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labatt  [Member]
6/4/2012 3:03:49 PM EST
A guy says he has a colt carry handle for sale, but how can I tell if it is or is not? The price is $60.00 and I don't want to pay that for a NON Colt. Is there any way to know for sure. It has a keyhole 1 forge mark. TIA
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Postal0311  [Life Member]
6/4/2012 3:10:07 PM EST
Your not going to be able to tell.
H53EXPERT  [Member]
6/4/2012 3:11:31 PM EST
In my experience. Nope. Matter of fact, when I finally bought a new Colt that came with a carry handle I was surprised as how crappy it looked compared to the others I have gotten with other rifles. The only thing I can say it that my Colt handle and the other two Colts I have looked at today have the square forge mark. Not saying they all do, but that is just what I saw today.
GHPorter  [Team Member]
6/4/2012 3:52:03 PM EST
The square forge mark indicates that the raw forging was made by BAFE (Brass Aluminum Forging Enterprises) of Ferndale, MI. That is all it says. colt uses many forges, and often (though not anything like every time) they have a "C" included with the forge's mark. My Colt handle is made with quality parts and is solid and reliable. That's about all you can depend on. If you pay a premium for a Colt part, trust the people you're buying from. If you don't, don't buy.
labatt  [Member]
6/4/2012 5:51:11 PM EST
Has anyone ever weighed their detachable colt carry handle? I did a search and could only get one hit where they said it weighed 9.25 oz. Could someone please verify this?
RANDOMS  [Member]
6/4/2012 6:06:50 PM EST
Originally Posted By labatt:
A guy says he has a colt carry handle for sale, but how can I tell if it is or is not? The price is $60.00 and I don't want to pay that for a NON Colt. Is there any way to know for sure. It has a keyhole 1 forge mark. TIA


Colt Uppers and detachable handles all have a C on the rear right hand side just in front of the a2 sight tower (or just below where that would be on a flat top) mine has the C above an MC
hope this helps

-RANDOMS-

Engel12626  [Member]
6/4/2012 11:58:14 PM EST
$60 isn't too bad of a price even if it's not a Colt carry handle. Just look at the prices of brand new carry handles from BCM or Spikes (just the first two places off the top of my head that sell them). When they charge $100-$120 for a new one, $60 is a bargain.
H53EXPERT  [Member]
6/5/2012 12:18:50 AM EST
Originally Posted By RANDOMS:
Originally Posted By labatt:
A guy says he has a colt carry handle for sale, but how can I tell if it is or is not? The price is $60.00 and I don't want to pay that for a NON Colt. Is there any way to know for sure. It has a keyhole 1 forge mark. TIA


Colt Uppers and detachable handles all have a C on the rear right hand side just in front of the a2 sight tower (or just below where that would be on a flat top) mine has the C above an MC
hope this helps

-RANDOMS-



You are mistaken. They are not marked as such. You are confusing an A2 upper with a removable carry handle.
Augee  [Team Member]
6/5/2012 3:57:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By H53EXPERT:
Originally Posted By RANDOMS:
Originally Posted By labatt:
A guy says he has a colt carry handle for sale, but how can I tell if it is or is not? The price is $60.00 and I don't want to pay that for a NON Colt. Is there any way to know for sure. It has a keyhole 1 forge mark. TIA


Colt Uppers and detachable handles all have a C on the rear right hand side just in front of the a2 sight tower (or just below where that would be on a flat top) mine has the C above an MC
hope this helps

-RANDOMS-



You are mistaken. They are not marked as such. You are confusing an A2 upper with a removable carry handle.




This.

Really no way to tell.

~Augee
RANDOMS  [Member]
6/6/2012 5:00:34 AM EST
Originally Posted By Augee:
Originally Posted By H53EXPERT:
Originally Posted By RANDOMS:
Originally Posted By labatt:
A guy says he has a colt carry handle for sale, but how can I tell if it is or is not? The price is $60.00 and I don't want to pay that for a NON Colt. Is there any way to know for sure. It has a keyhole 1 forge mark. TIA


Colt Uppers and detachable handles all have a C on the rear right hand side just in front of the a2 sight tower (or just below where that would be on a flat top) mine has the C above an MC
hope this helps

-RANDOMS-



You are mistaken. They are not marked as such. You are confusing an A2 upper with a removable carry handle.




This.

Really no way to tell.

~Augee


actually I'm not ...

A (splintered) = Anchor Harvey Aluminum
AF = Alcoa Forge
C AF = Colt Alco Forge
C MB = Colt / Mueller Brass
Cardinal (stylized) = Cardinal Forge
CH = Colt Harvey Aluminum
CK = Colt / Kaiser Aluminum
Circle/Crooshairs w/"AR" = ArmaLite
CM = Colt / Martin Marietta
D (stylized) = Diemaco
DK = Diemaco / Kaiser Aluminum
E = Emco
EK = EMCO/Kaiser
E MB = EMCO/Mueller Brass
F keyhole = FNMI / Cerro Forge
FA = FNMI / Anchor Harvey
FK = FNMI / Kaiser Aluminum
FM = FN/Martin Marietta
FMB = FNMI / Mueller Brass
Keyhole = Cerro Forge
L = Lewis Machine & Tool
LK = LAR / Kaiser Aluminum
LM = LAR / Martin Marietta
M (under diamond) = Mueller Industries
PA = Capco / Anchor Harvey
PM = Capco / Martin Marietta

this list applies not only to uppers but to detatch handles, I suppose not all have the C as I stated, what I SHOULD have stated was all that are made EXCLUSIVELY for colt do, as in ...

