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ULTRA-LITE AR10 - need help
10/16/2011 9:23:38 PM
Any one have suggestions on an AR10 build that comes in under 7 pounds without optics or loaded magazine?
I'd love pics if anyone has them.
I'm looking to build an AR10 for hog hunting. It will get carried for miles and ounces count.
Currently using either an 11-87p or AR15 in .556.
I'd love pics if anyone has them.
I'm looking to build an AR10 for hog hunting. It will get carried for miles and ounces count.
Currently using either an 11-87p or AR15 in .556.
10/16/2011 9:28:52 PM
See this thread:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_62/550462_Thinking_about_getting_another_AR_10_.html&page=1&anc=5251543#i5251543
It talks quite a bit about a lightweight AR10 carbine.
The only way to get lighter would be to SBR one, but only if you feel like dealing with all the NFA bullshit.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_62/550462_Thinking_about_getting_another_AR_10_.html&page=1&anc=5251543#i5251543
It talks quite a bit about a lightweight AR10 carbine.
The only way to get lighter would be to SBR one, but only if you feel like dealing with all the NFA bullshit.
10/16/2011 9:34:37 PM
Thanks,
Looks like they are saying 8 pounds is about as low as it gets.
I'm thinking a standard 16" with MOE hand guards could come in lower....
Anyone make a pencil barrel for the AR10?
Looks like they are saying 8 pounds is about as low as it gets.
I'm thinking a standard 16" with MOE hand guards could come in lower....
Anyone make a pencil barrel for the AR10?
10/16/2011 11:10:09 PM
Originally Posted By jpIII:
Thanks,
Looks like they are saying 8 pounds is about as low as it gets.
I'm thinking a standard 16" with MOE hand guards could come in lower....
Anyone make a pencil barrel for the AR10?
Thanks,
Looks like they are saying 8 pounds is about as low as it gets.
I'm thinking a standard 16" with MOE hand guards could come in lower....
Anyone make a pencil barrel for the AR10?
That is the pencil barrel.
10/17/2011 9:30:31 PM
The earliest Dutch AR10's had fluted steel barrels and "space age" plastic handguards and buttstock.
The rifle weighed in at about 6.75 pounds. Only one or two prototypes had the infamous steel-sleeved
aluminum barrel. [one blew up] It is quite difficult and expensive to find one of these Sudanese contract
AR10's and I am not suggesting anyone go out an get one.
How much weight could be saved by fluting the daylights out of a modern AR10 barrel?
The rifle weighed in at about 6.75 pounds. Only one or two prototypes had the infamous steel-sleeved
aluminum barrel. [one blew up] It is quite difficult and expensive to find one of these Sudanese contract
AR10's and I am not suggesting anyone go out an get one.
How much weight could be saved by fluting the daylights out of a modern AR10 barrel?
10/18/2011 7:50:03 AM
I may just have to really consider the SBR route.
There has to be somewhere that a bit more weight can be saved.
There has to be somewhere that a bit more weight can be saved.
10/18/2011 10:13:36 AM
Originally Posted By jpIII:
I may just have to really consider the SBR route.
There has to be somewhere that a bit more weight can be saved.
I may just have to really consider the SBR route.
There has to be somewhere that a bit more weight can be saved.
You could try lifting weights. Thats the best way to makes things lighter. Requires no gunsmithing at all
10/18/2011 10:19:27 AM
Originally Posted By crocodile427:
You could try lifting weights. Thats the best way to makes things lighter. Requires no gunsmithing at all
Originally Posted By jpIII:
I may just have to really consider the SBR route.
There has to be somewhere that a bit more weight can be saved.
I may just have to really consider the SBR route.
There has to be somewhere that a bit more weight can be saved.
You could try lifting weights. Thats the best way to makes things lighter. Requires no gunsmithing at all
Thanks... been doing that too actually. Hitting a 10k again next month for the first time in about 5 years.
Still doesn't hurt to lighten the gear though...
I really don't see what the problem is... I just want the power of a 308 and a 20 round magazine in a featherweight package...
10/18/2011 10:33:33 AM
Fluting is going to be your best bet then. You can take a stock medium contour barrel from Armalite and have about a whole pound ground off. You can do flutes, spirals, dimples, you name it. There is quite a bit of weight you can save from barrel work.
Have it cut down and a muzzle device pinned and welded. That would save a bit more and you can avoid the NFA BS.
The ACE stocks are pretty light as well. Probably not lighter than an M4 style though, but would be more comfortable IMO.
Or you could get one of those bolt action uppers for an AR15 lower, but you wouldnt have the 20rd mag though, only single shots.
Have it cut down and a muzzle device pinned and welded. That would save a bit more and you can avoid the NFA BS.
The ACE stocks are pretty light as well. Probably not lighter than an M4 style though, but would be more comfortable IMO.
Or you could get one of those bolt action uppers for an AR15 lower, but you wouldnt have the 20rd mag though, only single shots.
10/18/2011 10:37:59 AM
Originally Posted By crocodile427:
Fluting is going to be your best bet then. You can take a stock medium contour barrel from Armalite and have about a whole pound ground off. You can do flutes, spirals, dimples, you name it. There is quite a bit of weight you can save from barrel work.
Have it cut down and a muzzle device pinned and welded. That would save a bit more and you can avoid the NFA BS.
The ACE stocks are pretty light as well. Probably not lighter than an M4 style though, but would be more comfortable IMO.
Or you could get one of those bolt action uppers for an AR15 lower, but you wouldnt have the 20rd mag though, only single shots.
Fluting is going to be your best bet then. You can take a stock medium contour barrel from Armalite and have about a whole pound ground off. You can do flutes, spirals, dimples, you name it. There is quite a bit of weight you can save from barrel work.
Have it cut down and a muzzle device pinned and welded. That would save a bit more and you can avoid the NFA BS.
The ACE stocks are pretty light as well. Probably not lighter than an M4 style though, but would be more comfortable IMO.
Or you could get one of those bolt action uppers for an AR15 lower, but you wouldnt have the 20rd mag though, only single shots.
Single shot.... no thanks. We get within about 10-15 feet (sometimes closer) to large groups of hogs. I need large quantities of firepower on tap.
Fluting option sounds good.... and I even have a dremel.
...
Seriously though... any suggestions on reputable gunsmiths that do a good (and safe) job on fluting.
10/18/2011 11:20:10 AM
How about a Grendel in the AR15 size carbine? It well make short work of hogs.
10/18/2011 11:52:26 AM
Originally Posted By madcratebuilder:
How about a Grendel in the AR15 size carbine? It well make short work of hogs.
How about a Grendel in the AR15 size carbine? It well make short work of hogs.
It is an option, but I am partial to 308 for no obvious reason.
Seems the grendel isn't quite as powerful either.
10/18/2011 12:23:51 PM
I think ArPerformance was building something they called the AR-12 which was supposed to be a lightweight 308. Not sure whatever happened to it. Alternately cmmg has a great looking little 308 carbon e but haven't seen weights on it yet.
