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H&K 416 Mag ?
2/29/2012 2:56:32 PM
OK I will admit to having tried the search funtion with -0- results. Now, what is the trick to taking the sob apart.
2/29/2012 4:27:19 PM
2/29/2012 4:43:04 PM
Thank You. Leave it to the germans at H&K to OVER engineer s.........ah......tuff!
2/29/2012 9:11:38 PM
Originally Posted By TnHawk-45:
Thank You. Leave it to the germans at H&K to OVER engineer s.........ah......tuff!
Thank You. Leave it to the germans at H&K to OVER engineer s.........ah......tuff!
Over proced POS mags that only work decently when theyre new.
You can get 3-4 pmags or lancers for the price of one hk mag and both will outlast the hk mag easily
2/29/2012 9:20:49 PM
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Over proced POS mags that only work decently when theyre new.
You can get 3-4 pmags or lancers for the price of one hk mag and both will outlast the hk mag easily
Originally Posted By TnHawk-45:
Thank You. Leave it to the germans at H&K to OVER engineer s.........ah......tuff!
Thank You. Leave it to the germans at H&K to OVER engineer s.........ah......tuff!
Over proced POS mags that only work decently when theyre new.
You can get 3-4 pmags or lancers for the price of one hk mag and both will outlast the hk mag easily
Pmags took 5 revisions before they got it right....
VN Era Contract FTW
2/29/2012 9:58:55 PM
Originally Posted By RenegadeX:
Pmags took 5 revisions before they got it right....
VN Era Contract FTW
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Over proced POS mags that only work decently when theyre new.
You can get 3-4 pmags or lancers for the price of one hk mag and both will outlast the hk mag easily
Originally Posted By TnHawk-45:
Thank You. Leave it to the germans at H&K to OVER engineer s.........ah......tuff!
Thank You. Leave it to the germans at H&K to OVER engineer s.........ah......tuff!
Over proced POS mags that only work decently when theyre new.
You can get 3-4 pmags or lancers for the price of one hk mag and both will outlast the hk mag easily
Pmags took 5 revisions before they got it right....
VN Era Contract FTW
5 revisions???
You sure? I hate to say it but HK mags suck
and like i said, i can get 3-4 pmags or lancers for the price of 1 hk mag and the polymer ones will far outlast it
3/1/2012 12:56:34 AM
The hk mag is a collectable.
I use my pmags when I need a reliable magazine.
I use my pmags when I need a reliable magazine.
3/1/2012 3:42:49 AM
Bought a used one on the ee just to see for myself what all the noise about them was. Luckily I don't go in harms way anymore so I can spend my time evaluating various mags so my son does not get screwed when he goes in harms way with them.
Just glad I could get the bottom off so I do not have to cut it in half like the PALM one I did.
So far it does not appear too bad, other than getting the bottom off and on is a pain in the ass.
Just glad I could get the bottom off so I do not have to cut it in half like the PALM one I did.
So far it does not appear too bad, other than getting the bottom off and on is a pain in the ass.
3/1/2012 6:02:10 AM
Originally Posted By RenegadeX:
VN Era Contract FTW
VN Era Contract FTW
Yep. They're like the Timex watch and Energizer Bunny of the mag world.
They're just "out of vogue" to a lot of folks.
Simply not the latest and coolest thing out there.
But still the best.
3/1/2012 12:26:26 PM
Originally Posted By RenegadeX:
Pmags took 5 revisions before they got it right....
VN Era Contract FTW
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Over proced POS mags that only work decently when theyre new.
You can get 3-4 pmags or lancers for the price of one hk mag and both will outlast the hk mag easily
Originally Posted By TnHawk-45:
Thank You. Leave it to the germans at H&K to OVER engineer s.........ah......tuff!
Thank You. Leave it to the germans at H&K to OVER engineer s.........ah......tuff!
Over proced POS mags that only work decently when theyre new.
You can get 3-4 pmags or lancers for the price of one hk mag and both will outlast the hk mag easily
Pmags took 5 revisions before they got it right....
VN Era Contract FTW
The PMags are in a constant state of revision (like all Magpul products). As new information is gathered from testing and feedback from the field, it is incorporated into the design in the form of inline changes. This is the process of "constant and never ending improvement"
In the last five years we have had only two major variants after the preproduction test release, the original PMag in mid 2007 and the MRev released in late 2008. The M3 due to be released soon will be the third major revision but the original MRevs will continue as part of the Magpul catalog.
3/1/2012 12:34:57 PM
Originally Posted By Gator57:
Yep. They're like the Timex watch and Energizer Bunny of the mag world.
They're just "out of vogue" to a lot of folks.
Simply not the latest and coolest thing out there.
But still the best.
Originally Posted By RenegadeX:
VN Era Contract FTW
VN Era Contract FTW
Yep. They're like the Timex watch and Energizer Bunny of the mag world.
They're just "out of vogue" to a lot of folks.
Simply not the latest and coolest thing out there.
But still the best.
Don't make me post "the list" again
20 years ago when I carried a M16A2 service rifle for a living it was common knowledge that the USGI M16 magazine was the weakest point of the whole system. This was confirmed every time we headed to the range.
The USGIs lack of development in the first 30 years had more to do with government procurement incompetency than it's "genius design".
