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 Scope on carry handle-pros and cons
repeatoffender  [Member]
5/30/2012 11:39:46 AM
Hello. New AR haver and new to this site. I just bought a Windham R16M4A4T with a 16" barrel, carry handle, and fixed front site.
I want to mount a scope but I'm not sure of a few things.
It looks like a scope mounted on the carry handle will allow a clear view over the front site, but at the cost of needing a cheek pad, added weight, and making my gun too tall for its factory case - meaning more $$$ for a new case.
If I remove the carry handle and mount the scope onto the receiver (which is my preference), I'm not sure if the front site will interfere with the view out of the scope. I believe I have read that a fixed front site will not be a problem with a scope mounted on the upper, but I don't recall seeing any AR's wit this set-up. I would prefer to keep the fixed front site in place.
Any one have any experience with a scope/fixed front site?
Any pros or cons with a carry handle scope mount?
Any thoughts on just removing the front site and going scope only (this is not my preference)?
Commando_Guy  [Team Member]
5/30/2012 12:21:51 PM
Any higher magnification than 3x and you won't see the front sight at all.

Nick
Liquidmetal  [Team Member]
5/30/2012 12:59:01 PM

Originally Posted By Commando_Guy:

Any higher magnification than 3x and you won't see the front sight at all.

Been my experience as well. At 3x and above the FSB is no longer visible through the scope on my two rifles with fixed FSBs and variable scopes.
techbrute  [Team Member]
5/30/2012 2:29:25 PM
As others have said, the FSB is a non-issue in most cases. In my opinion, the offset that comes from carry handle mounting is a far greater issue.
alacop  [Member]
5/30/2012 4:13:18 PM
I can't get a cheekweld with a scope on a carry handle.
techbrute  [Team Member]
5/30/2012 4:30:43 PM
Originally Posted By alacop:
I can't get a cheekweld with a scope on a carry handle.


I think it's more of a "chinweld".
Espos1111  [Member]
5/30/2012 7:20:49 PM
Its really not that bad, using a scope on a carry handle, you just have to get used to the lack of cheek weld. If you put a scope on the flat top you will need a riser to get the scope at the right hight for the front sight. While true over 3x you will might see a slight blur at lower magnification you still needed to raise the scope slightly, .5 to .75 of an inch, to put the sight in the lower half of the scope picture. You usually need to do this anyway to clear the objective lens on the scope.
Just don't buy a carry handle only scope. They are usually on the cheap end of things and you you would be stuck with only one mounting option.
If I were you, with the option to remove the carry handle, I would get a quick release mount for a scope and if you want to shoot irons then simply remove the scope and reinstall the carry handle.
One exception to the carry handle only rule is a vintage 3 or 4x colt scope. I like those, can't afford one but like I like them.
RandyStacyE  [Member]
5/30/2012 8:18:20 PM
I personally don't see the point of installing an optic on any AR with a carry handle. It's just not ideal at all. That's why they make flat top upper receivers.

Whenever I use a scope on an AR I prefer to have folding BUIS and a free float hand guard. Just a personal preference. Whenever I see a AR with a scope and fixed front sight it looks like the scope was an afterthought.
repeatoffender  [Member]
5/30/2012 9:08:24 PM
Looks like I'm removing the carry handle! Thanks for the input.
BBoyd  [Team Member]
5/31/2012 8:38:33 AM
back when ar's started getting popular they ALL were mounted on the handle. not the perfect setup but very doable.
techbrute  [Team Member]
5/31/2012 9:55:47 AM
Originally Posted By BBoyd:
back when ar's started getting popular they ALL were mounted on the handle. not the perfect setup but very doable.


Back then, all they had were carry handles, so they realized how bad it was, and they subsequently developed the flat top.
Gregory_K  [Team Member]
5/31/2012 11:20:18 AM
Originally Posted By techbrute:
Originally Posted By BBoyd:
back when ar's started getting popular they ALL were mounted on the handle. not the perfect setup but very doable.


Back then, all they had were carry handles, so they realized how bad it was, and they subsequently developed the flat top.


+1 seen a few custom jobs where the carry handle was machined off and the upper was fitted with weaver bases using Flat head screws from the inside. Crude but worked.