10/18/2011 8:42:51 PM
Originally Posted By jpIII:
Single shot.... no thanks. We get within about 10-15 feet (sometimes closer) to large groups of hogs. I need large quantities of firepower on tap.
Fluting option sounds good.... and I even have a dremel....
Seriously though... any suggestions on reputable gunsmiths that do a good (and safe) job on fluting.
Originally Posted By crocodile427:
Fluting is going to be your best bet then. You can take a stock medium contour barrel from Armalite and have about a whole pound ground off. You can do flutes, spirals, dimples, you name it. There is quite a bit of weight you can save from barrel work.
Have it cut down and a muzzle device pinned and welded. That would save a bit more and you can avoid the NFA BS.
The ACE stocks are pretty light as well. Probably not lighter than an M4 style though, but would be more comfortable IMO.
Or you could get one of those bolt action uppers for an AR15 lower, but you wouldnt have the 20rd mag though, only single shots.
Fluting is going to be your best bet then. You can take a stock medium contour barrel from Armalite and have about a whole pound ground off. You can do flutes, spirals, dimples, you name it. There is quite a bit of weight you can save from barrel work.
Have it cut down and a muzzle device pinned and welded. That would save a bit more and you can avoid the NFA BS.
The ACE stocks are pretty light as well. Probably not lighter than an M4 style though, but would be more comfortable IMO.
Or you could get one of those bolt action uppers for an AR15 lower, but you wouldnt have the 20rd mag though, only single shots.
Single shot.... no thanks. We get within about 10-15 feet (sometimes closer) to large groups of hogs. I need large quantities of firepower on tap.
Fluting option sounds good.... and I even have a dremel.
...
Seriously though... any suggestions on reputable gunsmiths that do a good (and safe) job on fluting.
I dont know any good smiths for the barrel work. Unless you want to send it to ADCO. I have been looking for someone here in Houston as well to do my barrel work. The dremel would work if you want to go that route. Plenty of people have done it, just much harder than if you had a drill press and jig.
What part of the swamp do you live in?
10/18/2011 9:05:03 PM
Originally Posted By crocodile427:
I dont know any good smiths for the barrel work. Unless you want to send it to ADCO. I have been looking for someone here in Houston as well to do my barrel work. The dremel would work if you want to go that route. Plenty of people have done it, just much harder than if you had a drill press and jig.
What part of the swamp do you live in?
Originally Posted By jpIII:
Single shot.... no thanks. We get within about 10-15 feet (sometimes closer) to large groups of hogs. I need large quantities of firepower on tap.
Fluting option sounds good.... and I even have a dremel....
Seriously though... any suggestions on reputable gunsmiths that do a good (and safe) job on fluting.
Originally Posted By crocodile427:
Fluting is going to be your best bet then. You can take a stock medium contour barrel from Armalite and have about a whole pound ground off. You can do flutes, spirals, dimples, you name it. There is quite a bit of weight you can save from barrel work.
Have it cut down and a muzzle device pinned and welded. That would save a bit more and you can avoid the NFA BS.
The ACE stocks are pretty light as well. Probably not lighter than an M4 style though, but would be more comfortable IMO.
Or you could get one of those bolt action uppers for an AR15 lower, but you wouldnt have the 20rd mag though, only single shots.
Fluting is going to be your best bet then. You can take a stock medium contour barrel from Armalite and have about a whole pound ground off. You can do flutes, spirals, dimples, you name it. There is quite a bit of weight you can save from barrel work.
Have it cut down and a muzzle device pinned and welded. That would save a bit more and you can avoid the NFA BS.
The ACE stocks are pretty light as well. Probably not lighter than an M4 style though, but would be more comfortable IMO.
Or you could get one of those bolt action uppers for an AR15 lower, but you wouldnt have the 20rd mag though, only single shots.
Single shot.... no thanks. We get within about 10-15 feet (sometimes closer) to large groups of hogs. I need large quantities of firepower on tap.
Fluting option sounds good.... and I even have a dremel.
...
Seriously though... any suggestions on reputable gunsmiths that do a good (and safe) job on fluting.
I dont know any good smiths for the barrel work. Unless you want to send it to ADCO. I have been looking for someone here in Houston as well to do my barrel work. The dremel would work if you want to go that route. Plenty of people have done it, just much harder than if you had a drill press and jig.
What part of the swamp do you live in?
I'm in the Lafayette area.
Really though, I wouldn't have to use a dremel... I've got access to a 3 axis DRO mill, I just don't know how deep I can go and still be safe within SAAMI spec.
Unless I can get some good data to show me what is safe and what will banana peel, I'd rather someone else do it.
10/20/2011 5:08:03 AM
Fluting an 18"/20" removes about 8 ounces, not a pound.
Here are a few I've sold:
Here are a few I've sold:
10/20/2011 9:11:19 PM
Those look GREAT! Nice work!
ARKAR
ARKAR
10/21/2011 9:14:14 AM
Originally Posted By jpIII:
Any one have suggestions on an AR10 build that comes in under 7 pounds without optics or loaded magazine?
I'd love pics if anyone has them.
I'm looking to build an AR10 for hog hunting. It will get carried for miles and ounces count.
Currently using either an 11-87p or AR15 in .556.
Any one have suggestions on an AR10 build that comes in under 7 pounds without optics or loaded magazine?
I'd love pics if anyone has them.
I'm looking to build an AR10 for hog hunting. It will get carried for miles and ounces count.
Currently using either an 11-87p or AR15 in .556.
Was looking for the same thing, so I built this:
7.45 lbs. 308, ready to roll!
More here.
10/21/2011 6:41:03 PM
Originally Posted By Slash:
Fluting an 18"/20" removes about 8 ounces, not a pound.
Fluting an 18"/20" removes about 8 ounces, not a pound.
I was thinking going from 20" to 18" plus the fluting would be close to a pound. I dont know how much that 2" chunk would weigh, so it was a rough guesstimate.
It also seemed the spiral effect I have seen on bolt guns might take a bit more off too. But I dont know how well that would work out on an AR barrel.
I might go ahead and send you my barrel for work. Those look very good.
10/25/2011 3:41:07 PM
He did my 20" to 18" perfect...have hiom kote it while he is at it..
10/26/2011 9:38:26 PM
WoW! Nice rifle treadmarks. Is that a DPMS barrel on a Armilite upper?
10/27/2011 8:13:07 AM
Originally Posted By JD42:
WoW! Nice rifle treadmarks. Is that a DPMS barrel on a Armilite upper?
WoW! Nice rifle treadmarks. Is that a DPMS barrel on a Armilite upper?
Thanks JD42.
DPMS AP4 barrel, turned down to a super-light profile and reparked. I swear this thing feels just like a really solid AR15.
The under seven and a half pound starting weight allows me to load it up with lights and goodies and still keeps the weight very balanced.
Red/Green Vortex StrikeFire is perfectly co-witnessed with a match front post in a Hahns Billet FSH.
Cheek weld is spot on with Vltor buttstock and coupled with the AFG, it comes up on target very instinctively and fast.
