and his runs great, accurate as hell and works great with the AR mag adapter as well. Its just Centruy manages to screw the builds or whatever the heck they do. Mine went back last nite via FedEx. You may get a headache or you may not, if it is going to be your bro's first endeavor than get the Saiga. I wish i did cuz i need a .223 rifle bad. YMMV
Mak  [Team Member]
2/4/2009 6:38:22 AM EST
I wouldn't get one if it has an incorrectly heat treated receiver. I'd go with the Saiga and convert it.
StephenNW  [Member]
2/4/2009 7:40:55 AM EST
No question…go with the Saiga. The Saiga is a factory-built weapon. Specifically, it’s built to high quality standards in a Russian factory. There essentially is no such thing as a “piece of shit” Saiga (unless someone manages to royally botch a pistol grip conversion).

The Galil, on the other hand, is hit or miss. It is made from parts kits of questionable quality from Central and South American countries (countries not exactly known for taking good care of their weapons). These parts kits are then assembled by the monkeys at Century. And at least on the earlier Century Galil’s, they were using ORF receivers that were apparently out-of-spec and not heat-treated properly. So…if you buy a Galil, you are taking a chance. The ONLY way you should buy one, is if you can actually shoot the thing first. Or at least, you should talk with your dealer beforehand and get a crystal-clear assurance that he’ll take the rifle back if it has so much as even a few hiccups.

And if you do get a Galil, for goodness sakes, don’t pay $800 for it. Galils are readily available for $599 from several sources. But like I originally said, you should skip the Galil all together and get the Saiga. Why buy second-class, when you can buy first-class for the same money?!?
haLfLiFe  [Member]
2/4/2009 7:53:54 AM EST
I have always wondered the same question myself on what would be better to own galil vs. AK. I hope some more folks jump on board and give us their opinions.
Mak  [Team Member]
2/4/2009 8:18:02 AM EST
$599.95 @ JGsales
Fields_Overseer  [Member]
2/4/2009 8:18:55 AM EST
thanx guys, my friend has a saiga and im a huge fan, hoping to get one myself, I just wanted to know if the galils were magicly good compared to centuries other shit.
StephenNW  [Member]
2/4/2009 8:23:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By haLfLiFe:
I have always wondered the same question myself on what would be better to own galil vs. AK. I hope some more folks jump on board and give us their opinions.


Just do a Google search for Galil reviews. You’ll find that the majority of those reviews are not positive.

There’s no question…in almost every way, a properly built AK will be a better weapon than a Galil.

Edit: Let me scratch that last sentence. A "Galil" is a very good weapon; perhaps just as good as an AK. But Century is not selling the "Galil". Century is selling a "Golani". The Golani is not of the same quality as a real Galil.


RS39  [Site Staff]
2/4/2009 10:10:13 AM EST


My Saiga is 2moa on cheapo 55gr hp Wolf. It just does not respond to nicer ammo like my AR. Just don't drown it in features and pay a smith for all the work, or you get closer to Sig money eventually.


Saiga, Romy wire folder, US pg/hts set/gas piston, dremel the hg like a FAL for vents and foil lining. Prob less shop work than your show time to try to hand pick a 556 Romy...

IF you stumble into one....
http://www.robarm.com/RA_veprK_223.htm

http://www.arsenalinc.com/sam5.htm

Defensor_Fortis  [Member]
2/4/2009 11:57:55 AM EST
A REAL (IMI) Galil is an excellent weapon.

A Century is unknown quantity but probably crappy.

There's a couple other companies selling "good" clones that would be worth the money.
Fields_Overseer  [Member]
2/4/2009 7:32:38 PM EST
If he goes the saiga route, which ill do my best to convince him to do, ill convert it for him myself. I've done it before(rear). If he wants the front done ill just have him buy the bolt on retainer from danzag arms and a trigger guard to make it easier. Sound good? Any probs with the bolt on retainer?
Fields_Overseer  [Member]
2/10/2009 3:20:02 PM EST
Also, what other companies sell galils?

RS39  [Site Staff]
2/10/2009 5:04:20 PM EST
Real Galils are just rare, and most of the current kit builds have US mfg non-chrome bbls. If he needs a milled 556 AK, beat the bushes for a SAM5.

$800 Golani < $1200 Sig


Lumpy196  [Team Member]
2/10/2009 5:36:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By Defensor_Fortis:
A REAL (IMI) Galil is an excellent weapon.

A Century is unknown quantity but probably crappy. They're crappy.

There's a couple other companies selling "good" clones that would be worth the money.maybe



If it's not stamped "Made in Israel" the comparison isn't worth making.
TX-Zen  [Member]
2/10/2009 5:45:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By Fields_Overseer:
Any probs with the bolt on retainer?



I have one on my x39 and S12 and they're both rock solid. Dinzag makes some great shat, buy with confidence.




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paddle3  [Team Member]
2/10/2009 6:30:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By Fields_Overseer:
Also, what other companies sell galils?

Ohio Rapid Fire, for one. Mine has been trouble free.

