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 Tactical Fixed Stocks
Mitchman705  [Member]
10/19/2010 7:45:11 PM
Does anyone know of any companies that make stocks that are fixed for states with an AWB. Instead of having a stock fixed fully extended from the manufacturer or getting an ugly A2, is there any stocks out there that are built shorter or more "tactical". And unpinning the stock and repinning it collapsed is not an option, or buying a new one and pinning it yourself...its technically illegal. Thanks guys.
TerryC  [Team Member]
10/19/2010 11:52:59 PM
There is at least one company manufacturing a skeletonized non-adjustable stock that uses the CAR buffer and spring. The one I looked at was very short, only a little longer that the carbine-length tube itself.

If there is one, there are probably others.

Don't know the legality of these in your area but they seem like they would be good to go since the tube is a structural part of the stock and once assembled it cannot be adjusted.

Here's a pic...



ETA to add link: About 3/4 down the page.

LaRue556  [Team Member]
10/20/2010 7:53:47 AM

Originally Posted By TerryC:
There is at least one company manufacturing a skeletonized non-adjustable stock that uses the CAR buffer and spring. The one I looked at was very short, only a little longer that the carbine-length tube itself.

If there is one, there are probably others.

Don't know the legality of these in your area but they seem like they would be good to go since the tube is a structural part of the stock and once assembled it cannot be adjusted.

Here's a pic...

http://www.gunaccessories.com/AR15-M16Parts/BS-RFX-E.jpg

ETA to add link: About 3/4 down the page.


Yeah ACE stocks are awesome.

BUT.....you CAN buy a pinned collapsible stock so that it acts like fixed if there's some particular "tactical" design you want.
Gregory_K  [Member]
10/20/2010 8:43:52 AM
A1 stock.
Kilo_11  [Member]
10/20/2010 8:49:36 AM
VLTOR A1
Drew1066  [Member]
10/20/2010 10:31:10 AM
I love Sully Stocks myself, especially with the QD option they have now. They are especially good for balancing out heavy front ends and I would have one even though I can have a collapsible stock.

Link: Sully Stock
Aimless  [Site Staff]
10/20/2010 11:25:38 AM
Sully stock is a good length and it's solid, not hollow. Cavarms A1 stocks would be my next choice. I do have a shorty entry stock on one of my post ban guns but I've had mixed results with it. Seems like a good setup for things like inside the house with an aimpoint, but outside shooting longer distances with irons prone I have had problems quickly acquiring the sites.
glenn_r  [Team Member]
10/20/2010 11:43:59 AM
+1 on the Sully stock, they fit me like a collapsible stock out 1 notch from the receiver. Sturdy and bombproof.
KySawgrass  [Team Member]
10/23/2010 11:07:04 AM
Vltor makes fixed stocks that look like their clubfoot's and stuff... They are pretty sweet.
Lancelot  [Team Member]
10/23/2010 12:16:13 PM
Rock River makes one. Click here.
Castillo  [Team Member]
10/24/2010 5:15:45 PM
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Rock River makes one. Click here.


They should really offer one of these the same length as a carbine stock one click out instead of A2
Aimless  [Site Staff]
10/24/2010 9:25:01 PM

Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Rock River makes one. Click here.

I had not seen that! I agree a shorter version would have been better
220ST  [Team Member]
10/25/2010 12:12:32 AM
Originally Posted By Gregory_K:
A1 stock.


Best one.
TeeRex  [Team Member]
10/25/2010 12:15:42 AM
rock river entry stock
Aimless  [Site Staff]
10/25/2010 11:11:46 AM

Originally Posted By TeeRex:
rock river entry stock

Do you have one? I'm using one on an Ar but have not quite "adjusted" to it. Mine was from Bushy but I would assume they get them from the same place.
Castillo  [Team Member]
10/25/2010 3:39:57 PM
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By TeeRex:
rock river entry stock

Do you have one? I'm using one on an Ar but have not quite "adjusted" to it. Mine was from Bushy but I would assume they get them from the same place.


I forget what company makes it, but you can throw on a 1'' rubber pad on the end which will make it roughly the length of 1 click out on a carbine stock.
WolfTrack  [Member]
10/25/2010 3:53:43 PM
Originally Posted By Castillo:
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By TeeRex:
rock river entry stock

Do you have one? I'm using one on an Ar but have not quite "adjusted" to it. Mine was from Bushy but I would assume they get them from the same place.