C AF = Colt Alco Forge
C MB = Colt / Mueller Brass
CH = Colt Harvey Aluminum
CK = Colt / Kaiser Aluminum
CM = Colt / Martin Marietta

please hold the for when you have done more research

-RANDOMS-



H53EXPERT  [Member]
6/6/2012 5:09:24 AM EST
Originally Posted By RANDOMS:
Originally Posted By Augee:
Originally Posted By H53EXPERT:
Originally Posted By RANDOMS:
Originally Posted By labatt:
A guy says he has a colt carry handle for sale, but how can I tell if it is or is not? The price is $60.00 and I don't want to pay that for a NON Colt. Is there any way to know for sure. It has a keyhole 1 forge mark. TIA


Colt Uppers and detachable handles all have a C on the rear right hand side just in front of the a2 sight tower (or just below where that would be on a flat top) mine has the C above an MC
hope this helps

-RANDOMS-



You are mistaken. They are not marked as such. You are confusing an A2 upper with a removable carry handle.




This.

Really no way to tell.

~Augee


actually I'm not ...

A (splintered) = Anchor Harvey Aluminum
AF = Alcoa Forge
C AF = Colt Alco Forge
C MB = Colt / Mueller Brass
Cardinal (stylized) = Cardinal Forge
CH = Colt Harvey Aluminum
CK = Colt / Kaiser Aluminum
Circle/Crooshairs w/"AR" = ArmaLite
CM = Colt / Martin Marietta
D (stylized) = Diemaco
DK = Diemaco / Kaiser Aluminum
E = Emco
EK = EMCO/Kaiser
E MB = EMCO/Mueller Brass
F keyhole = FNMI / Cerro Forge
FA = FNMI / Anchor Harvey
FK = FNMI / Kaiser Aluminum
FM = FN/Martin Marietta
FMB = FNMI / Mueller Brass
Keyhole = Cerro Forge
L = Lewis Machine & Tool
LK = LAR / Kaiser Aluminum
LM = LAR / Martin Marietta
M (under diamond) = Mueller Industries
PA = Capco / Anchor Harvey
PM = Capco / Martin Marietta

-RANDOMS-





Nobody is disputing those codes. Your problem is that none of those codes are placed on removable carry handles in such a manner that you can tie them back to COLT. Even if you can show us a picture of a removable Colt carry handle with a Colt identifying mark, there are hundreds of us that can show you a factory Colt carry handle that doesn't have those marks. That makes your original statement false. Do you get it now?
RANDOMS  [Member]
6/6/2012 5:12:47 AM EST
this list applies not only to uppers but to detatch handles, I suppose not all have the C as I stated, what I SHOULD have stated was all that are made EXCLUSIVELY for colt do, as in ...

C AF = Colt Alco Forge
C MB = Colt / Mueller Brass
CH = Colt Harvey Aluminum
CK = Colt / Kaiser Aluminum
CM = Colt / Martin Marietta

-RANDOMS-
ledesma132000  [Member]
6/6/2012 5:16:51 AM EST
Just checked my Colt carry handle and there is nothing but the forge mark.
H53EXPERT  [Member]
6/6/2012 5:18:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By RANDOMS:
this list applies not only to uppers but to detatch handles, I suppose not all have the C as I stated, what I SHOULD have stated was all that are made EXCLUSIVELY for colt do, as in ...

C AF = Colt Alco Forge
C MB = Colt / Mueller Brass
CH = Colt Harvey Aluminum
CK = Colt / Kaiser Aluminum
CM = Colt / Martin Marietta

-RANDOMS-


Your problem is that we have never seen those codes on any carry handles. Is it really that hard to understand? All of the Colt removable carry handles I have ever seen were square forge marked, and the square forge mark is not exclusive to Colt. Other people have had square forge marked ones on other makes of rifle. NOW, do.....you....get....it...?
RANDOMS  [Member]
6/6/2012 5:26:19 AM EST
Originally Posted By H53EXPERT:
Originally Posted By RANDOMS:
this list applies not only to uppers but to detatch handles, I suppose not all have the C as I stated, what I SHOULD have stated was all that are made EXCLUSIVELY for colt do, as in ...

C AF = Colt Alco Forge
C MB = Colt / Mueller Brass
CH = Colt Harvey Aluminum
CK = Colt / Kaiser Aluminum
CM = Colt / Martin Marietta

-RANDOMS-


Your problem is that we have never seen those codes on any carry handles. Is it really that hard to understand? All of the Colt removable carry handles I have ever seen were square forge marked, and the square forge mark is not exclusive to Colt. Other people have had square forge marked ones on other makes of rifle. NOW, do.....you....get....it...?


