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 Recommend me a solid 1-4x under $500
AR-Ryan21  [Team Member]
7/6/2012 11:25:00 AM EDT
I'm gonna be moving the CompM4s on one of my AR's over to a new build, and have decided to grab a 1-4x optic to replace it. At this point, I am leaning towards the Nikon M223 1-4x because at under $300, it should be dang tough to beat. I already own a 4-12x Nikon M223, and it's a crystal clear and solid optic.

I'm also looking at the Vortex 1-4x, but at around $500, is it really that much better than the Nikon? I could grab the Nikon and a LaRue mount for the same price that it would cost me just to get the Vortex.

Any other great 1-4x options out there that I'm missing under $500?
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cagusmc  [Member]
7/6/2012 11:37:32 AM EDT
I have a Tac30 and the MTac. Both are solid and under $500 with the Burris mount. Look at the reticle first to see if you like it. The center dot is a little large but works for me.
9divdoc  [Team Member]
7/6/2012 11:54:31 AM EDT
I like the PST 1-4 Viper but it is a tad heavy for my needs so I got the 1-4 VX-R also which is great little scope....but I want a bit more power on the upper end
for my 6.8 and decided to get the 2-7 VX-R

I dont think you can go wrong with either of those 1-4 scopes.
THEMAKKER13  [Member]
7/6/2012 12:03:39 PM EDT
I plan on buying a Leupold VXR. It seemed nice at Cabelas although I forget how much money it was. They have a pretty wide variety of models with different price points though.
AR18  [Member]
7/6/2012 12:58:30 PM EDT
How about primary arms.
jakerz  [Member]
7/6/2012 1:21:24 PM EDT
I'm not a huge fan of Nikon's reticle options. Vortex makes a great product and their customer service is second to none. Plus they have a no questions asked fully transferable lifetime warranty.
Couple that with the illuminated reticle that actually has useful mil measurements, and it's hard to beat.
I'm also a fan of the Burris XTR 1-4x with it's horseshoe reticle, but it's a little out of your price range of $500. Good luck.

tedness  [Member]
7/6/2012 1:27:37 PM EDT
Just picked up a Leupold Mark AR 1.5-4x20 and I love it. Haven't had a chance to shoot with it yet but it's lighter than the Nikon model by almost 5 ounces, plus the turrets aren't exposed and are more compact.

aguila327  [Team Member]
7/6/2012 2:18:52 PM EDT
I have a NIKON M223 1-4 and althought the glass is clear, I can't stand the turrets. They are always being nudged whether in the bag or just when mounting the weapon (sling and clothing sometimes rub againt turrets). My friend has the same issues with his.

If you are looking to stick around that price point I would go with the Leupold AR scope. Same price range equal if not better quality and as the above poster stated, 5oz. lighter
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TSegler  [Member]
7/6/2012 2:58:13 PM EDT
Im really happy with the leupold vx-r I have. I prefer an Illuminated reticle so its easier to pick up on 1x.
JCountz  [Member]
7/6/2012 3:24:40 PM EDT
I absolutely love the Vortex PST 1-4x. It has been by far one of my favorite optics to date. I would still have it, but I was made an offer on my rifle at a gun show I could not refuse.

I purchased it off the EE for $400 shipped. Great deal for a scope that you can thrash around and if it so happens to break (mine never did) Vortex will replace it with no hassle.
Hater  [Team Member]
7/6/2012 3:47:24 PM EDT
I just bought the MTAC from PSA for $319.99 shipped. Optics blowout was a 20% discount. Not sure if still in stock. Free shipping ends Sunday the 8th.
Direct-Drive  [Member]
7/6/2012 4:50:36 PM EDT
In that price point Vortex PST 1-4x rules.
ray9101  [Member]
7/6/2012 5:09:18 PM EDT
I think the more important thing is asking what is your intended purpose for this weapon and optic ? Range use and or training classes, law enforcement use? ShTF? Mission drives your gear. I like the Vortex optics. I have a 2.5 x 10 on my SPR. I am looking for a 1 x 4 for my next optic on one of my other rifles. They have a model with covered turrets if the optic will be used for any "hard use" and this is the one I will be getting. Is it a S&B, no but it's a great optic for the price. If you are looking for something down range is it the best optic, no prorbably not optimal, for law enforement, maybe; for everything else Vortex is an outstanding option.
SULL22  [Member]
7/6/2012 5:10:34 PM EDT
im in the same boat, here are some other options ive been looking into aside from the m223, which has been one of my frontrunners also

Burris MTAC Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 1-4x 24mm Illuminated Ballistic CQ Reticle (this reticle is a exclusive) $400
Leupold 67170 1.5-4x20 mark AR Riflescope $279
Sightmark Tactical Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 1.5-5x 30mm First Focal Mil-Dot Reticle Matte (still trying to learn more about the company and thier quality) $120

ive been looking at a bunch more 3-9 and larger magnifications but the ones i listed above are the ones in my list closer to what you're looking for. Good luck and keep us posted on what you decide on and your thoughts about it
JC77  [Member]
7/6/2012 5:25:05 PM EDT
hallstar606  [Member]
7/6/2012 5:36:01 PM EDT
this is a good topic. im thinking of switching from my exps eotech too a 1-4 and im looking in the same price range. i like that luepoldvx zombie edition they just did. there really sweet. always heard the vortex pst was nice as well. let us know what you go with and if you like it better then a red dot.
RUTGERS95  [Member]
7/6/2012 5:38:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Direct-Drive:
In that price point Vortex PST 1-4x rules. question about it. Just look at the reviews on snipershide and other places including here. Vortex pst 1-4 cannot be beat under $500