10/27/2011 5:49:54 PM
Slash just fluted an 18" T-model for me and did an outstanding job!
Still nowhere near lightweight, but it did in fact hack off about 8 oz which is a step in the right direction...
Still nowhere near lightweight, but it did in fact hack off about 8 oz which is a step in the right direction...
10/28/2011 8:12:01 AM
I know you said you want 7.62x51, but if you are hunting hogs (or any medium size game) out to 300-400m, the 6.8 SPCII would be a better choice if you are doing a lot of hiking/carrying. Same weight as a lightweight AR15 and designed to achieve high velocity through short barrels unlike the 6.5 grendel, a 14.5" barrel with pinned flash hider, lightweight profile would be at least a couple pounds lighter than any AR10 you put together and has about 60% more muzzle energy than the 5.56.
10/28/2011 8:14:49 AM
I am hunting hogs, but not from 300-400 yards.
More like 5-25 feet.
I need something that puts them down and fast.
Looking hard at the new Bushmaster 308 MOE.. some list it as 6.1 pounds, other up to 7.75 pounds. Just can't find it available anywhere yet.
More like 5-25 feet.
I need something that puts them down and fast.
Looking hard at the new Bushmaster 308 MOE.. some list it as 6.1 pounds, other up to 7.75 pounds. Just can't find it available anywhere yet.
10/28/2011 7:05:21 PM
Originally Posted By jpIII:
I am hunting hogs, but not from 300-400 yards.
More like 5-25 feet.
I need something that puts them down and fast.
Looking hard at the new Bushmaster 308 MOE.. some list it as 6.1 pounds, other up to 7.75 pounds. Just can't find it available anywhere yet.
I am hunting hogs, but not from 300-400 yards.
More like 5-25 feet.
I need something that puts them down and fast.
Looking hard at the new Bushmaster 308 MOE.. some list it as 6.1 pounds, other up to 7.75 pounds. Just can't find it available anywhere yet.
Well, you won't find your Bushmaster here.
10/28/2011 8:01:07 PM
I realize that. Thanks.
When I started the topic I didn't understand the vast differences between all the types. Thought any 308 in AR style was an AR10.
When I started the topic I didn't understand the vast differences between all the types. Thought any 308 in AR style was an AR10.
Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Well, you won't find your Bushmaster here.
Originally Posted By jpIII:
I am hunting hogs, but not from 300-400 yards.
More like 5-25 feet.
I need something that puts them down and fast.
Looking hard at the new Bushmaster 308 MOE.. some list it as 6.1 pounds, other up to 7.75 pounds. Just can't find it available anywhere yet.
I am hunting hogs, but not from 300-400 yards.
More like 5-25 feet.
I need something that puts them down and fast.
Looking hard at the new Bushmaster 308 MOE.. some list it as 6.1 pounds, other up to 7.75 pounds. Just can't find it available anywhere yet.
Well, you won't find your Bushmaster here.
10/29/2011 2:46:05 AM
Originally Posted By jpIII:
I realize that. Thanks.
When I started the topic I didn't understand the vast differences between all the types. Thought any 308 in AR style was an AR10.
I realize that. Thanks.
When I started the topic I didn't understand the vast differences between all the types. Thought any 308 in AR style was an AR10.
Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Well, you won't find your Bushmaster here.
Originally Posted By jpIII:
I am hunting hogs, but not from 300-400 yards.
More like 5-25 feet.
I need something that puts them down and fast.
Looking hard at the new Bushmaster 308 MOE.. some list it as 6.1 pounds, other up to 7.75 pounds. Just can't find it available anywhere yet.
I am hunting hogs, but not from 300-400 yards.
More like 5-25 feet.
I need something that puts them down and fast.
Looking hard at the new Bushmaster 308 MOE.. some list it as 6.1 pounds, other up to 7.75 pounds. Just can't find it available anywhere yet.
Well, you won't find your Bushmaster here.
10/29/2011 9:02:27 AM
Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Well, you won't find your Bushmaster here.
Originally Posted By jpIII:
I am hunting hogs, but not from 300-400 yards.
More like 5-25 feet.
I need something that puts them down and fast.
Looking hard at the new Bushmaster 308 MOE.. some list it as 6.1 pounds, other up to 7.75 pounds. Just can't find it available anywhere yet.
I am hunting hogs, but not from 300-400 yards.
More like 5-25 feet.
I need something that puts them down and fast.
Looking hard at the new Bushmaster 308 MOE.. some list it as 6.1 pounds, other up to 7.75 pounds. Just can't find it available anywhere yet.
Well, you won't find your Bushmaster here.
What he said
11/4/2011 10:11:31 AM
Thread revived. I decided to check the weight on mine today for the first time. Don't know how accurate the
scales are, but here's what I got. No mag, no sling. Took off the Magpul extended light rail and Magpul 3 slot
rail that was used to mount the Daniel Defense sling mount. Thinking of going back to the simple factory sling.
Even took the rubber 3-round plug out of the MIAD grip since there's no use for it. About as light as I can get it
and still have the optic and BUIS. Might save a little more weight by using a MOE stock instead of the CTR.
ARKAR
scales are, but here's what I got. No mag, no sling. Took off the Magpul extended light rail and Magpul 3 slot
rail that was used to mount the Daniel Defense sling mount. Thinking of going back to the simple factory sling.
Even took the rubber 3-round plug out of the MIAD grip since there's no use for it. About as light as I can get it
and still have the optic and BUIS. Might save a little more weight by using a MOE stock instead of the CTR.
ARKAR
11/6/2011 12:34:12 AM
Thought I would chime in with my new one. 9 lbs exactly without the magazine if the wifes scales are correct.
11/13/2011 11:47:45 PM
JP rifles sells lightweight AR10 barrels. You could save a few more ounces with their LMOS bolt carrier and buffer system.
12/27/2011 1:10:24 AM
The best advice so far is "lift weights"....
No way to get lightweight in an AR-10 platform with a (loaded) 25rd mag or anything over a 10rd mag.
Weigh your ammo.
The boltcarrier plus barrel extension w/barrel shank is where the weight is.
Figure you're gonna lighten the bolt carrier? Why not shoot them new Sierra 123gr matchkings and save
4 ounces there???
Gonna run a heavy stock? The standard A2 or Vietnam stock saves weight. An A2 saves all that weight
of a scope. You can mount a leupold 1-4x II type in a carryhandle base and get a decent stock weld. The
scope weighs about 11 oz. Triji Reflex will also adapt to AR10 carry handle, just drill a mounting hole for
the carryhandle mount...
The AR-10 is a full-size rifle, May as well shoot an AR-15 with 77gr match ammo if you aren't interested
in the full potential. The 15 is also gonna be relatively heavy, but the ammo, bolt carrier assy, and barrel
steel are where the weight savings are. I have both rifles, but unless dangerous game were on the ticket,
I'd rather carry the 15. Shoot some bthp heavies into a box of rocks at close range and see if any of the
recovered bullets have broken up. They may bend like pretzels, but they hang tough. They will kill any
feral hog. Russian Boar or Bear is another matter, but that's why you carry a pistol, no?
