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 Best optics for a AR-15 Flat top - Eotech, aimpointM3 or Trijicon
szst8h  [Member]
11/26/2005 3:25:06 AM
Looking for a close in sight and ranges up to 300 yards. I have looked at EOtech and aimpoint, both are good optics. Both have pros and cons - battery life, easy sight picture - but I really don't like the size of the recticle MOA . Have you guys had any experience with the recticle to big for longer ranges? Also, who know something about trijicon scopes and which one is better for a flat top?

Thanks,
szst8h
new-arguy  [Moderator]
11/26/2005 9:36:38 AM
EoTech has a 1 moa dot. Thats about as small as a dot is going to get. New Aimpoints have a 2 moa dot. For an optic designed for speed, either of these will get you good hits on a man size target at 300 provided you do your share. If you want something a little better than "good hits" you'll probably want some magnification, like a ACOG. You will get increased accuracy potential, but you will have to learn to use BAC to maintain your speed. Some people pick it up quick, others take a while. But the ACOGs remain one of the very best general purpose optics you can get.
C4iGrant  [Dealer]
11/26/2005 9:45:17 AM

Originally Posted By new-arguy:
EoTech has a 1 moa dot. Thats about as small as a dot is going to get. New Aimpoints have a 2 moa dot. For an optic designed for speed, either of these will get you good hits on a man size target at 300 provided you do your share. If you want something a little better than "good hits" you'll probably want some magnification, like a ACOG. You will get increased accuracy potential, but you will have to learn to use BAC to maintain your speed. Some people pick it up quick, others take a while. But the ACOGs remain one of the very best general purpose optics you can get.



+1

Identify the average range you shoot at the most and then pick an optic that is best suited for that distance.

I personally like 1-4 variable scopes. I can use them on 1X for CQB and then dial up to 4X for mid-range shooting.

C4

www.GRTactical.com
eklikwhoa  [Team Member]
11/26/2005 9:56:21 AM
my personal favs.....



aimpoint for 1x
acog for magnified
sharkbait  [Member]
11/26/2005 2:31:24 PM
I,m solded on the Eotech-
gixxerguy  [Member]
11/26/2005 5:50:36 PM
I have not personally used the Aimpoint but I love my Leupold Mark 4 1-3x14mm CQ/T. Both, my Father and I have Mark 4's mounted atop our M15A4 Carbines. Use it at 1X for CQB or run them out to 3X for yardage. Has excellent battery life and very quick target acquisition. Also has 2ea NV compatable settings.

Learn more at: www.leupold.com/products/tactical_products/Leupold_Mark_4_CQT.htm

I don't think a person could go wrong with this setup.

Capn_Crunch  [Member]
11/26/2005 6:27:01 PM
I like the Short Dot for what you describe, but you cannot go wrong with the Aimpoint 2MOA.

The ACOG is a good optic, as is the Accupoint. You can't go wrong with the Aimpoint, ACOG, etc.
fq1234  [Team Member]
11/27/2005 1:16:45 AM
IMHO the Eotech is the best at close range. It has a 1MOA dot surrounded by a 65MOA circle. This allows you to pick up the target very quickly.

I was at the range today shooting my 9mm AR with 4" barrel. The other guys at the range couldn't believe how accuratly I was shooting it at 25 yards. I was dumping a 25 round mag in about 5-10 seconds. I was using an eotech. All rounds (I believe) hit the 8 inch paper plate, most very close to the center. I also shoot my 10.5 inch 5.56 upper at my father-in-law's range. It is about 141 yards. With the Eotech's 1MOA dot and the 10.5 inch upper, I consistently get 2-3 inch groups (and I am more of a speed shooter than an accuracy shooter).

