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 Troy Or Samson BUIS
Sgt__Rock  [Member]
3/26/2007 2:33:57 PM EDT
Having a hard time deciding between the Troy folding font sight OR the Samson folding front sight. Any suggestions? Is one better than the other?
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stretch415  [Team Member]
3/26/2007 2:38:54 PM EDT
I havent even seen the sampson but can tell you that the Troy is about the best there is. Go troy and you will not regret it
Sgt__Rock  [Member]
3/26/2007 2:46:25 PM EDT
It either the Troy folding front and rear BUIS Or the Samson folding front w/A.R.M.S. 40L rear. Just cant decide.
stretch415  [Team Member]
3/26/2007 4:24:08 PM EDT
go with the troy. There isnt 1 person on this board that would put them down(at least ive never seen 1) They are beefy and very well made. Ive had an arms 40 which was ok but I upgraded to the troy and it really does well.
VaughnT  [Member]
3/26/2007 4:26:47 PM EDT
I have a Troy rear sight and can't imagine anything better. You'd have to talk really fast to convince me that there's a stronger, more durable design that's as fast to deploy.

I think the Troy front sight uses a proprietary sight blade design. Not sure where I heard that, and I could be very wrong. Still, solid workmanship and well worth the cost!
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OFFSHORE  [Team Member]
3/26/2007 4:33:04 PM EDT
IIRC they are identical as are their rails. They are made in the same machine shop.
phylodog  [Team Member]
3/26/2007 5:01:17 PM EDT
Buy the Troy rear and Samson front. The samson front is spring loaded and comes up with the push of the side button. You have to pull the troy up into place and they tend to be a bit tight. I love the Troy rear but I prefer the Samson front.

I've owned a couple of Arms BUIS and I won't buy another. My 40 & 40L both had some play when they were in the up position. Not something that helps repeatability.
Sgt__Rock  [Member]
3/26/2007 5:16:58 PM EDT
WOW! Thanks for all the replies.Still gonna do a little more research but im leaning towards the troy front and rear.
Shark15  [Team Member]
3/28/2007 2:36:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By OFFSHORE:
IIRC they are identical as are their rails. They are made in the same machine shop.

Samson hasn't made sights for Troy for over a year now. When Samson started his own line of AR products Troy stopped using him.

The Troy sights have two locking systems. If one would fail there is a second one that will keep the sight in place. This is why they are tighter to move and this is one reason the Toys are not spring loaded. A spring wouldn't be able to move the Troy sight into place.
INI  [Member]
3/28/2007 6:39:14 AM EDT
I've had both, I prefer, and am currently using the spring loaded Samson, with the standard AR sight post.
Praetorian55  [Team Member]
3/28/2007 8:17:46 AM EDT
I had troys and swapped them out for the samson. I like the spring loading and the standard sight post (the biggest reason I swapped...)
Jason_R  [Member]
3/28/2007 10:47:39 AM EDT
I have a troy rear BUIS and love it. Very well made! I thought it was a little expensive...but it was worth the price.
CCasket  [Member]
3/28/2007 11:08:51 AM EDT
TROY all the way. You can even order them in FDE
Sgt__Rock  [Member]
3/28/2007 7:25:13 PM EDT
ok im going with the Samson front and ARMS rear. I will try the Troy next build.
Stickman  [Industry Partner]
3/29/2007 11:54:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sgt__Rock:
ok im going with the Samson front and ARMS rear. I will try the Troy next build.

I've got both, and while I like each of them, I like the ability of the Samson to be adjusted the same way as the regular AR15/ M16 front sights. Another option which is similar to the Troy is the new PRI, which is shrouded and uses an standard front sight post as well.
Sgt__Rock  [Member]
3/29/2007 3:37:03 PM EDT
Hey stick, would you happen to have a pic with a samson front sight and arms 40l rear?
By the way....Rainier Arms ROCKS!!!!!
INI  [Member]
3/30/2007 5:22:24 AM EDT
Samson Front/ARMS 40L BUIS

Black-Tiger  [Team Member]
3/30/2007 5:52:37 AM EDT
Definitely Troy.

Sgt__Rock  [Member]
4/5/2007 6:15:02 PM EDT
Ok. So I bought the Samson flip front and ARMS 40L rear this weekend at the gun show. Got home and put them on my rifle. And what do you know I dont like the set up. The Samson SUCKS!!! When it is deployed it has ALOT of play side to side which means no repeat zero. The ARMS 40L is not a bad sight. Not much play but I dont like the fact that is does not lock up in the deployed position. So I sold them both, made my money back and bought the TROY front and rear battle sights. Holy shit these sights ROCK!!!! They deploy easily, they lock up SOLID, they are the lowest profile sight I have ever come across and they look pretty sweet too. TROY sights are what all other BUIS should be measured against. These guys have there shit together.You guys were right, TROY is the way to go!
phylodog  [Team Member]
4/5/2007 7:07:15 PM EDT
Glad you found a setup you like. I had the opposite problem, my Samson is solid but my ARMS 40L is loose as hell.
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