No way to get lightweight in an AR-10 platform with a (loaded) 25rd mag or anything over a 10rd mag.
Weigh your ammo.
The boltcarrier plus barrel extension w/barrel shank is where the weight is.
Figure you're gonna lighten the bolt carrier? Why not shoot them new Sierra 123gr matchkings and save
4 ounces there???
Gonna run a heavy stock? The standard A2 or Vietnam stock saves weight. An A2 saves all that weight
of a scope. You can mount a leupold 1-4x II type in a carryhandle base and get a decent stock weld. The
scope weighs about 11 oz. Triji Reflex will also adapt to AR10 carry handle, just drill a mounting hole for
the carryhandle mount...
The AR-10 is a full-size rifle, May as well shoot an AR-15 with 77gr match ammo if you aren't interested
in the full potential. The 15 is also gonna be relatively heavy, but the ammo, bolt carrier assy, and barrel
steel are where the weight savings are. I have both rifles, but unless dangerous game were on the ticket,
I'd rather carry the 15. Shoot some bthp heavies into a box of rocks at close range and see if any of the
recovered bullets have broken up. They may bend like pretzels, but they hang tough. They will kill any
feral hog. Russian Boar or Bear is another matter, but that's why you carry a pistol, no?
12/27/2011 10:31:11 AM
Originally Posted By hogan:
The best advice so far is "lift weights"....
No way to get lightweight in an AR-10 platform with a (loaded) 25rd mag or anything over a 10rd mag.
Weigh your ammo.
I do lift, run 2-3mi every morning, so the answer is not "lift weights" The best advice so far is "lift weights"....
No way to get lightweight in an AR-10 platform with a (loaded) 25rd mag or anything over a 10rd mag.
Weigh your ammo.
I actually have a "LW" gun, a midweight as well as the HB target guns. I can tell you the LW kicks ass. My (and most) definition of lightweight is per class of weapon, i.e. a 8 lb AR10 is a LW rifle where a 8lb AR15 is not LW.
Lightning a rifle/carbine makes a ton of difference in handling. Its not just about a lighter gun because one cannot lift it. Its about maximizing the platform. Many like the 308 round and need it.
IMO its better to lighten a AR10 to keep all the 308 qualities than it is trying to fill the gap with a AR15 in 5.56 or even one of the wildcats.
Find me a AR15 that will do the same as my AR10 with 155 Amax's or True AP rounds(that I can actually get) Then we will talk
8lb 3 oz
12/27/2011 12:22:29 PM
Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:
IMO its better to lighten a AR10 to keep all the 308 qualities than it is trying to fill the gap with a AR15 in 5.56 or even one of the wildcats.
IMO its better to lighten a AR10 to keep all the 308 qualities than it is trying to fill the gap with a AR15 in 5.56 or even one of the wildcats.
THIS^
If I had the money to reconfigure my AR10T and make it as light or as close to my AR15 I would drop all my AR15's and stick with the AR10...
12/28/2011 11:24:03 AM
12/29/2011 4:51:03 AM
Pencil thin barrel Under that float tube? 8lbs w/o magazine??? Just weighed a gen 2 mag w/17rds of 168gr; just under 18oz...
So, you got a 9.5lb gun loaded. Guess you coulda shaved a few more ozs by running a Docter optic; but could ya see it?
What is the point of an 800+ yd weapon with a sight that ain't precise much past 150yds? Go with an A2 and at least you have
capability out to near the rounds useful range.
You can mount an A2 stock and save weight over an M4 collapsible. There is just no way to get "lightweight" in AR-10 land and
not handicap the rifle. An A2 with pencil barrel for a blaster is about at light as it goes. 16" carbine saves several ounces over the
20" rifle, but nothing too significant. Either will make 10.5lbs plus with a loaded magazine. If you are in flat-top configuration, you
have to add a scope. Don't forget a sling.
I have a hardtime seeing the versatility of the AR-10 shine without a heavier barrel. Gotta have the contour/weight to not walk the
point of impact when the barrel heats up. Maybe there are fiberwrap or other cutting edge thin contour barrels that don't walk. I don't
know of any. You don't want your shots to walk and you may as well go for a precision barrel if you're gonna be carrying the weight.
So... You are at 11.5 lbs w/o scope, maybe 11.25lbs. Add a scope to give you the 800/900 yards of coverage you need and you're
up over 13lbs.
Precision sniping machine at all distances with immediate follow-up and ability to fire 20 rds accurately w/o much change of aim within
under 3 minutes. Does that work? Maybe you carry a patrolling scope and a longrange scope?
If you aren't going to use the full range of the cartridge, the AR-15 has all the benefits you need. Rifle shooting is not FBI statistic
reported. Average range of pistol action is 7 feet. What is it for a rifle engagement? Forget VietNam and jungle ambushes.
Hunting is one thing; it's the taking of game or dispatch of vermin. A good hit on a vermin is all you need. A raccoon that's gutshot with
a .22lr won't raid the chickenhouse again, even if it gets away. A deer or other edible game animal, a trophy; these you want to recover
and doing so means anchoring them. An enemy opponent just needs to be tagged in the torso. Think a 77gr .224 in the chest isn't
gonna cause a major timeout?
Lots of benefits to the AR-15, but the AR-10 does what it cannot at longrange. The .223 will shoot the distance, but not w/5o tricks and
enablement. A lightweight AR-10 is compromised by lesser weight efforts the same way a 13lb AR-15 service rifle is by the added weight
used mainly to steady the gun and prevent hop and bounce. Of course, you can put that match barrel in a lightweight float tube and shoot
600yds just fine if shooting from a rested position.
So, you got a 9.5lb gun loaded. Guess you coulda shaved a few more ozs by running a Docter optic; but could ya see it?
What is the point of an 800+ yd weapon with a sight that ain't precise much past 150yds? Go with an A2 and at least you have
capability out to near the rounds useful range.
You can mount an A2 stock and save weight over an M4 collapsible. There is just no way to get "lightweight" in AR-10 land and
not handicap the rifle. An A2 with pencil barrel for a blaster is about at light as it goes. 16" carbine saves several ounces over the
20" rifle, but nothing too significant. Either will make 10.5lbs plus with a loaded magazine. If you are in flat-top configuration, you
have to add a scope. Don't forget a sling.
I have a hardtime seeing the versatility of the AR-10 shine without a heavier barrel. Gotta have the contour/weight to not walk the
point of impact when the barrel heats up. Maybe there are fiberwrap or other cutting edge thin contour barrels that don't walk. I don't
know of any. You don't want your shots to walk and you may as well go for a precision barrel if you're gonna be carrying the weight.
So... You are at 11.5 lbs w/o scope, maybe 11.25lbs. Add a scope to give you the 800/900 yards of coverage you need and you're
up over 13lbs.
Precision sniping machine at all distances with immediate follow-up and ability to fire 20 rds accurately w/o much change of aim within
under 3 minutes. Does that work? Maybe you carry a patrolling scope and a longrange scope?
