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postmako  [Member]
10/15/2007 5:08:23 PM
Where can I get a homemade lower receiver anodized or finished? What do most people do to finish their homemade lowers?

Thanks...
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jackal2001  [Team Member]
10/15/2007 5:55:04 PM
I think most people go here:

www.usanodizing.com/
TRWalsh  [Member]
10/15/2007 7:14:10 PM

Originally Posted By jackal2001:
I think most people go here:

www.usanodizing.com/


+1
Victor does great work.
postmako  [Member]
10/16/2007 7:56:15 AM
What is involved for a homemade receiver? Is there paperwork? Does it need a serial number?

Thanks...
jackal2001  [Team Member]
10/16/2007 9:22:07 AM
Why did you ask about anodizing when you know nothing about what needs to be done to legally make one?
Electronrider  [Member]
10/16/2007 3:38:09 PM
Since the lower reciever is the part with the serial number, this would have to have some sort of paperwork from BATF I would immagine. I would HIGHLY recommend you either:

A: Purchase a stripped lower reciever


or

B: Do a LOT of research on homemade firearms through BATF. Those guy ahve NO sense of humor when it comes to such things.
postmako  [Member]
10/16/2007 7:43:09 PM
As far as the law is concerned you may make your own receiver for your own personal use. You will never be able to transfer it but upon your death. So how does this work with getting it anodized? Usually the BATF requires paperwork when sending it to a gunsmith but as far as I can tell there is no requirement for a serial number for a personally made firearm.

Do you guys know of anything different?
Thanks...
redduck21502  [Life Member]
10/16/2007 8:48:22 PM

Originally Posted By postmako:
As far as the law is concerned you may make your own receiver for your own personal use. You will never be able to transfer it but upon your death. So how does this work with getting it anodized? Usually the BATF requires paperwork when sending it to a gunsmith but as far as I can tell there is no requirement for a serial number for a personally made firearm.

Do you guys know of anything different?
Thanks...


From what i have read, you can sell it later, you just cannot build it with the intent to sell it. It's is open for interpretation as to what constitutes intent to sell. I would think you should not sell it unless you absolutely do not want firearms anymore. I am assuming that if you died and somebody auctioned off your collection, they could sell it along with the rest of the collection. Personally, i can see a reason to sell any firearm, so i wouldn't sell a homemade weapon.
postmako  [Member]
10/16/2007 8:56:25 PM
Actually you are in MD as well, what do you do to anodize it?
hk45shooter  [Team Member]
10/16/2007 9:04:35 PM

Originally Posted By postmako:
Usually the BATF requires paperwork when sending it to a gunsmith...

Do you guys know of anything different?


When I sent Victor (US Anodizing) my lower to be refinished I was not required to send no paperwork. Besides the money order for payment.

I am under the impression that if you as an individual are sending a firearm to a gunsmith, dealer, manufacturer or anyone that has a FFL for work to be done, there does not need to be a transfer (which is what I'm thinking you meant by "paperwork), as long a the firearm is being returned to you. Someone please correct/inform me if I am wrong.
redduck21502  [Life Member]
10/16/2007 9:13:05 PM

Originally Posted By hk45shooter:

Originally Posted By postmako:
Usually the BATF requires paperwork when sending it to a gunsmith...

Do you guys know of anything different?


When I sent Victor (US Anodizing) my lower to be refinished I was not required to send no paperwork. Besides the money order for payment.

I am under the impression that if you as an individual are sending a firearm to a gunsmith, dealer, manufacturer or anyone that has a FFL for work to be done, there does not need to be a transfer (which is what I'm thinking you meant by "paperwork), as long a the firearm is being returned to you. Someone please correct/inform me if I am wrong.



That's what i have usually read. Most of the major rules for shipping firearms come from handguns, although i have read that some people have shipped their handguns back to the manufacturer for repair and received them back from the manufacturer. That doesn't seem like it is on the up and up to me. Long arms shouldn't be a problem.
postmako  [Member]
10/16/2007 11:33:06 PM

Originally Posted By redduck21502:

Originally Posted By hk45shooter:
When I sent Victor (US Anodizing) my lower to be refinished I was not required to send no paperwork. Besides the money order for payment.

I am under the impression that if you as an individual are sending a firearm to a gunsmith, dealer, manufacturer or anyone that has a FFL for work to be done, there does not need to be a transfer (which is what I'm thinking you meant by "paperwork), as long a the firearm is being returned to you. Someone please correct/inform me if I am wrong.


That's what i have usually read. Most of the major rules for shipping firearms come from handguns, although i have read that some people have shipped their handguns back to the manufacturer for repair and received them back from the manufacturer. That doesn't seem like it is on the up and up to me. Long arms shouldn't be a problem.


This is what I was looking for, someone who actually sent one in. Did you get the Xtremcoat™ coating in addition to the anodizing or is it just one or the other? Overall how was the work? Was it worth it?

Thanks...
hk45shooter  [Team Member]
10/17/2007 8:42:27 AM

Originally Posted By postmako:
This is what I was looking for, someone who actually sent one in. Did you get the Xtremcoat™ coating in addition to the anodizing or is it just one or the other? Overall how was the work? Was it worth it?

Thanks...


No, I did not get the Xtremcoat as it was a early (1964) SP1 lower I sent to get refinished.

The work was fantastic, & I do not think you will find anyone here unhappy with their work & finished products. IMO, it was well worth it & will be sending them my NoDak Spud 601 lower when I get the money scrounged up.

Before shot of the lower.

After their work. The upper is original, they only done the lower.


