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 How best to mount a Surefire G2 LED to a picatinny rail? (new pics at top of page 2)
JBlitzen  [Team Member]
3/10/2008 6:39:43 AM EST
I see the Surefire M79 mount all over, but nobody has any in stock.

The M31 is around, too, but I'm unsure of whether it'd fit around the slightly larger G2 body.

I'd appreciate any suggestions or recommendations.
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Hoplophile  [Team Member]
3/10/2008 6:53:12 AM EST
Pretty much everybody makes a mount that will work. Or you could just go to wal mart and get some 1" weaver scope rings.
JBlitzen  [Team Member]
3/10/2008 6:58:09 AM EST
I tried a set of leupold 1" rings, but damn if I can't cram them around the light without scraping chunks off of it. Hate the thought of that, particularly since they seemed like they'd be a very tough fit even if I got them around the body.
JBlitzen  [Team Member]
3/10/2008 7:02:19 AM EST
You know, I just tried it again, and damn if I didn't snap it on the light without too much scraping.

It occurred to me that there must be a way to get these on a metal scope without damaging it too much.

Okay, this oughta work fine.

Thanks, heh. You got me thinking.
Victor  [Industry Partner]
3/10/2008 11:11:34 AM EST
If I am not mistaken, the Viking tactics offset mount will work just fine.
Hoplophile  [Team Member]
3/10/2008 12:06:53 PM EST
I really like the position of Viking Tactics mount. Keeps the light very close to the handguards and postions it perectly for the thumb. I actually need to replace mine with something else because I'm now using a supressor on that rifle and VT mount is so low profile that the bezel is very close to the can. I think I'm going to replace it with the Larue since the position is similar and the rest of the rifle has a bunch of Larue on it anyway.
socommatthews  [Team Member]
3/10/2008 6:24:03 PM EST
Dont forget about Larue. I have my G2 in a LT606 mount.
Arcteryx  [Team Member]
3/10/2008 6:29:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By socommatthews:
Dont forget about Larue. I have my G2 in a LT606 mount.


+1
JBlitzen  [Team Member]
3/10/2008 11:41:56 PM EST
This is the set I'd picked up several years ago when I first planned a rail system on my AR. Then I decided I liked the surefire M500A system better, but I kept the rings in reserve since it seemed I'd inevitably want to try a quad rail.

www.opticsplanet.net/leupold-quick-release-weaver-style-qrw-rings.html



$50+ is a lot for a ring set, imo, but they're high quality, and I get two "mounts" with the set.

You can see that the main ring wraps around a scope tube a little. It fit over a 6P I had tucked away somewhere, but the G2 was so tight I didn't see it happening. When I tried again, though, it fit fine. Perfectly, actually.

I don't have the new rifle yet, and I've never fired an AK, but I think it'll work fine on a side of this (I'll have to experiment with which side):



I don't plan to rig up a pressure sensor or anything in the short term. Instead, I'll just suffer with it being a manual on/off. That and night sights should complete the system, assuming the rifle itself has no problems.

Now I'm just waiting on the rifle and mags from Atlantic.

Thanks for your help, again, guys. I'd convinced myself that the only way to fit that ring over the G2 was to damage the G2, but once I talked myself out of that, it snapped perfectly in place.
Mach1  [Member]
3/11/2008 5:44:55 AM EST
I'm a fan of the VLTOR Scout. Simple, well made, sits low.
txgp17  [Team Member]
3/11/2008 5:51:18 PM EST
I'm using a Midwest Industries MI#03 Tactical Rail & Vertical Grip, with a FAB Defense PLS 1 - Flashlight Side Mount, holding a Surefire 9P with a Solarforce Cree Q5 drop-in.

I can't testify how tough it is, cause I haven't mistreated it yet. But I got a descent 230 lumen weapon light for about $165 total.

If you look closely, you can see where I had to trim the vertical grip some with a Dremel to get adequate clearance. Once that was done, it worked like a charm.









fyeguy  [Team Member]
3/11/2008 6:16:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By Victor:
If I am not mistaken, the Viking tactics offset mount will work just fine.

+1, no-brainer.

It's light, inexpensive ($15), and well made.
RS0802  [Member]
3/11/2008 7:50:58 PM EST


Go with the Viking. It's awesome. Low Profile. Light. Keeps light close to rail.
NoCompromise  [Member]
3/11/2008 7:57:48 PM EST
Has anyone tried the KZ OFM Mount? looks better than the viking and only 20 bucks.

http://www.botachtactical.com/kzofm.html
nicholsmf  [Team Member]
3/12/2008 2:34:07 AM EST
LT606 is the answer
maxicon  [Team Member]
3/13/2008 11:40:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By NoCompromise:
Has anyone tried the KZ OFM Mount? looks better than the viking and only 20 bucks.

http://www.botachtactical.com/kzofm.html


Botach's KZ gear appears to be Chinese imports. That's not necessarily bad, but definitely calls for some real-life feedback, unless you want to be the test case.