Bhart89  [Team Member]
7/6/2012 5:46:22 PM EDT
Bushnell elite 4200 shows up on for around $350 often
the_supreme_g33k  [Team Member]
7/6/2012 5:55:09 PM EDT
I just picked up a Burris TAC30 - very happy with it so far. The glass isn't perfect - but it works well enough for me. For the price I don't think you can really beat it, I do like the Ballistic CQ reticle after playing with it for a while. No problems on targets out to 300 yards - farthest I have had it so far.
zero88  [Member]
7/6/2012 6:27:25 PM EDT
I've got the Nikon 1-4 and no complaints so far. The reticle is nice for quick target acquisition and the glass seems to be great quality. I got mine when opticsplanet was giving the free mount with it so I got it for $289 shipped with mount... can't beat the price and for the purpose of my build (general use coyote/man killing, short-medium range) it's perfect
FNFalGuy  [Member]
7/6/2012 6:57:18 PM EDT
Primary Arms are good value optics that don't fall apart when you shoot them. Marshall is a great guy too!
Gone_Shootin  [Team Member]
7/6/2012 7:08:58 PM EDT
I have a Leupold VXIII w/Illuminated reticle that I picked up a few years ago for arpund $450 (I don't know what they go for now). I like it. It's just a basic crosshair with only the center portion lit up when you turn on the illumination, which goes from damn near invisible to fairly bright with 12 brightness settings.

I haven't gotten around to mounting it yet, so I can't give you much to go on, though.
yekimak  [Team Member]
7/6/2012 7:17:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FNFalGuy:
Primary Arms are good value optics that don't fall apart when you shoot them. Marshall is a great guy too!

Friend of mine has one and I have liked using it on his Saiga. Easy to get behind and use and didn't kill the budget.
Findsman  [Team Member]
7/6/2012 7:30:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By yekimak:
Originally Posted By FNFalGuy:
Primary Arms are good value optics that don't fall apart when you shoot them. Marshall is a great guy too!

Friend of mine has one and I have liked using it on his Saiga. Easy to get behind and use and didn't kill the budget.

They are decent budget optics. I have a 1-4 that used to be my on my SPR that I've since moved over to an A5-ish rifle. It held zero and was pretty solid. No, the glass isn't as good as Leupold or Nightforce or whatever, but for the price it is perfect. I've replaced it with a Primary 4-16 that I have yet to try out but it seems equally solid.

I'm just killing paper plates with possibility of varmint extermination so my needs aren't hardcore "to hell and back". I'd say Primary Arms works perfectly in that capacity or to validate that you like a concept before dumping big cash on it. I'm glad I bought the 1-4 for my SPR because I didn't like it there (wanted more magnification) and I would have been pissed if I had spent $700 for some high end optics. So I will try again with the 4-16 and move on.
j-place  [Member]
7/6/2012 7:45:02 PM EDT
I'm in the same boat for an affordable optic under 500. I've made my list down to GRSC 1-4, Leatherwood CMR, or the Vortex PST. The first two leave enought room for the RAMP mount and Primary arms micro dot in my budget. I am almost ready to jump on the GRSC but, I cannot find anyone that has one to give there opinion.
CIE  [Member]
7/6/2012 8:03:54 PM EDT
I have a Nikkon that I'm about to replace with a Leupold. No faults with the Nikkon, but the reticle is a bit basic. I'm going to move it to my dedicated .22.
TheOregonian  [Member]
7/6/2012 8:06:23 PM EDT
VX-R thru CTD...the SPR is a smidgen over $500 and the other reticles (other than the hog) are sub $500. I almost chose that but decidd to get the VX-6 with SPR but honestly not sure if it is worth the extra $$. But I went with the 'buy once, cry once' philosophy.
AR-Ryan21  [Team Member]
7/6/2012 10:05:23 PM EDT
A couple of my concerns have been mentioned thus far, and I'm now leaning towards the Vortex. While I'll still say that the Nikon M223 1-4 is an incredible value at under $300, I see its turrets potentially creating an issue in several scenarios. Its reticle is also not ideal in all environments.

For around $700-750, I think the Vortex with a LaRue SPR-E mount will more than get the job done. Should also make a nice RECCE out of the DD M4V5 I throw it on.
BobRoberts  [Team Member]
7/6/2012 11:05:02 PM EDT
so get the nikon without the exposed turrets and simple reticle

Monarch african

cml2501  [Member]
7/7/2012 8:26:55 AM EDT
The Leatherwood / Hi-Lux CMR is by far the best I've seen for the $$$. It was under $400

7/7/2012 8:52:03 AM EDT
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