If you aren't going to use the full range of the cartridge, the AR-15 has all the benefits you need. Rifle shooting is not FBI statistic
reported. Average range of pistol action is 7 feet. What is it for a rifle engagement? Forget VietNam and jungle ambushes.
Hunting is one thing; it's the taking of game or dispatch of vermin. A good hit on a vermin is all you need. A raccoon that's gutshot with
a .22lr won't raid the chickenhouse again, even if it gets away. A deer or other edible game animal, a trophy; these you want to recover
and doing so means anchoring them. An enemy opponent just needs to be tagged in the torso. Think a 77gr .224 in the chest isn't
gonna cause a major timeout?
Lots of benefits to the AR-15, but the AR-10 does what it cannot at longrange. The .223 will shoot the distance, but not w/5o tricks and
enablement. A lightweight AR-10 is compromised by lesser weight efforts the same way a 13lb AR-15 service rifle is by the added weight
used mainly to steady the gun and prevent hop and bounce. Of course, you can put that match barrel in a lightweight float tube and shoot
600yds just fine if shooting from a rested position.
12/29/2011 5:32:02 AM
Originally Posted By jpIII:
Any one have suggestions on an AR10 build that comes in under 7 pounds without optics or loaded magazine?
I'd love pics if anyone has them.
I'm looking to build an AR10 for hog hunting. It will get carried for miles and ounces count.
Currently using either an 11-87p or AR15 in .556.
Any one have suggestions on an AR10 build that comes in under 7 pounds without optics or loaded magazine?
I'd love pics if anyone has them.
I'm looking to build an AR10 for hog hunting. It will get carried for miles and ounces count.
Currently using either an 11-87p or AR15 in .556.
6lb 10oz with open sights
12/29/2011 10:45:59 AM
Originally Posted By hogan:
Pencil thin barrel Under that float tube? 8lbs w/o magazine??? Just weighed a gen 2 mag w/17rds of 168gr; just under 18oz...
So, you got a 9.5lb gun loaded. Guess you coulda shaved a few more ozs by running a Docter optic; but could ya see it?
What is the point of an 800+ yd weapon with a sight that ain't precise much past 150yds? Go with an A2 and at least you have
capability out to near the rounds useful range. (really, you care to explain how a dot is more inaccurate than irons. So a useful range to you is 800yards?? Hunt dear on any of the isles in the SE AK, not many 200= yard shots to be had)
You can mount an A2 stock and save weight over an M4 collapsible. There is just no way to get "lightweight" in AR-10 land and
not handicap the rifle. (yeah there is see above)An A2 with pencil barrel for a blaster is about at light as it goes. 16" carbine saves several ounces over the 20" rifle, but nothing too significant. (its not just the length) Either will make 10.5lbs plus with a loaded magazine. If you are in flat-top configuration, you have to add a scope. Don't forget a sling. (Uh you can have BUIS that work as well as your A2 config)
I have a hardtime seeing the versatility of the AR-10 shine without a heavier barrel. (you havent' shot one have you or carried one) Gotta have the contour/weight to not walk the
point of impact when the barrel heats up.Maybe there are fiberwrap or other cutting edge thin contour barrels that don't walk. I don't
know of any. You don't want your shots to walk and you may as well go for a precision barrel if you're gonna be carrying the weight.
So... You are at 11.5 lbs w/o scope, maybe 11.25lbs. Add a scope to give you the 800/900 yards of coverage you need and you're
up over 13lbs. (800/900 yard coverage, okay rambo
Again this is not a target gun. Its a AP rifle. and your over exagerating the heating up and shots walking away-again have you shot a LW barrel- I bet you havent. My 16" gun shoots just as well as the 18/20 CL barreled rifles. Oh and what target do you plan on dumping a mag at, long range, that you need that few inches you "might" be giving up. The inaccuracies of a LW are greatly over exaggerated by mall ninjas that overheard a BR shoooter talking about his target barrel heating up and walking off .2 moa
Precision sniping machine (really??)at all distances with immediate follow-up and ability to fire 20 rds accurately w/o much change of aim within
under 3 minutes. Does that work? Maybe you carry a patrolling scope and a longrange scope?
If you aren't going to use the full range of the cartridge, the AR-15 has all the benefits you need. (so if I dont take 80-0 yard headshots, such as yourself, them I'm not using the cartridge the way it was intended) Rifle shooting is not FBI statistic
reported. Average range of pistol action is 7 feet. What is it for a rifle engagement? Forget VietNam and jungle ambushes.
Hunting is one thing; it's the taking of game or dispatch of vermin. A good hit on a vermin is all you need. A raccoon that's gutshot with
a .22lr won't raid the chickenhouse again, even if it gets away. A deer or other edible game animal, a trophy; these you want to recover
and doing so means anchoring them. An enemy opponent just needs to be tagged in the torso. Think a 77gr .224 in the chest isn't
gonna cause a major timeout?
Lots of benefits to the AR-15, but the AR-10 does what it cannot at longrange( and short range-see 155amax testing). The .223 will shoot the distance, but not w/5o tricks and
enablement. A lightweight AR-10 is compromised by lesser weight efforts the same way a 13lb AR-15 service rifle is by the added weight
used mainly to steady the gun and prevent hop and bounce. Of course, you can put that match barrel in a lightweight float tube and shoot
600yds just fine if shooting from a rested position.
Overall don't try a refute the usefulness of a AP rifle by trying to box it in to one scenario. The LW barrels heating up and walking off target are way over exaggerated and in some cases dont make a bit of difference. Its old WOMs like these that people pull out of their ass to dispute new ideas. A LW 7.62 rifle gives me more maneuverability, more optics choices and overall, a better platform to use in a wider range of scenarios. Pencil thin barrel Under that float tube? 8lbs w/o magazine??? Just weighed a gen 2 mag w/17rds of 168gr; just under 18oz...
So, you got a 9.5lb gun loaded. Guess you coulda shaved a few more ozs by running a Docter optic; but could ya see it?
What is the point of an 800+ yd weapon with a sight that ain't precise much past 150yds? Go with an A2 and at least you have
capability out to near the rounds useful range. (really, you care to explain how a dot is more inaccurate than irons. So a useful range to you is 800yards?? Hunt dear on any of the isles in the SE AK, not many 200= yard shots to be had)
You can mount an A2 stock and save weight over an M4 collapsible. There is just no way to get "lightweight" in AR-10 land and
not handicap the rifle. (yeah there is see above)An A2 with pencil barrel for a blaster is about at light as it goes. 16" carbine saves several ounces over the 20" rifle, but nothing too significant. (its not just the length) Either will make 10.5lbs plus with a loaded magazine. If you are in flat-top configuration, you have to add a scope. Don't forget a sling. (Uh you can have BUIS that work as well as your A2 config)
I have a hardtime seeing the versatility of the AR-10 shine without a heavier barrel. (you havent' shot one have you or carried one) Gotta have the contour/weight to not walk the
point of impact when the barrel heats up.Maybe there are fiberwrap or other cutting edge thin contour barrels that don't walk. I don't
know of any. You don't want your shots to walk and you may as well go for a precision barrel if you're gonna be carrying the weight.
