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 M16 FCG - Legal to Purchase?
saintarctangent  [Member]
1/1/2007 12:00:22 PM EST
Found a vendor that sells these

www.ftfindustries.com/ar-15___m-16.htm

I always assumed these were big time illegal to sell or possess without a class III registered lower.

Wonder how FTF sells these? Seems like if it was legal, there would be more vendors selling them?
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SirSqueeboo  [Team Member]
1/1/2007 12:09:07 PM EST
That's where the line gets really blurry with the ATF...short story is they advise you not to have ANY M-16 parts in your AR-15, although the law states as long as it won't fire FA, then you're good to go.



read this

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=6&t=147440
LoneWolfUSMC  [Member]
1/1/2007 1:58:11 PM EST
Legal to purchase.....yes.

Legal to own a complete FA FCG without the registered Receiver or RDIAS? No.

It's fairly simple. If you have all of the parts necesarry to convert your rifle to a machinegun then you can be found guilty of "constructive possession".

If you do not have a registered machinegun then you have no reasonable need to have a autosear or M16 disconnector. None of the other M16 FCG parts are capable of converting a AR15 into a machinegun, so they are not illegal to own. HOWEVER, if you should ever find yourself in a situation where your rifle malfunctions and fires more than one shot per pull of the trigger and you have M16 parts in your rifle, you may have a hard time proving that you did not intend to make a machinegun.
PropDoc  [Team Member]
1/1/2007 2:19:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By SirSqueeboo:
That's where the line gets really blurry with the ATF...short story is they advise you not to have ANY M-16 parts in your AR-15, although the law states as long as it won't fire FA, then you're good to go.



read this

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=6&t=147440


You had better be REAL careful as where you get your info. Here is the exact wording of NFA Title 26 U.S. Code Chapter 53 Internal Revenue Code. Para.5845 (b):

(b) Machinegun. The term 'machinegun'
means any weapon which shoots, is
designed to shoot, or can be readily restored
to shoot, automatically more than
one shot, without manual reloading, by a
single function of the trigger. The term
shall also include
the frame or receiver of
any such weapon, any part designed and
intended solely and exclusively, or combination
of parts
designed and intended,
for use in converting a weapon into a
machinegun, and any combination of
parts from which a machinegun can be
assembled if such parts are in the possession
or under the control of a person.


Just so you know, the penelty can be up to $10,000 AND/or 10 years in jail, if the BATF decides you might have "intended" to make a machine gun.The parts sold are "intended" for legally owned machine gun repair.
saintarctangent  [Member]
1/1/2007 2:31:06 PM EST
Maybe FTF stands for "Felons to Feds" :-)
j-barcarp  [Team Member]
3/1/2007 2:03:13 PM EST
not sure about ftf,

they messed up the only thing i ever ordered from them.
after repeated email communication before i ordered.
and made zero effort to make it right afterward.

but the adds in shotgun news for machineguns and silencers stipulate proper paperwork prior to sale.
philip_g  [Member]
3/1/2007 4:48:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By PropDoc:

Originally Posted By SirSqueeboo:
That's where the line gets really blurry with the ATF...short story is they advise you not to have ANY M-16 parts in your AR-15, although the law states as long as it won't fire FA, then you're good to go.



read this

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=6&t=147440


You had better be REAL careful as where you get your info. Here is the exact wording of NFA Title 26 U.S. Code Chapter 53 Internal Revenue Code. Para.5845 (b):

(b) Machinegun. The term 'machinegun'
means any weapon which shoots, is
designed to shoot, or can be readily restored
to shoot, automatically more than
one shot, without manual reloading, by a
single function of the trigger. The term
shall also include
the frame or receiver of
any such weapon, any part designed and
intended solely and exclusively, or combination
of parts
designed and intended,
for use in converting a weapon into a
machinegun, and any combination of
parts from which a machinegun can be
assembled if such parts are in the possession
or under the control of a person.


Just so you know, the penelty can be up to $10,000 AND/or 10 years in jail, if the BATF decides you might have "intended" to make a machine gun.The parts sold are "intended" for legally owned machine gun repair.


I'm with you.

especially in light of the reversal of their decision on the atkins accelerator last month or so... not a place to play games imo.
TacticalChaos  [Member]
3/1/2007 5:26:13 PM EST
Be lucky if you even get anything you order from FTF.
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