3/1/2012 12:37:10 PM
Originally Posted By Magpul:
Don't make me post "the list" again
20 years ago when I carried a M16A2 service rifle for a living it was common knowledge that the USGI M16 magazine was the weakest point of the whole system. This was confirmed every time we headed to the range.
The USGIs lack of development in the first 30 years had more to do government procurement incompetency than it's "genius design".
Originally Posted By Gator57:
Yep. They're like the Timex watch and Energizer Bunny of the mag world.
They're just "out of vogue" to a lot of folks.
Simply not the latest and coolest thing out there.
But still the best.
Originally Posted By RenegadeX:
VN Era Contract FTW
VN Era Contract FTW
Yep. They're like the Timex watch and Energizer Bunny of the mag world.
They're just "out of vogue" to a lot of folks.
Simply not the latest and coolest thing out there.
But still the best.
Don't make me post "the list" again
20 years ago when I carried a M16A2 service rifle for a living it was common knowledge that the USGI M16 magazine was the weakest point of the whole system. This was confirmed every time we headed to the range.
The USGIs lack of development in the first 30 years had more to do government procurement incompetency than it's "genius design".
I hate your list, but i honestly think we are in a need for it.
Pmags and lancers for life
I honestly wish the military would ditch the gi mags and issue pmags and lancers
Then we would see far less reports of M4's malfunctioning
3/1/2012 12:45:29 PM
I have to give Magpul credit. They DO listen at least and do their best to improve their mags. At least that is what I'm told by those I trust. For that, Thank You.
A Magpul is also on my list to test, one of these days. So many toys, so little time.
I do know I like Magpul followers. Now what is this 'LIST' you speak of?
A Magpul is also on my list to test, one of these days. So many toys, so little time.
I do know I like Magpul followers. Now what is this 'LIST' you speak of?
3/1/2012 2:44:18 PM
Originally Posted By TnHawk-45:
I have to give Magpul credit. They DO listen at least and do their best to improve their mags. At least that is what I'm told by those I trust. For that, Thank You.
A Magpul is also on my list to test, one of these days. So many toys, so little time.
I do know I like Magpul followers. Now what is this 'LIST' you speak of?
I have to give Magpul credit. They DO listen at least and do their best to improve their mags. At least that is what I'm told by those I trust. For that, Thank You.
A Magpul is also on my list to test, one of these days. So many toys, so little time.
I do know I like Magpul followers. Now what is this 'LIST' you speak of?
Here is the list
The PMags have been fielded in the millions in both Iraq and Afghanistan and out number all other polymer magazines used, combined, by a large margin. So we have a lot of data to compare to the PMags to USGI issue.
To many people one magazine is just like another. God and the Devil are in the details. Here are some differences that may (or may not) be important to you. There is probably more but these are some that popped into my head awhile back. NOTE: In quantity the Mags costs the US government the same as a USGI ALU magazine.
PMag internal geometry uses an aggressive constant curve to improve reliability (the USGI has a curved then straight section to work with the M16 straight mag well)
PMag has a corrosive resistant stainless steel spring, USGI uses stock music wire
PMag has a 4 way anti tilt follower as standard (only very recent USGI mags have this)
PMag has a floorplate that is easier to remove and more robust than a USGI
PMag body has better crush strength than a USGI
PMag feedlips have better impact strength than a USGI
In combat deployment after-action reports, the PMag far out lasts USGI mags in theater.
PMag is functional after a 500 hour simulated salt spray test (the USGI fails)
PMag has a dust cover (that is optional) but will keep dust and debris out of the magazine during long term storage.
PMag has a much, much lower IR signature than a USGI
PMag body is easier to handle in both extreme hot and cold temperatures.
PMag has color options and it's color is embedded. USGI finish can wear off.
PMag has an option for a round cound window that can read rounds remaining obscured by the magazine well.
All PMags go through the same QC control (internal and external drop free gauge check for EVERY magazine that leaves the factory)
Not all USGI mags are built for the US GOV and not all a built to remotely similar standards.
It is also worth noting that PMags are in a constant state of revision based upon feedback we receive and new production methods. While the PMag retains the same basic look it started with, it has been continually updated and it's performance far out shines the original from 5 years ago.
The newest generation PMag, the M3, which was shown at SHOT last week is the strongest by far. It has the additional benefits of being fully compatible with the the HK 416, SA80A2 and the FN SCAR. It also has a slim line floorplate option, additional gripping texture and a paint pen matrix for individually marking your magazines.
Polymer is progress
3/1/2012 2:48:09 PM
Originally Posted By Magpul:
Don't make me post "the list" again
20 years ago when I carried a M16A2 service rifle for a living it was common knowledge that the USGI M16 magazine was the weakest point of the whole system. This was confirmed every time we headed to the range.
The USGIs lack of development in the first 30 years had more to do with government procurement incompetency than it's "genius design".
Don't make me post "the list" again
20 years ago when I carried a M16A2 service rifle for a living it was common knowledge that the USGI M16 magazine was the weakest point of the whole system. This was confirmed every time we headed to the range.
The USGIs lack of development in the first 30 years had more to do with government procurement incompetency than it's "genius design".