Then there's Botach's legendary customer service...
Lancelot  [Team Member]
3/14/2008 5:12:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By nicholsmf:
LT606 is the answer



I have a 606 its a nice mount. But to heavy and puts the light to far off the rail for me. I was running a Pentagon X3HA in my 606, but dumped the mount. I'll be replacing the 606 with a Viking.

I'm running a G2 in a Viking mount and like it much better. The light hugs the rail and the difference in weight is noticeable.

jashoffa  [Member]
3/16/2008 5:32:16 AM EST



I'm running a G2 in a Viking mount and like it much better. The light hugs the rail and the difference in weight is noticeable.




I have this set up on order and expect it to arive this week. The weight thing is what pushed me over the top. The fact that the set up didn't cost much and if I don't like it I still have a great personal light in the G2 helped too. I got the LED version so I hope it will be bright enough.
Lancelot  [Team Member]
3/16/2008 3:47:37 PM EST
Just be aware of the fact that the light will sit close to the rails. It may mean you have to trim your rail covers to make it fit. If you use ladders or KAC panels it should not be an issue.

On the other hand the 606 made me reposition my VFG, so six of one.....


FMJ  [Team Member]
3/17/2008 4:03:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By RS0802:


Go with the Viking. It's awesome. Low Profile. Light. Keeps light close to rail.



AWESOME AR

THATS what I run on my LMT Defender 2000 M4

Viking Tatics mount is the best for the G2


BTW

MY G2 crap out yesterday

But I use it every single Nite when I walk in the eve for a late nite Cigar

Its around 2 years old

I will just buy a LAMP maybe a 35 buck LED lamp
but scared it wont trow like the G2 65lum
jashoffa  [Member]
3/17/2008 5:04:59 AM EST

I will just buy a LAMP maybe a 35 buck LED lamp
but scared it wont trow like the G2 65lum



I think the LED is suppose to be an 80 lumen rating....we will see I guess!





Just be aware of the fact that the light will sit close to the rails. It may mean you have to trim your rail covers to make it fit. If you use ladders or KAC panels it should not be an issue.


I do use the ladder style for now. I am thinking about swtiching to a diffrent style but I am not sure about that yet.
jashoffa  [Member]
3/21/2008 6:50:34 AM EST
Well I got my order yesterday. G2 LED with the Vicking Tactics mount. It is a pretty good setup for the price. I mounted it so my thumb can activate the switch when using the choke the chicken hold. I tried mounting it on the bottom rail but the side rail works better.

I have to say I am pretty impressed with the light and the mount is rock solid. The fit is good, I wish the finish on the mount looked a little better but over all it will work well I think. If I ever decide to go with a different light the G2 will make a great personal tac. light.

Now the only things left for me to choose for my AR is Bipod or Gripod, and aimpoint or ACOG.
RS0802  [Member]
3/23/2008 3:40:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By FMJ:

MY G2 crap out yesterday

But I use it every single Nite when I walk in the eve for a late nite Cigar

Its around 2 years old

I will just buy a LAMP maybe a 35 buck LED lamp
but scared it wont trow like the G2 65lum


Put this in your G2. It is awesome. It will blow away a regular incan bulb from a G2. It has more throw and better side spill.

DX SKU1447

I have these in both of my rifle mounted G2's. They work great. The company is in Hong Kong and takes about two weeks to get. They also have great customer service. So don't worry about that stuff.

My incan bulbs are a thing of the past.

RS

ETA: I also have a G2LED and it does not have the throw of the above emitter. It is bright and has tons of side spill but the SKU1447 is better for rifle use.
Ragin_Cajun  [Member]
3/23/2008 7:44:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By socommatthews:
Dont forget about Larue. I have my G2 in a LT606 mount.


FTW!
Schuey2k2  [Member]
3/24/2008 9:34:17 AM EST
A Malkoff drop-in would be a nice addition to any G2/6P/C2/etc. flashlight.

SF is also coming out with their 200 Lumen P61L drop-in sometime this year, too..
RS0802  [Member]
3/24/2008 3:51:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By Schuey2k2:
A Malkoff drop-in would be a nice addition to any G2/6P/C2/etc. flashlight.

SF is also coming out with their 200 Lumen P61L drop-in sometime this year, too..


I agree about the Malkoff... It's just $60 bucks is hard to swallow in a $30 light. The P61L will be interesting.


For those wondering what we are talking about... Read this thread

Candle Power Forums P60 Drop-In's
JBlitzen  [Team Member]
3/24/2008 10:40:55 PM EST
Okay, I did it!



Leupold quick release rail mounted 1" scope ring, with the lever dremeled down a little to clear the upper handguard.

Not a great pic, but:



More discussion here:

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=105125&r=826862&page=1#bottom

Thank you for your help, guys.

As I mention in the other thread, I'll be scratching my head about a way to mount this to the original (non-rail) handguard. Maybe by bolting a short rail section to each side of that one? Anyone ever do anything like that?
maxicon  [Team Member]
3/25/2008 10:43:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By RS0802:

Originally Posted By Schuey2k2:
A Malkoff drop-in would be a nice addition to any G2/6P/C2/etc. flashlight.

SF is also coming out with their 200 Lumen P61L drop-in sometime this year, too..


