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JTR8541  [Member]
10/9/2003 12:26:43 AM
I’m trying to learn about the AR-10 and must say you folks have helped me out a great deal. Thanks.

On a different post Skammy referred me to some technical notes on biggerhammer.net there they mentioned the following:


Magazine conversion kits allow a customer to convert all metal M14/M1A magazines and metric FAL magazines to AR-10B series magazines.


I didn’t know FAL mags could be used for conversion. Is this conversion to only the B series rifle or can FAL mags be used in the (T), A2 and A4 series rifles too.

Does anybody have any thoughts, opinions, or experience about converting or using converted FAL mags?

Thanks again.

Best regards, J
Kaliburz  [Team Member]
10/9/2003 12:56:17 AM
Mmm....metric FAL. First time I've heard this... I've converted some M1A/M14 mags myself. It's a matter of cutting the notch and mag hole.
ArmaLiteSales  [Member]
10/9/2003 11:00:22 AM
We are not able to use the FAL magazines for conversion. Originally we had planned to, however changes in BATF regulation will no longer allow it. The new regulations state that converted or modified mags must be able to function in [i]both[/i] rifles for the conversion to be legal. When the FAL mags are converted to AR-10 use, this is not possible. ArmaLite Sales
LARRYG  [Team Member]
10/27/2003 6:50:26 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By JTR8541: I’m trying to learn about the AR-10 and must say you folks have helped me out a great deal. Thanks. On a different post [b]Skammy[/b] referred me to some technical notes on [url=http://www.biggerhammer.net/stoner/sr25var10/ar10vsr25.html]biggerhammer.net[/url] there they mentioned the following: [quote]Magazine conversion kits allow a customer to convert all metal M14/M1A magazines and metric FAL magazines to AR-10B series magazines.[/quote] I didn’t know FAL mags could be used for conversion. Is this conversion to only the [b]B[/b] series rifle or can FAL mags be used in the [b](T)[/b], [b]A2[/b] and [b]A4[/b] series rifles too. Does anybody have any thoughts, opinions, or experience about converting or using converted FAL mags? Thanks again. Best regards, J [/quote] Just so you will know, when they refer to the AR10B series, that covers the A2, A4, and T models as well as the B models. The entire new line is referred to as the B series.
Rossi  [Member]
10/27/2003 9:27:52 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By ArmaLiteSales: We are not able to use the FAL magazines for conversion. Originally we had planned to, however changes in BATF regulation will no longer allow it. The new regulations state that converted or modified mags must be able to function in [i]both[/i] rifles for the conversion to be legal. When the FAL mags are converted to AR-10 use, this is not possible. ArmaLite Sales[/quote] That's really amazing. Is there any rational reason for that requsite or some bureaucrat just tossed that up?
Kaliburz  [Team Member]
10/28/2003 2:52:17 AM
[quote]Originally Posted By Rossi: [quote]Originally Posted By ArmaLiteSales: We are not able to use the FAL magazines for conversion. Originally we had planned to, however changes in BATF regulation will no longer allow it. The new regulations state that converted or modified mags must be able to function in [i]both[/i] rifles for the conversion to be legal. When the FAL mags are converted to AR-10 use, this is not possible. ArmaLite Sales[/quote] That's really amazing. Is there any rational reason for that requsite or some bureaucrat just tossed that up? [/quote] IIRC, it wasn't written in the law, but a BATF "ruling". The argument can go both ways.... it is a pre ban mag, so one could do what they want with it, but making it fit something that it never did and not work in the original gun..... I don't know. I guess the feds didn't like the idea "we" found a loop hole.
buzzworm  [Member]
10/28/2003 7:57:23 AM
If a pre ban mag for one rifle was modified to fit another, but no longer works in the original, it is considered a new manufacture. That is why the M-14 mag still has part of the block on the back so it will still work in it's original design. Armalite told me on the phone one day that the FAL mag would not fit in the magwell with the tab on the back. I was wondering is a machinist could mill a grove into the mag well to accomidate for that, so the mag would still work on the FAL.Don't know if the angle would be right, but would solve the tab problem. BW