Oh jeezzzzz......puhleeze, stop with the frigging list already!!!!
You make up your list touting all your virtues, so suddenly it's "the truth"?
All while you still discount the USGI item as "inferior".
Yet 50 years later we're still successfully using those miserable failures by the millions....but somehow yours are better?
I served. Like a lot of guys here. And I had minimal issues with the equipment I was issued.
And if you had issues "every time you went to the range" with issued mags, either the trainer or the trainee needed some significant help.
Something is terribly wrong with that scenario.
And I'd be willing to bet that if Pmags were issued in the same numbers as current USGI mags, were treated the same as current mags,
they would have equal or even higher failure rates as current issue mags.
But, we'll probably never know, so that's that.
So, personally, "the list" is nothing more than a sales pitch.
I'm beginning to believe you're more closely related to Billy Mays than PT Barnum.
But thanks for nagging another post of mine.
At least you're consistent.
3/1/2012 2:51:26 PM
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Here is the list........
.....Polymer is progress
Here is the list........
.....Polymer is progress
And there 'ya go.
Just had to do it, didn't 'ya.
Now I gotta start drinking before 5:00.....again.
Sheesh!
3/1/2012 2:58:04 PM
Gator, your inability to observe the issues that are widely known is a private problem not a public one.
3/1/2012 3:56:31 PM
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Gator, your inability to observe the issues that are widely known is a private problem not a public one.
Gator, your inability to observe the issues that are widely known is a private problem not a public one.
Pardon me, and please excuse my ignorance, but just exactly what does that mean?
What issues are you alluding to?
And what "private problem"?
Please elaborate.
3/1/2012 4:03:32 PM
It means unfuck yourself so you can see what everyone else sees. USGI magazines are the cause of every malfunction I've had since 2005 with the exception of issues with non military ammunition issues.
3/1/2012 4:14:23 PM
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
It means unfuck yourself so you can see what everyone else sees. USGI magazines are the cause of every malfunction I've had since 2005 with the exception of issues with non military ammunition issues.
It means unfuck yourself so you can see what everyone else sees. USGI magazines are the cause of every malfunction I've had since 2005 with the exception of issues with non military ammunition issues.
Cool off, Jack. and try really hard to get over yourself, OK?
And let me enlighten you there pal, I really don't need "unfucked", OK?
I'm aware of the "issues", I just think they're being overstated and deceitfully misrepresented.
And not "everyone else" sees it apparently.
So, hero, do you have problems every time you go to the range? Hmmmm......?
Now, mind your own effen' business, and move on.
Capiche?
Thanks for your cooperation.
And if the Magpul reps would stay the hell out of the Lancer threads, and the HK threads, they'd look a lot more professional.
And, once again, the ass-wads at Magpul have singled me out again, when I wasn't even talking about them.
But since so many others apparently could benefit from a bit of the aforementioned unfucking, that probably won't be noticed.
3/1/2012 4:19:15 PM
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Here is the list
The PMags have been fielded in the millions in both Iraq and Afghanistan and out number all other polymer magazines used, combined, by a large margin. So we have a lot of data to compare to the PMags to USGI issue.
To many people one magazine is just like another. God and the Devil are in the details. Here are some differences that may (or may not) be important to you. There is probably more but these are some that popped into my head awhile back. NOTE: In quantity the Mags costs the US government the same as a USGI ALU magazine.
PMag internal geometry uses an aggressive constant curve to improve reliability (the USGI has a curved then straight section to work with the M16 straight mag well)
PMag has a corrosive resistant stainless steel spring, USGI uses stock music wire
PMag has a 4 way anti tilt follower as standard (only very recent USGI mags have this)
PMag has a floorplate that is easier to remove and more robust than a USGI
PMag body has better crush strength than a USGI
PMag feedlips have better impact strength than a USGI
In combat deployment after-action reports, the PMag far out lasts USGI mags in theater.
PMag is functional after a 500 hour simulated salt spray test (the USGI fails)
PMag has a dust cover (that is optional) but will keep dust and debris out of the magazine during long term storage.
PMag has a much, much lower IR signature than a USGI
PMag body is easier to handle in both extreme hot and cold temperatures.
PMag has color options and it's color is embedded. USGI finish can wear off.
PMag has an option for a round cound window that can read rounds remaining obscured by the magazine well.
All PMags go through the same QC control (internal and external drop free gauge check for EVERY magazine that leaves the factory)
Not all USGI mags are built for the US GOV and not all a built to remotely similar standards.
It is also worth noting that PMags are in a constant state of revision based upon feedback we receive and new production methods. While the PMag retains the same basic look it started with, it has been continually updated and it's performance far out shines the original from 5 years ago.
The newest generation PMag, the M3, which was shown at SHOT last week is the strongest by far. It has the additional benefits of being fully compatible with the the HK 416, SA80A2 and the FN SCAR. It also has a slim line floorplate option, additional gripping texture and a paint pen matrix for individually marking your magazines.
Polymer is progress
Originally Posted By TnHawk-45:
I have to give Magpul credit. They DO listen at least and do their best to improve their mags. At least that is what I'm told by those I trust. For that, Thank You.
A Magpul is also on my list to test, one of these days. So many toys, so little time.