I forget what company makes it, but you can throw on a 1'' rubber pad on the end which will make it roughly the length of 1 click out on a carbine stock.


...or one of these

ETA: Or these

WhyTanFox  [Team Member]
10/25/2010 4:07:57 PM
Originally Posted By Mitchman705:
buying a new one and pinning it yourself...its technically illegal.


Did you know that M4-style stocks are used on a variety of non-AWB'ed weapons, including pump-action shotguns and rifles, and straight-pull bolt-action AR clones? The only state AWB I have read that includes "parts used for an assault weapon" is New Jersey's, and call me crazy but if all my semi-auto AR's had stocks on them and I had a legal use for a telescoping stock (like my Remington 870), I wouldn't fear having a such a device in my house.

YMMV. IANAL,TINLA.

HTH,
WTF

ETA: I have an RRA Entry Stock; it was a bit too short for my tastes. I have rather generic carbine stock pinned somewhere between an Entry length and A1 length and find it "just right" for a squared shooting stance.
Castillo  [Team Member]
10/25/2010 5:58:44 PM
Originally Posted By Mitchman705:
Does anyone know of any companies that make stocks that are fixed for states with an AWB. Instead of having a stock fixed fully extended from the manufacturer or getting an ugly A2, is there any stocks out there that are built shorter or more "tactical". And unpinning the stock and repinning it collapsed is not an option, or buying a new one and pinning it yourself...its technically illegal. Thanks guys.


You can't unpin a fixed type M4 stock since they have A2 length receiver extension
NY_Shooter  [Team Member]
10/25/2010 7:28:32 PM
Originally Posted By Mitchman705:
buying a new one and pinning it yourself...its technically illegal.


Is there actual text in CT's AWB that says that?

I know in NY you can buy and possess telescoping stocks all day long, with no legal worries. It's when you throw it onto a post-ban, semi-auto receiver in NY that you're breaking the law. But there's nothing stopping a NY'er from buying a telescoping stock, and pinning it themselves before they install it. (Granted, NY doesn't specify in their AWB any "approved" methods to pin a stock)

Maybe CT is different, I'm not sure.
Mitchman705  [Member]
10/25/2010 7:50:38 PM
I've done a lot of research and haven't seen any text about pinning it yourself, but i mentioned it to my local gun shop about it and they were iffy about it, pretty much saying what i do in my home isn't their business. So if it comes to it i'll probably end up doing it, i just like to be extra careful, you never know who you might run into at the range with a keen eye.
NY_Shooter  [Team Member]
10/25/2010 8:23:45 PM
Originally Posted By Mitchman705:
I've done a lot of research and haven't seen any text about pinning it yourself, but i mentioned it to my local gun shop about it and they were iffy about it, pretty much saying what i do in my home isn't their business. So if it comes to it i'll probably end up doing it, i just like to be extra careful, you never know who you might run into at the range with a keen eye.


Oddly enough, gunstore employees are the last people I'd ask about gun laws. Sounds weird, but I know a lot of people here know what I'm talking about.

There's a "how-to" floating around the NY Hometown subforum here that shows how to pin a telescoping stock. I did it that way for all of my MOE stocks when I was in NY. (Again, there's no "approved" method for pinning stocks in NY) Just make damn sure it can't be telescoped without being damaged to the point of being unusable.
Mitchman705  [Member]
10/27/2010 6:04:56 PM
i find it interesting how every (including me) says that the stock needs to be pinned, or permenatly attached, things of that nature, when my M4 stock came from the factory pinned with only a screw that you can get out with a allen wrench.
NY_Shooter  [Member]
10/27/2010 9:32:13 PM
Originally Posted By Mitchman705:
i find it interesting how every (including me) says that the stock needs to be pinned, or permenatly attached, things of that nature, when my M4 stock came from the factory pinned with only a screw that you can get out with a allen wrench.


Right, but those factory pin jobs are on rifle length buffer tubes. It's not like you can collapse it like you can regular M4 stock on a carbine length tube.
Aimless  [Site Staff]
10/27/2010 9:54:26 PM

Originally Posted By Mitchman705:
i find it interesting how every (including me) says that the stock needs to be pinned, or permenatly attached, things of that nature, when my M4 stock came from the factory pinned with only a screw that you can get out with a allen wrench.

There were some stocks during the ban that could be altered if you removed a screw, I don't know ifthe batf said it was okay, but Fulton armory had something like that