My vote is for the Eotech. I have no experience with the Acog but I have tried the aimpoint. IMO, the aimpoint had a smaller FOV and a larger dot. I didn't feel as though I could see the target well.
danhits  [Team Member]
11/27/2005 3:52:24 AM
Indoors, room to room and 0-50 yds outdoors = Eotech. Excellent CQB optic.
Indoors, room to room and 0-200 yds = Aimpoint. Outstanding combat optic.
Outdoors 0-400 yds, ACOG (Many models). Most duable combat optic made.
Outdoors, Accuracy shooting 100-600 yds, Leupold, Nightforce, US Optics.
These are all well made and reliable optics.
Your choice will depend on your needs.
Eventually you will own at least one of each.
zinzac  [Member]
11/27/2005 5:20:04 AM
I've shot with all three. Still think EOTec is the best.

Aimpoint is what I carried in Iraq. Never had a problem and never changed the batteries. It was rugged, never lost zero even with the cantillever. Most guys took out the light filter. Sometimes in the bright sun you could loose the dot.

ACOG is good for longer shots, but for ME it was hard to shoot both eyes open. The 4X power screwed with my eyes. I couldn't focus on target and stuff around me. I never felt it was a real reflex weapon sight.

EOTech is what I bought for my CAR-15. $250 at sportsmansguide. My buddy cracked his window in an IED blast and could still use it. It doesn't come close to the battery life of Aimpoint, even with the new AA battery model. I've got mine sighted in at 100yds. I haven't taken a shot past 200, but I'm confident it could make a 300yds shot with ease. At 200 it is easy to see and hit the target. Easier than the Aimpoint.

All of them are good scopes. It comes down to personal preference and how much you can spend. I will say this as a former Marine. Marines Corps is cheap and would only spend money on something they believe is worth the price and truely need. They have resently bought EOTechs to be tested in Iraq and Afghanistan. SOCOM also picked up a them for their troops. When the big boys go to play, they bring EOTechs.
Submariner  [Member]
11/27/2005 8:13:08 AM

Originally Posted By zinzac:
I will say this as a former Marine. Marines Corps is cheap and would only spend money on something they believe is worth the price and truely need. They have resently bought EOTechs to be tested in Iraq and Afghanistan. SOCOM also picked up a them for their troops. When the big boys go to play, they bring EOTechs.



Not cheap, frugal, i.e. buying value. After issuing 5000 Advanced Combat Optical sights (TA31F), they just made a 60,000+ purchase of RCO's. Not cheap.
STLRN  [Team Member]
11/27/2005 8:18:23 AM

Originally Posted By zinzac:
Marines Corps is cheap and would only spend money on something they believe is worth the price and truely need. They have resently bought EOTechs to be tested in Iraq and Afghanistan. SOCOM also picked up a them for their troops. When the big boys go to play, they bring EOTechs.



The Marine Corps didn't buy EO-TECHs for testing, it bought EO-TECHs as part of two things the first being to fill an Urgent Fielding request to make up for shortages of optical sights and second as part of the CQB Weapons Suites.
Tweak  [Team Member]
11/27/2005 8:21:02 AM

Originally Posted By szst8h:
Looking for a close in sight and ranges up to 300 yards.



what size/type target?
zinzac  [Member]
11/27/2005 11:40:21 PM
I stand corrected. Last word I got was the Marines were still evaluatimg it. I guess that s how bad info is started.

Frugal is a great word. I am constantly reminded by my girlfriend how cheap I am. Next time I will tell her I'm "Semper Frugal."
szst8h  [Member]
11/28/2005 10:29:58 PM
Which model of the ACOG do you see the most and the best all around sighting sytem?
I really like the ACOG, but the price - Do you guys know where the best place is to purchase a ACOG for a decent price and service too?

Thanks for the help guys!
szst8h
Indiana

- Can you guys see a BIG difference between the AimPoint M3 versus the M2 model?I shot the M2 model and really liked it. I still keep going back to the EOtech in the back of my mind. Money is always the problem, I'm sure I'm the only one that has that trouble - Scope $ DA#$ How much for that MOUNT !!!

OUT !