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 Shotgun scope on an AR??
bartonmd  [Member]
2/19/2009 7:49:28 AM
OK, so I've got a question... thinking about the Bushnell Banner 1-4x shotgun scope, to temporarily put on my 16" AR (It'll be going on my 870 slug gun later, so I'm going to buy one anyway)... Before I get a higher dollar 1-4 (Weaver classic extreme, burris tactical, etc), I want to make sure with my cheapo shotgun scope, that I like using it...

My question is more about eye relief... This scope has a 4.3" eye relief, but does that mean that I would need to have it mounted VERY far forward to be at the sweet spot, or is 4.3" the "up to this point" relief? I guess I'm just asking if I can have it mounted in the standard position of a rifle scope or not?

Thanks,
Mike
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RRA15  [Member]
2/19/2009 8:57:55 AM
I have used a Simmons ProDiamond 1.5-5 in the past on my AR. I really can't say too much bad about it. I guess the lack of illumination was a slight drawback, I did shoot that setup in a dark shoot house without any problems w/ a TLR-1 for light.
RRA15
bartonmd  [Member]
2/19/2009 9:51:21 AM
Any issues with eye relief from having it at a normal rifle scope mounting location? (i.e. closer than 4" from your eye)

Mike
Aggie_Gunner  [Team Member]
2/19/2009 9:58:41 AM
I have two of them. They work well. Eye relief is not an issue.

- AG
bartonmd  [Member]
2/19/2009 12:33:05 PM
Very good to hear, thanks guys!

Mike
NVBGear  [Dealer]
2/19/2009 2:23:03 PM
Originally Posted By Aggie_Gunner:
I have two of them. They work well. Eye relief is not an issue.

- AG


Have several customers who have been running them for years.
SRacer2000  [Team Member]
2/19/2009 2:57:13 PM
I run a Nikon 2-7 Shotgun Scope on my Bushie, Works great and the eye relief is perfect for me.
maxicon  [Team Member]
2/19/2009 4:12:14 PM
What mounts are you guys running them in on your ARs?
SRacer2000  [Team Member]
2/19/2009 4:31:01 PM
Originally Posted By maxicon:
What mounts are you guys running them in on your ARs?


This is what I'm using for now. Not the best but it's held on for the past 8 months. Clickie

Aggie_Gunner  [Team Member]
2/19/2009 4:49:30 PM
Originally Posted By maxicon:
What mounts are you guys running them in on your ARs?


I simply use these Leupold rings... they are light, inexpensive, plenty tough and the height is perfect. I like how they look as well...



Leupold Rifleman Rings

Whenever someone asks me about putting some NcStar or Leapers POS on their AR I try to point them to this setup. I like a Bushnell Banner straight 4X or 1.5 - 4.5 wideangle in rifleman rings. Either setup runs south of $100, is rugged, and has totally useable glass. To me this is the only cheap optics setup that is worth a damn...

- AG
bartonmd  [Member]
2/19/2009 5:00:26 PM
I've got the ProMag mount on my 24" bull AR, holding a Bushnell Banner D&D 4-12x40AO... I like it...



Mike
madmanmarz  [Member]
2/19/2009 7:36:03 PM
I've got mine on an ADM RECON X (extended) and it's probably more forward than necessary. There is a lot of eye relief to work with on this scope. I shoot NTCH and need to clear a rear BUIS, so here is where I have mine;


mil247r973  [Team Member]
2/19/2009 7:40:44 PM
I had the very scope you are referring to and I had nothing but problems with it. POI moved depending upon the magnification selected. In the end I ended up giving it to my son as a toy and put a Leupold FX-II on my rifle and have never looked back. You get what you pay for and good optics cost good money.
Aggie_Gunner  [Team Member]
2/20/2009 9:51:57 AM
Originally Posted By mil247r973:
I had the very scope you are referring to and I had nothing but problems with it. POI moved depending upon the magnification selected. In the end I ended up giving it to my son as a toy and put a Leupold FX-II on my rifle and have never looked back. You get what you pay for and good optics cost good money.


That is interesting... I've never heard of a low power banner having POI shifting... THe higher power ones I don't know (glass isn't good enough for higher magnification IMHO anyway, at 4x acceptable, higher? not so much).

If you (meaning OP) have this concern, you could use the fixed 4x one. That is actually what I prefer. The Circle-x reticle is very fast to acquire, and there isn't really anything to break...

- AG

bartonmd  [Member]
2/20/2009 1:30:53 PM
I was actually suprised at how good a scope my 4-12x40AO Banner is... It doesn't change zero when changing magnification (it's less than 1MOA if it does), the settings are relitively repeatable, and I"ve shot it back to back with my dad's R700 with a Leupold 4-12x50 (with target turrets... I don't remember the model), and at 12x, the glass doesn't look perceptively different at 300 yards (in the daytime)... It may be farther out than that, but I haven't shot it out past that... It's bright enough to pop a groundhog at dusk, but I haven't had NV on it or anything...

I paid $80 for the scope, and I wouldn't feel ripped off if I had paid $250-300 for it (as long as it didn't say "banner" on it, that is)... It may just be that I got a good one, but I've been really happy with this particular scope...

Mike
maxicon  [Team Member]
2/20/2009 3:20:03 PM
Originally Posted By madmanmarz:
I've got mine on an ADM RECON X (extended) and it's probably more forward than necessary. There is a lot of eye relief to work with on this scope. I shoot NTCH and need to clear a rear BUIS, so here is where I have mine;

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6180/62713994br3.jpg


This is why I asked - I'm assuming shotgun scopes have longer eye relief than regular scopes, and getting enough forward offset is already an issue with AR scopes and mounts. Looks like yours is as far forward as it'll go. I like my scopes pretty far forward as well.

For the people using non-offset mounts for shotgun scopes, you must not be shooting NTCH or anywhere near it.

hogan  [Member]
2/23/2009 2:19:05 AM
I use a Nikon Monarch 1-4x shotgun scope w/turkey reticle in a Smith Entps A2 ch mount.
The reiticle is superb. Bright enough to use Bindon Aiming Concept when front lens is covered with a Butler Creek flip-up, in down position, jtbc. No eye relief problems, lots of aiming points due to the diamond & duplex reticle design. Reticle is Very Bright. Scope is short & lightweight with lots of reticle movement. Great optics for the money.
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