So... You are at 11.5 lbs w/o scope, maybe 11.25lbs. Add a scope to give you the 800/900 yards of coverage you need and you're
up over 13lbs. (800/900 yard coverage, okay rambo
Again this is not a target gun. Its a AP rifle. and your over exagerating the heating up and shots walking away-again have you shot a LW barrel- I bet you havent. My 16" gun shoots just as well as the 18/20 CL barreled rifles. Oh and what target do you plan on dumping a mag at, long range, that you need that few inches you "might" be giving up. The inaccuracies of a LW are greatly over exaggerated by mall ninjas that overheard a BR shoooter talking about his target barrel heating up and walking off .2 moaPrecision sniping machine (really??)at all distances with immediate follow-up and ability to fire 20 rds accurately w/o much change of aim within
under 3 minutes. Does that work? Maybe you carry a patrolling scope and a longrange scope?
If you aren't going to use the full range of the cartridge, the AR-15 has all the benefits you need. (so if I dont take 80-0 yard headshots, such as yourself, them I'm not using the cartridge the way it was intended) Rifle shooting is not FBI statistic
reported. Average range of pistol action is 7 feet. What is it for a rifle engagement? Forget VietNam and jungle ambushes.
Hunting is one thing; it's the taking of game or dispatch of vermin. A good hit on a vermin is all you need. A raccoon that's gutshot with
a .22lr won't raid the chickenhouse again, even if it gets away. A deer or other edible game animal, a trophy; these you want to recover
and doing so means anchoring them. An enemy opponent just needs to be tagged in the torso. Think a 77gr .224 in the chest isn't
gonna cause a major timeout?
Lots of benefits to the AR-15, but the AR-10 does what it cannot at longrange( and short range-see 155amax testing). The .223 will shoot the distance, but not w/5o tricks and
enablement. A lightweight AR-10 is compromised by lesser weight efforts the same way a 13lb AR-15 service rifle is by the added weight
used mainly to steady the gun and prevent hop and bounce. Of course, you can put that match barrel in a lightweight float tube and shoot
600yds just fine if shooting from a rested position.
Finally If you look at the new 7.62 weapons systems, guess what they all have a LW option. The smart people have figured out that you dont need to be a paper puncher with .5moa groups to be effective or soem heat shot ninja to get the job done.
Lastly you seemed to be hung up on only the long range aspect of the platform while overlooking many of the benefits the cartridge provide. You dont need barrel length or weight to enable all the benifits of a 7.62 cartridge. To be honest, you sound like a M1A guy at the range that badmouths the AR10s becuase the "irons suck" and they are no good at long range, doesnt have enough wood just plastic junk but they have never shot one. Every time I challenge one of these yahoos to gong shots at 500, they are still trying to sling up to take shots while my 16" AR10 and acog have rounds on target. Even doing off hand shooting at closer ranges is a joke because most of the people carring the rifles cant hold them up long enough to get through 10 rounds.
12/29/2011 12:02:48 PM
Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:
The smart people have figured out that you dont need to be a paper puncher with .5moa groups to be effective or some heat shot ninja to get the job done.
The smart people have figured out that you dont need to be a paper puncher with .5moa groups to be effective or some heat shot ninja to get the job done.
Yup.. I have learned that if I can hit a man sized silhouette center of mass at 600 yards (that's the max at the range I go to) I am ok with that...some of the BR crowd at my range are looking for greater accuracy than I can shoot and my hats off to them.. I am content to be able to hit a man in the chest with my AR10 at 600 yards or more... I just bet he "might" fall down in areal world scenario.... But I am not a BR shooter...
Now there will be arguments from other crowds on have great shot groups sub MOA but for me I like the idea of an AP rifle that I can do "most" things with... My friggin AR10T I carried round hunting one year (and I am a guy that runs/rucks & does crossfit) that gun got to heavy to be comfortable...
Just my opinion...
12/29/2011 11:00:42 PM
I said this in another thread as a joke. Here, im being serious.
The AR-15 IS the lightweight AR-10. The AR-15 IS THE ANSWER to the weight problem all of you have. I have heard and read claims of people taking the Russian Reds here in Texas with 5,56 ammo.
I know alot of you people think having a "lightweight" AR-10 is the answer. But, its one of those solutions looking for a problem type of thing.
Yall claim to be lifting weight, but I dont think you are. If you bitch about carrying a 10lb rifle for a few hours while hunting, I dont think you are lifting enough. You dont have to be a muscle head or Arnold, just be fit and tough. I dont even exercise as much as I should, I certainly dont run 2-3 miles everyday and if I did, there would be no reason to bitch and moan.
The "idea" of a lightweight AR-10 is great, I just dont think you are getting any lighter than 8lbs unloaded without the introduction of new barrel material. If 10lbs is too much, or not light enough, you are kinda wimpy. Not trying to be a dick, just being honest. Try saving weight on your other gear, most of us dont have a 100lb rucksack to lug around. So, dont bring so much junk with you on your hunts, and the 10lb rifle wouldnt be so bad.
Or, continue to save ounces and grams, all for the sake of being lazy.
Thats just my opinion though.
The AR-15 IS the lightweight AR-10. The AR-15 IS THE ANSWER to the weight problem all of you have. I have heard and read claims of people taking the Russian Reds here in Texas with 5,56 ammo.
I know alot of you people think having a "lightweight" AR-10 is the answer. But, its one of those solutions looking for a problem type of thing.
Yall claim to be lifting weight, but I dont think you are. If you bitch about carrying a 10lb rifle for a few hours while hunting, I dont think you are lifting enough. You dont have to be a muscle head or Arnold, just be fit and tough. I dont even exercise as much as I should, I certainly dont run 2-3 miles everyday and if I did, there would be no reason to bitch and moan.
The "idea" of a lightweight AR-10 is great, I just dont think you are getting any lighter than 8lbs unloaded without the introduction of new barrel material. If 10lbs is too much, or not light enough, you are kinda wimpy. Not trying to be a dick, just being honest. Try saving weight on your other gear, most of us dont have a 100lb rucksack to lug around. So, dont bring so much junk with you on your hunts, and the 10lb rifle wouldnt be so bad.
Or, continue to save ounces and grams, all for the sake of being lazy.
Thats just my opinion though.
12/30/2011 8:01:06 AM
Originally Posted By crocodile427:
I said this in another thread as a joke. Here, im being serious.
The AR-15 IS the lightweight AR-10. The AR-15 IS THE ANSWER to the weight problem all of you have. I have heard and read claims of people taking the Russian Reds here in Texas with 5,56 ammo.
I said this in another thread as a joke. Here, im being serious.
The AR-15 IS the lightweight AR-10. The AR-15 IS THE ANSWER to the weight problem all of you have. I have heard and read claims of people taking the Russian Reds here in Texas with 5,56 ammo.