I do know I like Magpul followers. Now what is this 'LIST' you speak of?
I have to give Magpul credit. They DO listen at least and do their best to improve their mags. At least that is what I'm told by those I trust. For that, Thank You.
A Magpul is also on my list to test, one of these days. So many toys, so little time.
I do know I like Magpul followers. Now what is this 'LIST' you speak of?
Here is the list
The PMags have been fielded in the millions in both Iraq and Afghanistan and out number all other polymer magazines used, combined, by a large margin. So we have a lot of data to compare to the PMags to USGI issue.
To many people one magazine is just like another. God and the Devil are in the details. Here are some differences that may (or may not) be important to you. There is probably more but these are some that popped into my head awhile back. NOTE: In quantity the Mags costs the US government the same as a USGI ALU magazine.
PMag internal geometry uses an aggressive constant curve to improve reliability (the USGI has a curved then straight section to work with the M16 straight mag well)
PMag has a corrosive resistant stainless steel spring, USGI uses stock music wire
PMag has a 4 way anti tilt follower as standard (only very recent USGI mags have this)
PMag has a floorplate that is easier to remove and more robust than a USGI
PMag body has better crush strength than a USGI
PMag feedlips have better impact strength than a USGI
In combat deployment after-action reports, the PMag far out lasts USGI mags in theater.
PMag is functional after a 500 hour simulated salt spray test (the USGI fails)
PMag has a dust cover (that is optional) but will keep dust and debris out of the magazine during long term storage.
PMag has a much, much lower IR signature than a USGI
PMag body is easier to handle in both extreme hot and cold temperatures.
PMag has color options and it's color is embedded. USGI finish can wear off.
PMag has an option for a round cound window that can read rounds remaining obscured by the magazine well.
All PMags go through the same QC control (internal and external drop free gauge check for EVERY magazine that leaves the factory)
Not all USGI mags are built for the US GOV and not all a built to remotely similar standards.
It is also worth noting that PMags are in a constant state of revision based upon feedback we receive and new production methods. While the PMag retains the same basic look it started with, it has been continually updated and it's performance far out shines the original from 5 years ago.
The newest generation PMag, the M3, which was shown at SHOT last week is the strongest by far. It has the additional benefits of being fully compatible with the the HK 416, SA80A2 and the FN SCAR. It also has a slim line floorplate option, additional gripping texture and a paint pen matrix for individually marking your magazines.
Polymer is progress
Not you now too....
3/1/2012 4:23:42 PM
Originally Posted By WI57:
Not you now too....
Not you now too....
Apparently it's infectious.
Probably the fumes.
3/1/2012 4:52:55 PM
Military PIPs for the M4 magazine is an indication of an issue with them. Frankly if you thrown them out regularly they arent so bad.
Directions to discontinue use of the HK HRM are another clue.
Directions to discontinue use of the HK HRM are another clue.
3/1/2012 5:32:20 PM
Originally Posted By WI57:
Not you now too....
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Here is the list
The PMags have been fielded in the millions in both Iraq and Afghanistan and out number all other polymer magazines used, combined, by a large margin. So we have a lot of data to compare to the PMags to USGI issue.
To many people one magazine is just like another. God and the Devil are in the details. Here are some differences that may (or may not) be important to you. There is probably more but these are some that popped into my head awhile back. NOTE: In quantity the Mags costs the US government the same as a USGI
Polymer is progress
Originally Posted By TnHawk-45:
I have to give Magpul credit. They DO listen at least and do their best to improve their mags. At least that is what I'm told by those I trust. For that, Thank You.
A Magpul is also on my list to test, one of these days. So many toys, so little time.
I do know I like Magpul followers. Now what is this 'LIST' you speak of?
I have to give Magpul credit. They DO listen at least and do their best to improve their mags. At least that is what I'm told by those I trust. For that, Thank You.
A Magpul is also on my list to test, one of these days. So many toys, so little time.
I do know I like Magpul followers. Now what is this 'LIST' you speak of?
Here is the list
The PMags have been fielded in the millions in both Iraq and Afghanistan and out number all other polymer magazines used, combined, by a large margin. So we have a lot of data to compare to the PMags to USGI issue.
To many people one magazine is just like another. God and the Devil are in the details. Here are some differences that may (or may not) be important to you. There is probably more but these are some that popped into my head awhile back. NOTE: In quantity the Mags costs the US government the same as a USGI
Polymer is progress
Not you now too....
hahahaa im sorry i couldnt resist, it didnt take much looking to find that and quote it lol
Im still a lancer guy by heart.
3/1/2012 5:37:26 PM
Originally Posted By Gator57:
Cool off, Jack. and try really hard to get over yourself, OK?
And let me enlighten you there pal, I really don't need "unfucked", OK?
I'm aware of the "issues", I just think they're being overstated and deceitfully misrepresented.
And not "everyone else" sees it apparently.
So, hero, do you have problems every time you go to the range? Hmmmm......?
Now, mind your own effen' business, and move on.
Capiche?
Thanks for your cooperation.
And if the Magpul reps would stay the hell out of the Lancer threads, and the HK threads, they'd look a lot more professional.
And, once again, the ass-wads at Magpul have singled me out again, when I wasn't even talking about them.