CopM4  [Member]
2/11/2009 4:56:40 AM EST

...anything from Century is a gamble - period

Galils were produced by IMI (Israeli Military Industires) for the IDF (Israeli Defense Force) - they were a much sought after weapon after the Israelis bad experiance with the FN-FAL battle rifle.

The Israelis saw how well the AK's worked and borrowed really heavily from the Finnish Valmet Rifle to make the Galil.

But cost and the weight of the rifle were an issue and the Israelis adopted the M16 ...

The POS rifle sold by Century is the Golani - not the Galil

If you want a 5.56 AK rifle get the Arsenal SLR106 ...nothing better in a 5,56 AK out there
Stahlgewehr762  [Member]
2/11/2009 12:20:56 PM EST
The Century "Galoney" is a big gamble; at best they are inconsistent in quality. Many Golani owners would say that calling them "inconsistent" is being very polite. OTOH, a real IMI Galil is an excellent rifle with a proven combat record. Many consider them to be one of the best assault rifles ever produced.
SickMAK90  [Member]
2/11/2009 12:24:20 PM EST
I had a .223 saiga and it was a very nice gun. However, mag selection is iffy. If you convert it and add a bullet guide you can use factory .223 ak mags. That would be a better option. It shot well but I still prefer AR's if you want something in .223.
Fields_Overseer  [Member]
2/12/2009 8:22:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By SickMAK90:
I had a .223 saiga and it was a very nice gun. However, mag selection is iffy. If you convert it and add a bullet guide you can use factory .223 ak mags. That would be a better option. It shot well but I still prefer AR's if you want something in .223.


i tried talkin him into it, but he doesnt like them. He finds the ak ergos much more fitting to him. Well proly convert to galil mags.
m14fun  [Team Member]
2/12/2009 1:18:20 PM EST
My brother has an Arsenal SLR-106, great rifle.

ttman  [Member]
2/12/2009 1:36:39 PM EST

While being a successful weapon, the Galil was not widely issued to the IDF during its lifetime, because during the late 1960s and early 1970s Israel received large shipments of the US M16 and CAR-15 assault rifles at the very low prices. M16 rifles became the major armament of the IDF, with the Galils mostly issued to the Armored corps, Artillery corps and some units of the Israeli Air Forces. The Galil rifles were exported to the various South American, African and Asian countries. Estonia also received some Galil rifles in the early 2000s. The slightly modified Galil rifle is manufactured by the South African Vektor company, a division of the DENEL. Those models included the R-4 (Galil AR), R-5 (Galil SAR) and R-6 (Galil MAR) assault rifles, and are used by the South African Military. Another offspring of the Galil is the Croatian APS-95 assault rifle. The semi-automatic only versions of the both 5.56mm and 7.62mm Galil AR rifles were widely sold to both domestic and foreign civilian and law enforcement markets.


Originally Posted By CopM4:
But cost and the weight of the rifle were an issue and the Israelis adopted the M16 ...


LtBlue425  [Team Member]
2/16/2009 9:37:42 PM EST
My Century Golani was "inconsistant" also. It would only function reliably with the Orlite 35 rd mags but I got tired of the long mag hanging down. With steel mags it was JAM-O-MATIC big time!!! The problem was improper dimensions in the mag well area so the steel mags were not situated properly to feed.

The reason there's so few Isreali Galils around is they were expensive (AR-15 was much cheaper) and they are heavy for a 223. In the very early 80's I was hot to trot for a Galil until I handled one of those heavy things. Ended up buying a HK91 instead and it had a $50 rebate.
nictra  [Team Member]
2/17/2009 3:37:09 AM EST
it's such a shame too. I was so excited when the Goloni 1st came out too. I'm just glad I didn't have the cash when they 1st hit the market.

As for the ergonomics of the AK vs the Galil, they both feel good to me. I guess it depends on which model of galil you hold. I'm not up to
snuff on the models for the galil, but the model w/ the bipod is pretty bulky. However, the PG on the galil is awesome, so much so I put one
on my krink.
Akalvarez  [Member]
2/17/2009 3:37:27 PM EST
106CR if your bro can find one.


l1a1man  [Team Member]
2/18/2009 8:16:56 AM EST
My Golani has been great. Not a problem, eats all ammo in it, accurate.
FourStringSlinger  [Team Member]
2/18/2009 8:28:30 AM EST
Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Originally Posted By Defensor_Fortis:
A REAL (IMI) Galil is an excellent weapon.

A Century is unknown quantity but probably crappy. They're crappy.

There's a couple other companies selling "good" clones that would be worth the money.maybe



If it's not stamped "Made in Israel" the comparison isn't worth making.


Yup. About 60% of the Golanis we've sold come back for problems. POS. Either get a real one or go with a quality AK.
Defensor_Fortis  [Member]
2/18/2009 11:01:19 AM EST
The ARM (bipod model) is rather heavy, even by Galil standards.

The AR (standard model) is decent, though heavier than an M16, it's about the same as an FAL or maybe an RPK in the hands.

The Micro-Galil is very handy, but like the AKSU, somewhat iffy on accuracy.


The above two observations are my own, from the Lebanese border and some IDF guys I've known, the Micro, observations from a couple IDF armor officers I know who've carried them.
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