No one said just taking hogs
Stop trying to refute a GP item with one specific argument- It will never work. From your description of being "weak" I now understand you were never in the mil (or REMF only) and don't understand anything about human performance or conditioning. You and the other he-men of Arf have totally missed the boat as usual. It is not about not being able to carry a fucking rifle around for a couple hours. If that is what you though then your comprehension skills are serious lacking. Do you honestly think that was this thread is about. I have slogged a 300 RUM through the musk egg and swamps of AK for many a mile, where most fat ass blind-only lower 48 hunters would not make it 50 yards past the float plane. It is not just about the weight or being lazy. The point being I can carry a 12 lb rifle, and a pack but If I get the same performance (or close enough it doesn't matter) with a lighter rifle/gear, then I will have more capability/performance available on the back end.
Ever ruck a pack farther than from the bench and truck? From your "rebuttle" I will take it as a "no." Any swinging dick that has ever been in the mil knows that lighter is better with the same performance, period dot. I guess socom is wrong to go with the lighter SCAR, but Im sure they are all pussies as well so it makes sense
.It must be as nice as you to be able to carry a rifle all day and be unaffected in anyway . I would love to be immune to physics, but alas I'm not. I have to cheat it at every turn to get performance over a longer time period than your 2hr hunting tours
Even if it wasn't about maximizing human performance, a 8lb gun would allow me to carry 2-4 mags more than a normal rifle. Imagine all that ammo in a gunfight, does that not appeal to the Rambos of arf?
12/30/2011 8:38:46 AM
Kind of like the old saying goes: "to each his own".
There is no right or wrong here. No such thing as a wrong
or right way to setup a rifle. There are, however, more and
less practical ways to setup a rifle. But shaving some weight
from almost any rifle, as long as it doesn't affect performance,
is always practical to me. I have two carbines, a scoped T and
the regular A4 with reddot and Magpul stuff pictured earlier in
this thread and when I go out to my land in the country I almost
always grab the lighter reddot-Magpul carbine.
It's great to have opinions about things, but just because you believe
it doesn't mean it's correct or true.
ARKAR
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There is no right or wrong here. No such thing as a wrong
or right way to setup a rifle. There are, however, more and
less practical ways to setup a rifle. But shaving some weight
from almost any rifle, as long as it doesn't affect performance,
is always practical to me. I have two carbines, a scoped T and
the regular A4 with reddot and Magpul stuff pictured earlier in
this thread and when I go out to my land in the country I almost
always grab the lighter reddot-Magpul carbine.
It's great to have opinions about things, but just because you believe
it doesn't mean it's correct or true.
ARKAR
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile
12/30/2011 9:19:10 AM
I understand your point, TaylorWSO. I only mentioned the boars because someone else mentioned it, and most arfcom'ers are not ex military. I am not, the Military does not like people like me. For a "fighting" weapon, lighter is certainly better, because you will be carrying that weapon for DAYS, not hours.
A couple hours on a hunt, NOT in a blind, is not enough justification, FOR ME, to have a much lighter rifle. I have gone on hunts in Texas through swamps and heavy brush, definitely not like Alaska, but I would do it up there to. Im not HeMan, but Im not a cry baby either. Im no special forces guy or anything, but I have met plenty of pussies that were fresh out of the Marines, no offense, just saying everyone out of the military are not bad asses.
I know enough about conditioning and the human body. There is far more you are able to do with your will power alone than with muscles or conditioning. Im not doubting you points at all, as always, you make very good arguments with little to no room for rebuttal. You dont have to be in the military to know and understand fighting weapons. Its just you ".mil" buttheads that think you HAVE to be ex military to have any kind of credibility.
I have not had the pleasure of hunting in AK yet, but I would do it in a heart beat and not bitch about anything unless I didnt get to shoot something.
I never said Im not affected by carrying my rifle for hours, Im not immune to physics, now thats just being a small dick. Sure, my arms and shoulders get tired, and I love it when I finally get to put my rifle down, but that feeling at the end of the trek, is what I like most. I love the feeling after a hard workout, or a hard day's work. It makes you feel good.
You are right, I was under the impression the OP was wanting a hunting rifle, after all, that is what the OP was about. A Hog rifle.
Not everyone on arf is an internet Rambo. Neither Sly nor Arnold has ever carried an AR-10 in any of there movies, so they are pussies too.
Im not trying to argue your points, you make good ones. Im just trying to further explain my point because you seem to have been offended or took it wrong. I have grown up being told not to complain, to deal with it. So thats usually my advice, build a bridge. So for me, a lighter rifle is not "needed" but would certainly be appreciated.
But again, the AR-15 is your answer OP, it was the military's answer to the M14 and has worked out great for the past 40+ years.They had to accommodate all the babies who could not lug the M14 around or handle its recoil
A couple hours on a hunt, NOT in a blind, is not enough justification, FOR ME, to have a much lighter rifle. I have gone on hunts in Texas through swamps and heavy brush, definitely not like Alaska, but I would do it up there to. Im not HeMan, but Im not a cry baby either. Im no special forces guy or anything, but I have met plenty of pussies that were fresh out of the Marines, no offense, just saying everyone out of the military are not bad asses.
I know enough about conditioning and the human body. There is far more you are able to do with your will power alone than with muscles or conditioning. Im not doubting you points at all, as always, you make very good arguments with little to no room for rebuttal. You dont have to be in the military to know and understand fighting weapons. Its just you ".mil" buttheads that think you HAVE to be ex military to have any kind of credibility.
I have not had the pleasure of hunting in AK yet, but I would do it in a heart beat and not bitch about anything unless I didnt get to shoot something.
I never said Im not affected by carrying my rifle for hours, Im not immune to physics, now thats just being a small dick. Sure, my arms and shoulders get tired, and I love it when I finally get to put my rifle down, but that feeling at the end of the trek, is what I like most. I love the feeling after a hard workout, or a hard day's work. It makes you feel good.
You are right, I was under the impression the OP was wanting a hunting rifle, after all, that is what the OP was about. A Hog rifle.
Not everyone on arf is an internet Rambo. Neither Sly nor Arnold has ever carried an AR-10 in any of there movies, so they are pussies too.
Im not trying to argue your points, you make good ones. Im just trying to further explain my point because you seem to have been offended or took it wrong. I have grown up being told not to complain, to deal with it. So thats usually my advice, build a bridge. So for me, a lighter rifle is not "needed" but would certainly be appreciated.
But again, the AR-15 is your answer OP, it was the military's answer to the M14 and has worked out great for the past 40+ years.They had to accommodate all the babies who could not lug the M14 around or handle its recoil
12/30/2011 9:29:47 AM
I find this all so funny because it is based on perspective...
Now most weapons are not that heavy but IT DOES NOT have to be days for it to get heavy... A SAW, a 240B gets heavy after a short amount of time, but in reality (at least for me) it's was easier to tote around the SAW with a few nut sacks for hours then it was to carry around my AR10T for the same amount of time because the 10T was awkward for me, I have since had Clint cut the barrel to 18 and I put a CTR stock on it making it a little more manageable, but the first time I handle a SCAR I thought I have to get one of these because they way it carried......