Something I noticed on US Anodizing's website about the Extremcoat, quoted from the site:
"For better protection against impact, abrasion, corrosion, wear, and saltwater exposure, Xtremcoat ™ should be applied over Phosphate or Anodizing."

Being as you have a un-anodized lower you might better off just getting the regular anodizing done, unless your rifle will be continuously subjected to the conditions they have listed in the quote.

Wolfdk  [Member]
10/17/2007 3:16:37 PM


What is that small hole just under the buffer extension tower ??
RiffRandall  [Member]
10/17/2007 3:28:50 PM

Originally Posted By Wolfdk:
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What is that small hole just under the buffer extension tower ??


Cross pin locking the receiver extension (buffer tube) in place.
Wolfdk  [Member]
10/17/2007 10:13:03 PM

Originally Posted By RiffRandall:

Originally Posted By Wolfdk:
i40.photobucket.com/albums/e248/hk45shooter/SP1paint704x528.jpg

What is that small hole just under the buffer extension tower ??


Cross pin locking the receiver extension (buffer tube) in place.


I have never seen that before is that normal on the SP1 ??
mercedesman  [Member]
10/18/2007 8:12:24 AM

Originally Posted By redduck21502:

Originally Posted By hk45shooter:

Originally Posted By postmako:
Usually the BATF requires paperwork when sending it to a gunsmith...

Do you guys know of anything different?


When I sent Victor (US Anodizing) my lower to be refinished I was not required to send no paperwork. Besides the money order for payment.

I am under the impression that if you as an individual are sending a firearm to a gunsmith, dealer, manufacturer or anyone that has a FFL for work to be done, there does not need to be a transfer (which is what I'm thinking you meant by "paperwork), as long a the firearm is being returned to you. Someone please correct/inform me if I am wrong.



That's what i have usually read. Most of the major rules for shipping firearms come from handguns, although i have read that some people have shipped their handguns back to the manufacturer for repair and received them back from the manufacturer. That doesn't seem like it is on the up and up to me. Long arms shouldn't be a problem.


I had a problem with a Taurus revolver, and sent it back to them in Florida. They sent it directly back to me. That is 100% legal.
TRWalsh  [Member]
10/18/2007 4:33:26 PM
If you already legally own the firearm, then you can send it off for repairs directly. And the repair center can ship it directly back to you. No dealers need to be involved with shipping or receiving for you to have work performed on YOUR firearms. Also, this is not limited to only the original manufacturer, you can send it off for repairs to any repair / service shop.

However, if you are taking possession of a particular firearm for the first time, you must of course, do it through a FFL in your state (paperwork, background check, etc...).

Handguns or long-guns, it doesn't matter.
postmako  [Member]
10/18/2007 6:01:47 PM

Originally Posted By TRWalsh:
If you already legally own the firearm, then you can send it off for repairs directly. And the repair center can ship it directly back to you. No dealers need to be involved with shipping or receiving for you to have work performed on YOUR firearms. Also, this is not limited to only the original manufacturer, you can send it off for repairs to any repair / service shop.

However, if you are taking possession of a particular firearm for the first time, you must of course, do it through a FFL in your state (paperwork, background check, etc...).

Handguns or long-guns, it doesn't matter.


Good to know, this is what I hoped would be the case.
Thanks everyone...
GrinReaper  [Member]
10/22/2007 4:55:01 PM

As far as the law is concerned you may make your own receiver for your own personal use. You will never be able to transfer it but upon your death.

from http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#a6

(A6) Does the GCA prohibit anyone from making a handgun, shotgun or rifle? [Back]

With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a non-licensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semi-automatic rifle or non-sporting shotgun from imported parts. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and approval by ATF. An application to make a machine gun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a Federal or State agency.

[18 U.S.C. 922(o) and (r), 26 U.S.C. 5822, 27 CFR 478.39, 479.62 and 479.105]



http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b7

(B7) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?[Back]


A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.

[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]



(B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier? [Back]


A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]


(B9) May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity? [Back]


Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm.
opie69  [Team Member]
10/22/2007 6:59:33 PM

Originally Posted By GrinReaper:




(B9) May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity? [Back]


Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm
.


humm didn't know that, thats cool
Bumblebee_Bob  [Team Member]
10/22/2007 9:10:45 PM
The "problem" with shipping the OP's receiver is it has no serial number. Victor at US Anodizing will have to enter something in his bound book. Usually it is the serial number, owner's/shipper's name and address and date. There MAY be a problem if the receiver lacks a serial number, even though it's perfectly legal if it's homemade. I would say call Victor and see what he says.

Once-upon-a-time I found "do it yourself home anodizing" instructions on a paintball sight. Afterall most paintball guns are aluminum. I don't have the link anymore but maybe you can find it and go that route.
postmako  [Member]
10/23/2007 8:15:38 AM

Originally Posted By Bumblebee_Bob:
The "problem" with shipping the OP's receiver is it has no serial number. Victor at US Anodizing will have to enter something in his bound book. Usually it is the serial number, owner's/shipper's name and address and date. There MAY be a problem if the receiver lacks a serial number, even though it's perfectly legal if it's homemade. I would say call Victor and see what he says.


I e-mailed Victor and he finally got back to me. He said they need some way of keeping track of it while they have it and would recommend putting a serial number on it. He also said they will need to record the transaction in their bound book. So if one is interested in not having a paper trail then doing it at home (as recommended above) is best. I will probably try both at home and with Victor and decide on which I like best, since I am not too concerned with the paper trail.

Thanks everyone...
02connie  [Member]
10/26/2007 12:47:16 AM
Pretty decent Page

http://www.focuser.com/atm/anodize/anodize.html
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