I agree about the Malkoff... It's just $60 bucks is hard to swallow in a $30 light. The P61L will be interesting.


For those wondering what we are talking about... Read this thread

Candle Power Forums P60 Drop-In's


Considering the P60L is $40 and is only 80 lumens, I'd imagine the P61L will be in the $60 range as well, and may only hit 120 lumens, according to preliminary specs. It's hard to imagine it being up to the Malkoff for the money, but maybe Surefire's ready to catch up in this market after all and will make it 200+ lumens. There are rumors they've upped it to 200 lumens, but nothing official that I've seen.

They definitely need to look at what people are buying, because that 120 lumens that seemed so hot a few years ago is looking pretty lame these days.

Dead_Nuts  [Team Member]
3/27/2008 9:08:18 AM EST
I don't believe Surefire will ever be on the cutting edge of LED bins. They like to take theri time testing and evaluating new emitters before incorporating them into lights. Not a bad idea, but I have never had an issue with a Malkoff.
FMJ  [Team Member]
3/31/2008 2:26:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By RS0802:

Go with the Viking. It's awesome. Low Profile. Light. Keeps light close to rail.



+1

I use a VIKEING TATICS MOUNT on my LMT M4 Defender 2000

Locks on SOLID and is a VERY RUGGED MOUNT !!


I CANT SEE PAYING ALOT OF CASH FOR A MOUNT JUST TO HOLD A FLASHLIGHT
ITS NOT LIKE IT WILL LOOSE ITS ZERO
FMJ  [Team Member]
3/31/2008 2:28:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By jashoffa:



I'm running a G2 in a Viking mount and like it much better. The light hugs the rail and the difference in weight is noticeable.




I have this set up on order and expect it to arive this week. The weight thing is what pushed me over the top. The fact that the set up didn't cost much and if I don't like it I still have a great personal light in the G2 helped too. I got the LED version so I hope it will be bright enough.



I run a REGULAR G2

It throws a TIGHT BEAM of Light

Im good at 75yards +
FMJ  [Team Member]
3/31/2008 2:29:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By Lancelot:

Originally Posted By nicholsmf:
LT606 is the answer



I have a 606 its a nice mount. But to heavy and puts the light to far off the rail for me. I was running a Pentagon X3HA in my 606, but dumped the mount. I'll be replacing the 606 with a Viking.

I'm running a G2 in a Viking mount and like it much better. The light hugs the rail and the difference in weight is noticeable.




+1


cant see spending ALOT money on a Flashlight mount!
Its not like its for a scope
Mach  [Team Member]
3/31/2008 2:44:21 AM EST
+1 on the Fab defense mount. Locks up solid and is very lightweight. It's nice having the light right next to my thumb in an offset position. I had scope rings before, and this is so much better.
Schuey2k2  [Member]
4/1/2008 12:35:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By fyeguy:

Originally Posted By Victor:
If I am not mistaken, the Viking tactics offset mount will work just fine.

+1, no-brainer.

It's light, inexpensive ($15), and well made.


Are there any other places that have it for that price? Besides Botach?
Hoplophile  [Team Member]
4/1/2008 2:04:22 PM EST
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Viking-Tactics-Light-Mount-BLACK-p/viking%20light%20mount%20black.htm
$18.95 from Bravo Company
Schuey2k2  [Member]
4/1/2008 5:37:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By Hoplophile:
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Viking-Tactics-Light-Mount-BLACK-p/viking%20light%20mount%20black.htm
$18.95 from Bravo Company

I just ordered one. I got it cheaper from Viking Tactics since they charged less for shipping..
vandal  [Member]
4/1/2008 5:53:20 PM EST
I bought one. It is lower profile than the Viking mount, and being aluminum I thought it might be better mounted on my Ultimak AK rail.

Never really got a chance to test it. None of my lights would fit in it. I guess it only works with a metal 6p -- old school!


Originally Posted By NoCompromise:
Has anyone tried the KZ OFM Mount? looks better than the viking and only 20 bucks.

http://www.botachtactical.com/kzofm.html
vandal  [Member]
4/1/2008 5:58:46 PM EST
Here is another similar but more rugged option coming --

Vltor SMOCG

Vltor SMOCG
STG77  [Member]
4/1/2008 6:05:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By vandal:
Here is another similar but more rugged option coming --

Vltor SMOCG

Vltor SMOCG



That looks great, I just hope they make it in a .830" version for E series lights.

I am using the regular Vltor scout mount now. It's a great design that is simple and idiot-proof.
Kyle984  [Member]
4/3/2008 1:11:01 PM EST
Loving the look of the Vltor. Can't wait to find out the release date!
arfreak223  [Member]
4/3/2008 1:36:27 PM EST
i have a surfire m73 and use a voltor scout mount with my g2
JBlitzen  [Team Member]
4/13/2008 11:25:27 AM EST
Update: I bolted a short rail section to a plain green lower handguard on the AK, and used the same mounting ring as I had on the three rail platform.



It's still easily actuated by stretching out my fingers.

Thanks again for the help, guys.
FMJ  [Team Member]
4/14/2008 3:50:37 AM EST
I will always like a AK47 /74
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