For me I am considering parting my AR10 and saving to get a LaRue OBR in 16 inch.. unless someone wants to swap there lighter upper for my AR10T (18") upper
But in the end this is about opinions we just must be careful when we throw our opinions around about others and assumptions on someones intent... Dang I sound so PC these days....
Now most weapons are not that heavy but IT DOES NOT have to be days for it to get heavy... A SAW, a 240B gets heavy after a short amount of time, but in reality (at least for me) it's was easier to tote around the SAW with a few nut sacks for hours then it was to carry around my AR10T for the same amount of time because the 10T was awkward for me, I have since had Clint cut the barrel to 18 and I put a CTR stock on it making it a little more manageable, but the first time I handle a SCAR I thought I have to get one of these because they way it carried......
For me I am considering parting my AR10 and saving to get a LaRue OBR in 16 inch.. unless someone wants to swap there lighter upper for my AR10T (18") upper
But in the end this is about opinions we just must be careful when we throw our opinions around about others and assumptions on someones intent... Dang I sound so PC these days....
12/30/2011 9:36:47 AM
Originally Posted By testedone:
But in the end this is about opinions we just must be careful when we throw our opinions around about others and assumptions on someones intent... Dang I sound so PC these days....
But in the end this is about opinions we just must be careful when we throw our opinions around about others and assumptions on someones intent... Dang I sound so PC these days....
Sticks and stones dammit, sticks and stones. People need to toughen up and not be so sensitive. But you are right, people get easily offended by the smallest of stuff. I know, because I offended alot of people too easily. Even more so when I tell them to simply get over it. But, Im an asshole and have to keep my reputation up.
12/30/2011 10:52:17 AM
Originally Posted By testedone:
...because they way it carried......
...because they way it carried......
I would like to weigh in on this point. Pun intended!
As was eluded to before, the way a gun is carried seems to have more of an influence on "perceived" weight.
Much like the type of action (semi vs. bolt - weight being equal) has on perceived recoil.
OP - have you looked at your carry/sling system to see if that will help redistribute your rifle's weight in a more likeable way?
12/30/2011 8:48:14 PM
OP, have you looked at JP's lightweight BCG for .308 ARs? They say it will work with the Armalite if you use JP's BCG in its entirety, it will not work with Armalite bolt or firing pin. They do not post a weight for it. My BCG weighs 17-1/2 oz. If they could knock say 6 oz. off that and fluting or a thin barrel took another 8 or 9, then you've shaved 3/4 - 7/8 of a pound off your rifle. My carbine with Magpul furnature, A2 stock a stainless Hbar profile barrel, an Eotech and spare batteries in the grip weighs an even 9 pounds, so the above mods would get me close to 8 pounds. That's not exactly a mountain rifle but it's an improvement. A lighter BCG would probably require an adjustable gas block and they've got you covered there to. Get rid of the muzzle devise, and add one of SWS's light free float handguards and you could shave a little more off. It won't bee cheap but you're talking about a performance machine and they're never cheap! I also remember talk of a carbon fiber wrapped AR-10 barrel and even went to their site but do not remember the name. I do remember that the price was breathtaking though! 
Just my $.02.
Just my $.02.1/1/2012 9:21:50 AM
Originally Posted By crocodile427:
Im just trying to further explain my point because you seem to have been offended or took it wrong. I have grown up being told not to complain, to deal with it. So thats usually my advice, build a bridge. So for me, a lighter rifle is not "needed" but would certainly be appreciated.
Im just trying to further explain my point because you seem to have been offended or took it wrong. I have grown up being told not to complain, to deal with it. So thats usually my advice, build a bridge. So for me, a lighter rifle is not "needed" but would certainly be appreciated.
You're not offending me. I wanted to point out that the definition of the "light" was in question in this entire thread, and the the subjective view of "weakness" does not apply. Weak or strong, a lighter rifle is beneficial (to all) at the end of the day of carrying it. Some people don't need it or care to have it, and that's fine.
This is what I was trying to say and trying to be somewhat objective with my description
Originally Posted By testedone:
I find this all so funny because it is based on perspective...
But in the end this is about opinions we just must be careful when we throw our opinions around about others and assumptions on someones intent... Dang I sound so PC these days....
I find this all so funny because it is based on perspective...
But in the end this is about opinions we just must be careful when we throw our opinions around about others and assumptions on someones intent... Dang I sound so PC these days....
Bottom line people automatically assume there is something wrong with a LW rifle becuase its different. Ie the "toy gun" from Vietnam. Im trying to sing the praises of it to as many as possible becuase I have seen the light
1/10/2012 5:48:05 AM
Here is a lightweight 308 AR from the EE. Guy lists it at 7.2 lbs. By the description the most weight came from turning down and shortening the barrel. I'm sure the handguard helped a little but the rest of it is close to stock.
1/12/2012 1:33:03 PM
OK,
Normally, I don't comment on this sort of thing, but for some reason I'm feelin froggy today. You don't think your 10-12 lb rifle is heavy? Go carry it low ready for a few hours. I spent 4 combat deployments as an infantryman doing just that with what some of you are calling a "lighter" M4. Bull*%$# it's light. And the AR-10s are even beefier. It makes a helluva lot of sense to make a lightweight rifle, regardless of what model or caliber it is. The AR world in general has picked up enough weight in heavier barrels and accessories that most ARs anymore don't have the biggest advantage of the system; lighter weight. Lighter weight means you will be faster on target, if you know what you're doing. Don't think it makes that much of a difference? Pick up your M4 clone and shoulder it, then pick up an M16A1 (with a 20" barrel) clone and shoulder it. If you can't feel the difference, you're doing it wrong.
Rant off
OK, so back to our regularly scheduled program. What diameter are you guys with "super light" profile barrels, getting your barrels turned down to? Light weight on a .223 barrel is something like .625. So what is it on a .308?
Normally, I don't comment on this sort of thing, but for some reason I'm feelin froggy today. You don't think your 10-12 lb rifle is heavy? Go carry it low ready for a few hours. I spent 4 combat deployments as an infantryman doing just that with what some of you are calling a "lighter" M4. Bull*%$# it's light. And the AR-10s are even beefier. It makes a helluva lot of sense to make a lightweight rifle, regardless of what model or caliber it is. The AR world in general has picked up enough weight in heavier barrels and accessories that most ARs anymore don't have the biggest advantage of the system; lighter weight. Lighter weight means you will be faster on target, if you know what you're doing. Don't think it makes that much of a difference? Pick up your M4 clone and shoulder it, then pick up an M16A1 (with a 20" barrel) clone and shoulder it. If you can't feel the difference, you're doing it wrong.
Rant off
OK, so back to our regularly scheduled program. What diameter are you guys with "super light" profile barrels, getting your barrels turned down to? Light weight on a .223 barrel is something like .625. So what is it on a .308?