Corvus  [Team Member]
10/28/2003 9:10:05 AM
[quote]Originally Posted By buzzworm: If a pre ban mag for one rifle was modified to fit another, but no longer works in the original, it is considered a new manufacture. That is why the M-14 mag still has part of the block on the back so it will still work in it's original design. Armalite told me on the phone one day that the FAL mag would not fit in the magwell with the tab on the back. I was wondering is a machinist could mill a grove into the mag well to accomidate for that, so the mag would still work on the FAL.Don't know if the angle would be right, but would solve the tab problem. BW[/quote] This kind of bureaucratic bullshit really pisses me off. So, in order for the FAL mags to fit, Armalite had to put on a small tab on the back of the mag, which makes it not fit in a FAL. Anyone ever see the Oly Arms/Daphon AR 9mm mags? They have this huge piece of steel tubing welded on the back, and ATF had NEVER balked about that. Apparently ATF's logic regarding the Oly mags is that if the tube is ground off, it will fit the original STEN gun. So, why is this same logic not also applied by ATF to the tab on Armalite's conversion of FAL mags? Once again, the bureaucratic wheels turn unequally for all. [soapbox]
Kaliburz  [Team Member]
10/28/2003 2:28:46 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By Corvus: [quote]Originally Posted By buzzworm: If a pre ban mag for one rifle was modified to fit another, but no longer works in the original, it is considered a new manufacture. That is why the M-14 mag still has part of the block on the back so it will still work in it's original design. Armalite told me on the phone one day that the FAL mag would not fit in the magwell with the tab on the back. I was wondering is a machinist could mill a grove into the mag well to accomidate for that, so the mag would still work on the FAL.Don't know if the angle would be right, but would solve the tab problem. BW[/quote] This kind of bureaucratic bullshit really pisses me off. So, in order for the FAL mags to fit, Armalite had to put on a small tab on the back of the mag, which makes it not fit in a FAL. Anyone ever see the Oly Arms/Daphon AR 9mm mags? They have this huge piece of steel tubing welded on the back, and ATF had NEVER balked about that. Apparently ATF's logic regarding the Oly mags is that if the tube is ground off, it will fit the original STEN gun. So, why is this same logic not also applied by ATF to the tab on Armalite's conversion of FAL mags? Once again, the bureaucratic wheels turn unequally for all. [soapbox] [/quote] [:O]That's it?! [:O] Just a dinky little tab is needed. [:O] (Sigh) [:(!] You're right Corvus. Oly does that to Sten mags, yet is okay. But can't do a small mod to FAL mags. And if we "complain" that it's not an even/fair application of rulings, then they'll probably say the Oly is no good too. And then everyone will be mad. I'm guessing they are looking at which are less evil, lacking a better choice of words. A 9mm is fairly short range while a 308 is long range. Can't have hi cap long range semi auto weopons so can we......
Corvus  [Team Member]
10/29/2003 1:26:54 PM
[quote]Originally Posted By Kaliburz: I'm guessing they are looking at which are less evil, lacking a better choice of words. A 9mm is fairly short range while a 308 is long range. Can't have hi cap long range semi auto weopons so can we......[/quote] Might also be the particular regional office involved. Perhaps the WA area ATF office has some easier-going people in it, who (correctly)realize that some pipe on a STEN mag is no big deal. That being the case, it comes as no surprise that the IL area office would have big-time anal-retentive people in it, who freak over a little tab. [;D]
Kaliburz  [Team Member]
10/29/2003 10:04:18 PM
It might also relate to when the mag was submitted. The Oly Sten mod was probably made long time ago, when a different person/people/director were in the Technical branch. Now, it's a whole different set of people/direictor....
Don_Greenfield  [Member]
10/31/2003 8:16:55 PM
I'm saving my money for an AR-10, but the price of the mags scare me just a bit. Assuming that the AWB isn't replaced by something worse, how bif of a PITA would it be to convert HK-91 mags to work in the AR-15? It breaks my heart to see all these mags going for a couple bucks and not have an excuse to buy them.