But since so many others apparently could benefit from a bit of the aforementioned unfucking, that probably won't be noticed.
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
It means unfuck yourself so you can see what everyone else sees. USGI magazines are the cause of every malfunction I've had since 2005 with the exception of issues with non military ammunition issues.
It means unfuck yourself so you can see what everyone else sees. USGI magazines are the cause of every malfunction I've had since 2005 with the exception of issues with non military ammunition issues.
Cool off, Jack. and try really hard to get over yourself, OK?
And let me enlighten you there pal, I really don't need "unfucked", OK?
I'm aware of the "issues", I just think they're being overstated and deceitfully misrepresented.
And not "everyone else" sees it apparently.
So, hero, do you have problems every time you go to the range? Hmmmm......?
Now, mind your own effen' business, and move on.
Capiche?
Thanks for your cooperation.
And if the Magpul reps would stay the hell out of the Lancer threads, and the HK threads, they'd look a lot more professional.
And, once again, the ass-wads at Magpul have singled me out again, when I wasn't even talking about them.
But since so many others apparently could benefit from a bit of the aforementioned unfucking, that probably won't be noticed.
Sigh... And yet calling us "ass-wads" is professional?
I hate to engage in diatribe but I will state that our comparison list is factual, not deceitful misrepresentation. Also, we've never said the USGI mag is worthless. It functions OK and has served for a number of decades. However, the PMAG (and a number of other quality mags) can provide increased durability, reliability, and feature set if those qualities are important to you.
Additionally, we only pop in to these other threads when OUR products are mentioned and we need to provide clarifications. Besides, this is an open general magazine technical forum and not an industry forum...
3/1/2012 5:55:44 PM
Originally Posted By Justin-Beard:
Sigh... And yet calling us "ass-wads" is professional?
I hate to engage in diatribe but I will state that our comparison list is factual, not deceitful misrepresentation. Also, we do not say the USGI mag is worthless as it has functioned ok for a number of decades. However, the PMAG (and a number of other quality mags) can provide increased durability, reliability, and feature set if those qualities are important to you.
Additionally, we only pop in to these other threads when OUR products are mentioned and we need to provide clarifications. Besides, this is an open general magazine technical forum and not an industry forum...
Sigh... And yet calling us "ass-wads" is professional?
I hate to engage in diatribe but I will state that our comparison list is factual, not deceitful misrepresentation. Also, we do not say the USGI mag is worthless as it has functioned ok for a number of decades. However, the PMAG (and a number of other quality mags) can provide increased durability, reliability, and feature set if those qualities are important to you.
Additionally, we only pop in to these other threads when OUR products are mentioned and we need to provide clarifications. Besides, this is an open general magazine technical forum and not an industry forum...
OK. For one, I don't claim to be a professional. I am not a vendor, nor a site sponsor.
I am just an individual, stating my opinion. That's all.
So, what I say could, and in many cases should, be ignored.
Besides...I was provoked....
As for the so called improvements, they're not that important to me, because I don't have problem with the originals.
And the proof of said improvements is still out there somewhere.
Once again it's the US government you need to convince. Not me.
And as for "popping in", I don't recall mentioning "Magpul" nor "Pmag" in this thread, but once again I got quoted and threatened with "the list". (Dear God...Nooooo!!!!!)..
But I do believe you guys are getting just a bit defensive, and a might bit touchy.
And to me, again just an opinion, that comes off as less than professional.
Again, I'll make the point that I have never made any claims that your products are bad in any way. At least not to my recollection.
In fact I've made statements to the benefits and quality of your stuff, specifically the Pmags.
So, I'm not a Magpul nor Pmag "hater". Honestly, I'm not.
Now, can we all just loosen up our shorts just a bit and relax?
3/1/2012 9:29:53 PM
To be standard issue you would have to be tough in all climates. There is definitely a weakness with those thin polymer lips and rear of feed lips in frozen impact....truth.
The AR well was designed for thin metal, a g36 well was designed for polymer. They are very different for a reason.
I've now seen disposable polymer blades knives, is that progress.
I bet the HK mag would outlast pmags in frozen conditions. I've never seen an HK mag split but their lips can bend kind of easy, but you can bend them back
The AR well was designed for thin metal, a g36 well was designed for polymer. They are very different for a reason.
I've now seen disposable polymer blades knives, is that progress.
I bet the HK mag would outlast pmags in frozen conditions. I've never seen an HK mag split but their lips can bend kind of easy, but you can bend them back
3/1/2012 11:57:40 PM
Originally Posted By hoodornament96:
To be standard issue you would have to be tough in all climates. There is definitely a weakness with those thin polymer lips and rear of feed lips in frozen impact....truth.
The AR well was designed for thin metal, a g36 well was designed for polymer. They are very different for a reason.
I've now seen disposable polymer blades knives, is that progress.
I bet the HK mag would outlast pmags in frozen conditions. I've never seen an HK mag split but their lips can bend kind of easy, but you can bend them back
To be standard issue you would have to be tough in all climates. There is definitely a weakness with those thin polymer lips and rear of feed lips in frozen impact....truth.
The AR well was designed for thin metal, a g36 well was designed for polymer. They are very different for a reason.
I've now seen disposable polymer blades knives, is that progress.
