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 Does anyone sell a "milspec" lower parts kit?
DBR  [Team Member]
8/5/2007 12:11:27 AM
I have tried several vendors of "lower parts kits" including A2 butt stock parts and so far I have not found any that are near milspec. I don't want to mention names at this time.

I am looking for the "real deal" in parts to complete bare lowers. Semi-auto.

Any suggestions???
DBR  [Team Member]
8/5/2007 4:21:33 AM
I am absolutely NOT a troll. I am a knowledgeable consumer who doesn't drink cool aid (at least knowingly).

I am looking for parts that are at least close to mil spec. For example: a Colt Lower I bought on an "HBAR elite" had:
plastic buffer
plastic A2 butt plate door
Plastic buffer tube spacer
non "F" marked front sight tower with A3 upper (.040 too low)
terrible trigger group parts (9# gritty pull) marked "Colt Match".

I have yet to find a trigger group in any recent Colt or after market lower (sample of approx 20 units) that compares to the quality of several box stock 70's vintage out of the box Colt ARs (5-6# crisp pull and clean let off).

Even so called "premier" makers seem to be offering rather rough parts to the civilian market which do not compare to parts of earlier manufacture or the parts they supply to the military.

I understand that quality costs money. I haven't found it even if I am willing to pay for it in certain parts. In particular I want: (legal mil configuration) hammer , trigger/sear, forward assist (hardened steel), proper finish (Hard anodize and nickel Acetate sealer on upper and lower forgings). I could make a longer list but I see no point in doing so.

I am not suggesting that in every case the non milspec changes are bad, only that they should be disclosed. What really bothers me is that certain parts that are highly stressed are non milspec in their physical specs and are called milspec because their dimensions are to the milspec prints.

If I buy a "milspec" part, I expect it to be exactly like the part a military inspector would approve including material cert etc. We are paying more than Uncle Sam for these parts. We deserve the best of the best IMHO. To call most consumer parts for ARXX "milspec" is simply not accurate. The mfgs who do in fact supply true milspec or better parts deserve our loyalty. IMHO they are also entitled to bragging rights.

Yes, this is rant of sorts. I just don't understand why we won't as a group support the good guys and ostracize or at least categorize the not so good guys. I can only surmise that some don't know the difference and others don't want to admit mistakes in their purchasing choses as they become more informed.
DBR  [Team Member]
8/5/2007 5:29:17 AM
JackBurton:

And by the way, thank you and FU for your pre judging of an honest inquiry that didn't fit your ridged preconceived stereotype of an honest question from someone who understands they don't know everything
K9-Bob  [Team Member]
8/5/2007 5:36:12 AM
We all know how important the post count is to the "live in mommy's basement" ARFCOM members. It's a shame that the monkey boys run all of the good folks off this site by posting shit like.....OST, +1, and me too shit to run up their post counts.

Forget CMMG, as their parts look exactly like DPMS parts to me. Oh did I say that out loud?

Remember that Milspec sometimes means "lowest bidder".

Good luck finding your parts DBR.
shamayim  [Member]
8/5/2007 9:26:51 AM
While I agree that Colt cuts some corners on the civie models these days, the quality of the steel in the fire control parts is the same as it always was. That the control surfaces of trigger and hammer may not be as smooth as you'd like, they are easily finished off w/a smooth cut stone.

Since you are dealing w/a current model Colt, your parts availability is limited to the big hole fire control pieces, and not every supplier makes them. If I was in your shoes, I'd polish to surfaces on the trigger and hammer, replace the butt trap and buffer w/ bushmaster or DPMS pieces, and go merrily on my way.

Since I don't have a late model Colt at my house, I can use any fire control pieces I choose. So I buy Colt marked hammers, triggers, and disconnestors for the M16s, mill off the auto fire hooks, drop a tiny weld bead at the outer edge of the trigger, and go merrily on my way.

And I still polish the bearing surfaces of the hammer and trigger.
wildearp  [Team Member]
8/5/2007 9:50:05 AM
If you are looking for a clean trigger pull, why not go with a National Match trigger, or one of the many high quality aftermarket triggers on the market?

There are also a number of 'smiths on the board who can do a nice trigger job for you for a very small amount of cash and get you exactly what you seek. Mil-spec ain't it, because a rough 8 pound pull is definately mil-spec.
shamayim  [Member]
8/5/2007 10:09:20 AM

Originally Posted By wildearp:
Mil-spec ain't it, because a rough 8 pound pull is definately mil-spec.


+1 on that
YoteSlayer69  [Member]
8/5/2007 11:48:08 PM
My best luck with lower part's has been Bushmaster. EXCEPT trigger's. JP has given me the best pull weight and no problem's with reliability. Worst luck came with Model one sale's. Total junk.........I have some Model One part's you can have by the way.
texasmotor  [Team Member]
8/6/2007 12:06:39 AM
Well then
+1
JackBurton  [Team Member]
8/6/2007 12:26:31 AM

Originally Posted By DBR:
JackBurton:

And by the way, thank you and FU for your pre judging of an honest inquiry that didn't fit your ridged preconceived stereotype of an honest question from someone who understands they don't know everything


RELAX...

We get a lot of people around here fishing for someone to give them information on illegal actions. Re-read your original post, especially the parts I highlighted in red, with that in mind...

When you ask about "milspec" parts and where to aquire the "real deal" it sounds fishy.

I tried to give you some information, actually I think I was pretty polite about it. Sorry its wound you up.

As far as me "sitting in my mommy's basement worrying about post counts" I joined this site in 2002 and haven't broken 3000 posts yet, take a look around, some guys do that in their first month here...
DBR  [Team Member]
8/6/2007 2:15:00 AM
JackBurton:

Probably a bad choice of words on my part. I admit I didn't know the military only bought m16 parts. However, before you call someone a "troll" you might want to look at their previous posts. Quantity does not equal quality particularly on this site. My post count is low because I try to only post when I have a question or can provide another member with useful, accurate info. I have no interest in opinions represented as fact. To me it is just noise.

Yes, you did give me some useful info for that I thank you. I just reacted to being falsely accused of something I am not and I found it offensive since it was based on nothing but a choice of words.
JackBurton  [Team Member]
8/6/2007 2:21:17 AM
DBR:

Ok, fair enough. I'm sorry for calling you a troll.
gs430  [Member]
8/6/2007 7:10:47 AM


Seriously though, I've had very good experiences with RRA LPK's. If you're looking for something a little more in terms of triggers, you could always get the RRA NM which is decent or step up and get the "Cadillac" of AR triggers, the Geissele.
traffic_sucks  [Member]
8/6/2007 12:05:09 PM

Originally Posted By gs430:
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Seriously though, I've had very good experiences with RRA LPK's. If you're looking for something a little more in terms of triggers, you could always get the RRA NM which is decent or step up and get the "Cadillac" of AR triggers, the Geissele.


Damn, that is one terrifying pic!
brianksain  [Team Member]
8/7/2007 5:38:25 PM
Dear lord ...