Brother, why the attitude? that list is accurate ... I corrected myself, and it stands ... just cause yours wasn't made EXCLUSIVELY for Colt don't mean it isn't a Colt. why the hate

-RANDOMS-


H53EXPERT  [Member]
6/6/2012 5:32:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By RANDOMS:
Originally Posted By H53EXPERT:
Originally Posted By RANDOMS:
this list applies not only to uppers but to detatch handles, I suppose not all have the C as I stated, what I SHOULD have stated was all that are made EXCLUSIVELY for colt do, as in ...

C AF = Colt Alco Forge
C MB = Colt / Mueller Brass
CH = Colt Harvey Aluminum
CK = Colt / Kaiser Aluminum
CM = Colt / Martin Marietta

-RANDOMS-


Your problem is that we have never seen those codes on any carry handles. Is it really that hard to understand? All of the Colt removable carry handles I have ever seen were square forge marked, and the square forge mark is not exclusive to Colt. Other people have had square forge marked ones on other makes of rifle. NOW, do.....you....get....it...?


Brother, why the attitude? that list is accurate ... I corrected myself, and it stands ... just cause yours wasn't made EXCLUSIVELY for Colt don't mean it isn't a Colt. why the hate

-RANDOMS-





There is no attitude and no hate. You keep saying the same thing over and over again, and you are still wrong. You keep saying the codes apply to the removable carry handles and they don't. The only codes a removable carry handle has is a forge mark, and some don't even have that. Those codes you have listed, even when you whittled the list down, do not apply to carry handles. They don't put them on carry handles that any of us are aware of. You are the only one that continues claiming that they do.
Jetlag  [Life Member]
6/6/2012 6:26:22 AM EST
I think the sight height is different, like the famous F-marked FSBs. That's not definitive, but it narrows it down.
Augee  [Team Member]
6/6/2012 6:50:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By H53EXPERT:
Originally Posted By RANDOMS:
this list applies not only to uppers but to detatch handles, I suppose not all have the C as I stated, what I SHOULD have stated was all that are made EXCLUSIVELY for colt do, as in ...

C AF = Colt Alco Forge
C MB = Colt / Mueller Brass
CH = Colt Harvey Aluminum
CK = Colt / Kaiser Aluminum
CM = Colt / Martin Marietta

-RANDOMS-


Your problem is that we have never seen those codes on any carry handles. Is it really that hard to understand? All of the Colt removable carry handles I have ever seen were square forge marked, and the square forge mark is not exclusive to Colt. Other people have had square forge marked ones on other makes of rifle. NOW, do.....you....get....it...?


I have neither seen, nor heard of any Colt detachable carry handles that are marked with either a raised or stamped "C."

I have un-boxed NIW Colt RO920 USGI M4 Carbines and removed the carry handles to install BUIS, as well as numerous Colt commercial models ranging from MT6731s to LE6921s both personally, and while working at a gun shop, and still never seen one marked as such.

I own and have owned several that I know for a fact to be of Colt manufacture because I took them off of NIW rifles personally, and none have them.

Others have researched this as well and asked Colt directly - no one has produced a photo, or even anecdote about one that is so marked, and Colt denies that they mark them with a "C."

Unless you have such documentary evidence, you are speaking with authority that you do not have and stating incorrect information, in bold for whatever reason, and insisting upon the fact that you are correct and accusing others of failing to do research.

A previous thread from the Colt forum regarding detachable carry handle markings

One would think that if Colt carry handles were marked with a "C," the Colt CS guy would have had a much easier time, no? "Is it marked with a "C?" "No." "Then it's not ours." No reason for a two page thread and detail photo examination.

~Augee
flynlr  [Team Member]
6/10/2012 6:42:40 PM EST
I know this one came off a colt 6920
dont see any C there.
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maleante  [Team Member]
6/10/2012 7:30:58 PM EST
Originally Posted By RANDOMS:
this list applies not only to uppers but to detatch handles, I suppose not all have the C as I stated, what I SHOULD have stated was all that are made EXCLUSIVELY for colt do, as in ...

C AF = Colt Alco Forge
C MB = Colt / Mueller Brass
CH = Colt Harvey Aluminum
CK = Colt / Kaiser Aluminum
CM = Colt / Martin Marietta

-RANDOMS-


This does not apply to detachable carry handles. Your info is incorrect regarding detachable carry handles sold by Colt. What you should do is just stop... just stop trying to prove your point and try a bit of humility.
LongBow12  [Member]
6/11/2012 11:35:31 AM EST
If anyone would know on here it would be augee. Trust what he posted. OP, just out of curiosity are you set on a Colt carry handle? and if so..why? I don't want to start one of those classic "Colt is better just because arguments". But a RRA, BCM, Bushmaster or any other carry handle; besides the obvious crap brands and airsoft knock-offs would be equally good and worth the same.
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