I bet the HK mag would outlast pmags in frozen conditions. I've never seen an HK mag split but their lips can bend kind of easy, but you can bend them back
Nothing is infallible, but we've got millions of our mags fielded with active duty military units worldwide and they tend to hold up well in adverse environments:
-30 F Magpul PMag M loaded drop test
Alaskacajun's P Mag test
3/2/2012 1:15:08 AM
Originally Posted By Justin-Beard:
Nothing is infallible, but we've got millions of our mags fielded with active duty military units worldwide and they tend to hold up well in adverse environments:
-30 F Magpul PMag M loaded drop test
Alaskacajun's P Mag test
Originally Posted By hoodornament96:
To be standard issue you would have to be tough in all climates. There is definitely a weakness with those thin polymer lips and rear of feed lips in frozen impact....truth.
The AR well was designed for thin metal, a g36 well was designed for polymer. They are very different for a reason.
I've now seen disposable polymer blades knives, is that progress.
I bet the HK mag would outlast pmags in frozen conditions. I've never seen an HK mag split but their lips can bend kind of easy, but you can bend them back
To be standard issue you would have to be tough in all climates. There is definitely a weakness with those thin polymer lips and rear of feed lips in frozen impact....truth.
The AR well was designed for thin metal, a g36 well was designed for polymer. They are very different for a reason.
I've now seen disposable polymer blades knives, is that progress.
I bet the HK mag would outlast pmags in frozen conditions. I've never seen an HK mag split but their lips can bend kind of easy, but you can bend them back
Nothing is infallible, but we've got millions of our mags fielded with active duty military units worldwide and they tend to hold up well in adverse environments:
-30 F Magpul PMag M loaded drop test
Alaskacajun's P Mag test
excellent videos.
honestly Polymer mags do trump aluminum mags which IMO run better than HK mags
between lancers and Pmags there is no real reason to use aluminum
3/2/2012 9:22:56 AM
That was supposed to show something, that video shows a mag falling from about 6 inches, the other one is filled with questions about the operator. You would think you would have piles of video testing in the extreme cold and that must not be so if you're pumping that. Polymer has serious limits. Thin wall and extreme cold are not good with polymer. I'm not gonna say HK mag is the best available, lancer probably is, but it will certainly operate with enough speed for a suppressed 416 which pmags have problems with. Hkpro is a better place to get this opinion.
3/2/2012 10:07:12 AM
Originally Posted By hoodornament96:
That was supposed to show something, that video shows a mag falling from about 6 inches, the other one is filled with questions about the operator. You would think you would have piles of video testing in the extreme cold and that must not be so if you're pumping that. Polymer has serious limits. Thin wall and extreme cold are not good with polymer. I'm not gonna say HK mag is the best available, lancer probably is, but it will certainly operate with enough speed for a suppressed 416 which pmags have problems with. Hkpro is a better place to get this opinion.
That was supposed to show something, that video shows a mag falling from about 6 inches, the other one is filled with questions about the operator. You would think you would have piles of video testing in the extreme cold and that must not be so if you're pumping that. Polymer has serious limits. Thin wall and extreme cold are not good with polymer. I'm not gonna say HK mag is the best available, lancer probably is, but it will certainly operate with enough speed for a suppressed 416 which pmags have problems with. Hkpro is a better place to get this opinion.
Hkpro believe the HK mag is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
That website is horribly full of fanboys who breath eat and sleep hk. I have found very little actual knowledge there. Those are the same guys that say a standard M4 cant run in the desert when clearly it can. There are plenty here and on m4c that can attest to the DI being fine when lubed.
Hkpro says the hk416 is the best carbine ever invented and has no flaws. According to them every other rifle ever invented has flaws yet the 416 is the image of perfection.
I also read there once that the HK416 can go 100,000 rounds without cleaning and still shoot sub moa
So please using them as a source is a joke. Thats like quoting the national enquiror
A suppressed 416 is horribly overgassed running around the 1100RPM which is incredibly high, that said a Pmag or Lancer will both keep up with that rate.
The drop test magpul posted was a 5ft drop test of a Pmag that was frozen to -30.
The second video was a guy usig 2 aluminum mags and 2 pmags the aluminum ones had issues the pmags didt.
3/2/2012 10:24:25 AM
Originally Posted By SC-Texas:
The hk mag is a collectable.
I use my pmags when I need a reliable magazine.
The hk mag is a collectable.
I use my pmags when I need a reliable magazine.
Collectable magazines...that's a new one to me.
3/2/2012 11:11:15 AM
Originally Posted By Justin-Beard:
Nothing is infallible, but we've got millions of our mags fielded with active duty military units worldwide and they tend to hold up well in adverse environments:
Alaskacajun's P Mag test
Nothing is infallible, but we've got millions of our mags fielded with active duty military units worldwide and they tend to hold up well in adverse environments:
Alaskacajun's P Mag test
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
.......So please using them as a source is a joke. Thats like quoting the national enquiror.......
The second video was a guy usig 2 aluminum mags and 2 pmags the aluminum ones had issues the pmags didt.
.......So please using them as a source is a joke. Thats like quoting the national enquiror.......
The second video was a guy usig 2 aluminum mags and 2 pmags the aluminum ones had issues the pmags didt.
I probably should stay out of this, but.......it's kinda ironic (and more than a little bit hypocritical) that the same industry
partner that ridiculed an independent test in another thread for being "un-scientific" and not repeatable, yet they post that link.
Just pointing it out.
I wonder how our guys in uniform have survived for fifty years with the total crap they're issued?
Oh yeah, because (love 'em or hate 'em) THEY WORK!!
By the way, the military has done the old frozen mag test too.
Back before a lot of the doubters were even born.
3/2/2012 11:29:51 AM
Originally Posted By Gator57:
I probably should stay out of this, but.......it's kinda ironic (and more than a little bit hypocritical) that the same industry
partner that ridiculed an independent test in another thread for being "un-scientific" and not repeatable, yet they post that link.
Just pointing it out.
I wonder how our guys in uniform have survived for fifty years with the total crap they're issued?
Oh yeah, because (love 'em or hate 'em) THEY WORK!!
By the way, the military has done the old frozen mag test too.
Back before a lot of the doubters were even born.
Originally Posted By Justin-Beard:
Nothing is infallible, but we've got millions of our mags fielded with active duty military units worldwide and they tend to hold up well in adverse environments:
Alaskacajun's P Mag test
Nothing is infallible, but we've got millions of our mags fielded with active duty military units worldwide and they tend to hold up well in adverse environments:
Alaskacajun's P Mag test
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
.......So please using them as a source is a joke. Thats like quoting the national enquiror.......
The second video was a guy usig 2 aluminum mags and 2 pmags the aluminum ones had issues the pmags didt.
.......So please using them as a source is a joke. Thats like quoting the national enquiror.......
The second video was a guy usig 2 aluminum mags and 2 pmags the aluminum ones had issues the pmags didt.
I probably should stay out of this, but.......it's kinda ironic (and more than a little bit hypocritical) that the same industry
partner that ridiculed an independent test in another thread for being "un-scientific" and not repeatable, yet they post that link.
Just pointing it out.
I wonder how our guys in uniform have survived for fifty years with the total crap they're issued?
Oh yeah, because (love 'em or hate 'em) THEY WORK!!
By the way, the military has done the old frozen mag test too.
Back before a lot of the doubters were even born.
No doubt i was relaying what the video was, its certainky not scientific
3/2/2012 11:38:50 AM
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
No doubt i was relaying what the video was, its certainky not scientific
No doubt i was relaying what the video was, its certainky not scientific
Agreed. I just quoted you so anyone that didn't watch the video would know the subject matter.
But as you said, very unscientific.
These discussions tend to get way out there sometimes.
More often than not in an attempt to prove a non-existent point.
3/2/2012 12:29:52 PM
Not sure why the hate for HK mags I have run tens of thousands of rounds through them with no issues. My biggest complaint is price but a lot of good products are expensive. Funny we can spend two to three grand on rifles yet bitch about the single most important factor in reliability. Guys buy SCARS or OBR's and spend $45-$75 bucks for mags and don't bitch. Oh well, to each his own...
I have run tens of thousands of rounds through them with no issues. My biggest complaint is price but a lot of good products are expensive. Funny we can spend two to three grand on rifles yet bitch about the single most important factor in reliability. Guys buy SCARS or OBR's and spend $45-$75 bucks for mags and don't bitch. Oh well, to each his own...3/2/2012 12:40:56 PM
The Navy ordered that HK magazines be removed from service and the UK MOD bought millions of EMAGs to replace the HK HRM. There's a clue.
USGI mags with the newest followers aren't so bad just crush then as soon as the lips loosen up.
USGI mags with the newest followers aren't so bad just crush then as soon as the lips loosen up.
3/2/2012 12:49:19 PM
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The Navy ordered that HK magazines be removed from service and the UK MOD bought the HK HRM. There's a clue.
USGI mags with the newest followers aren't so bad just crush then as soon as the lips loosen up.
The Navy ordered that HK magazines be removed from service and the UK MOD bought the HK HRM. There's a clue.
USGI mags with the newest followers aren't so bad just crush then as soon as the lips loosen up.
So, why didn't the navy also remove the USGI's from service and order "millions of EMAGs" to replace them as well?
I'd think that, since we're being fair and all, that would also "be a clue".
But I could be wrong I suppose...
3/2/2012 1:04:52 PM
Originally Posted By d90king:
Not sure why the hate for HK mags I have run tens of thousands of rounds through them with no issues. My biggest complaint is price but a lot of good products are expensive. Funny we can spend two to three grand on rifles yet bitch about the single most important factor in reliability. Guys buy SCARS or OBR's and spend $45-$75 bucks for mags and don't bitch. Oh well, to each his own...
Not sure why the hate for HK mags
I have run tens of thousands of rounds through them with no issues. My biggest complaint is price but a lot of good products are expensive. Funny we can spend two to three grand on rifles yet bitch about the single most important factor in reliability. Guys buy SCARS or OBR's and spend $45-$75 bucks for mags and don't bitch. Oh well, to each his own...Why spend $50-$70 on a 5.56 magazine when i can get a lancer awm for $14.99 and itll be more reliable and lighter.
Theres a reason why the navy replaced them as well as the brits who purchased a million or so emags
3/2/2012 1:26:51 PM
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Why spend $50-$70 on a 5.56 magazine when i can get a lancer awm for $14.99 and itll be more reliable and lighter.
Theres a reason why the navy replaced them as well as the brits who purchased a million or so emags
Originally Posted By d90king:
Not sure why the hate for HK mags I have run tens of thousands of rounds through them with no issues. My biggest complaint is price but a lot of good products are expensive. Funny we can spend two to three grand on rifles yet bitch about the single most important factor in reliability. Guys buy SCARS or OBR's and spend $45-$75 bucks for mags and don't bitch. Oh well, to each his own...
Not sure why the hate for HK mags
I have run tens of thousands of rounds through them with no issues. My biggest complaint is price but a lot of good products are expensive. Funny we can spend two to three grand on rifles yet bitch about the single most important factor in reliability. Guys buy SCARS or OBR's and spend $45-$75 bucks for mags and don't bitch. Oh well, to each his own...Why spend $50-$70 on a 5.56 magazine when i can get a lancer awm for $14.99 and itll be more reliable and lighter.
Theres a reason why the navy replaced them as well as the brits who purchased a million or so emags
3/2/2012 1:43:02 PM
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Why spend $50-$70 on a 5.56 magazine when i can get a lancer awm for $14.99 and itll be more reliable and lighter.
Theres a reason why the navy replaced them as well as the brits who purchased a million or so emags
Why spend $50-$70 on a 5.56 magazine when i can get a lancer awm for $14.99 and itll be more reliable and lighter.
Theres a reason why the navy replaced them as well as the brits who purchased a million or so emags
Good point.
Cost is probably a factor. Weight another. Complexity still another. Performance......possibly yet another.
3/2/2012 1:45:04 PM
Originally Posted By Joe_Pennsy:
http://www.logotypes101.com/files/73/e45cf239d314ed05ec9180eea37c0d73/lrg_HK.gif
http://www.newlifetempleag.org/images/worshippers.jpg
http://epicvelocity.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/fanatic-graphic-small.jpg?w=300&h=210
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/dcblog/Obama%20rally%20Sunrise.jpg
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Why spend $50-$70 on a 5.56 magazine when i can get a lancer awm for $14.99 and itll be more reliable and lighter.
Theres a reason why the navy replaced them as well as the brits who purchased a million or so emags
Originally Posted By d90king:
Not sure why the hate for HK mags I have run tens of thousands of rounds through them with no issues. My biggest complaint is price but a lot of good products are expensive. Funny we can spend two to three grand on rifles yet bitch about the single most important factor in reliability. Guys buy SCARS or OBR's and spend $45-$75 bucks for mags and don't bitch. Oh well, to each his own...
Not sure why the hate for HK mags
I have run tens of thousands of rounds through them with no issues. My biggest complaint is price but a lot of good products are expensive. Funny we can spend two to three grand on rifles yet bitch about the single most important factor in reliability. Guys buy SCARS or OBR's and spend $45-$75 bucks for mags and don't bitch. Oh well, to each his own...Why spend $50-$70 on a 5.56 magazine when i can get a lancer awm for $14.99 and itll be more reliable and lighter.
Theres a reason why the navy replaced them as well as the brits who purchased a million or so emags
http://www.logotypes101.com/files/73/e45cf239d314ed05ec9180eea37c0d73/lrg_HK.gif
http://www.newlifetempleag.org/images/worshippers.jpg
http://epicvelocity.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/fanatic-graphic-small.jpg?w=300&h=210
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/dcblog/Obama%20rally%20Sunrise.jpg
I really hate to break it to you BUT, some of us who have actually worked for H&K are not fans. Speaking the truth about some of their products a bunch of years ago showed me I did NOT want to work for them, so I left.
This being able to get REAL info about the mags is why I came here instead of just using the rolodex (yes some of us are older than dirt and still use them) and simply calling the office in Virginia. We aren't speaking since I revealed the problems the G3 had in Honduras with the Contras. It was like when I cut the PALM mag in half for the world to see what is really inside them and how they are made.
Now as to whether this mag is worth the money is still up for evaluation, but prior experience leads me to doubt they are. H&K has always taken the attitude their s......tuff is made of gold.
For the info, Thank You. As to the argument as to what is best, age has showed me there is no one best. There is only levels of being better.
3/2/2012 1:52:03 PM
Originally Posted By TnHawk-45:
I really hate to break it to you BUT, some of us who have actually worked for H&K are not fans. Speaking the truth about some of their products a bunch of years ago showed me I did NOT want to work for them, so I left.
This being able to get REAL info about the mags is why I came here instead of just using the rolodex (yes some of us are older than dirt and still use them) and simply calling the office in Virginia. We aren't speaking since I revealed the problems the G3 had in Honduras with the Contras. It was like when I cut the PALM mag in half for the world to see what is really inside them and how they are made.
Now as to whether this mag is worth the money is still up for evaluation, but prior experience leads me to doubt they are. H&K has always taken the attitude their s......tuff is made of gold.
For the info, Thank You. As to the argument as to what is best, age has showed me there is no one best. There is only levels of being better.
Originally Posted By Joe_Pennsy:
http://www.logotypes101.com/files/73/e45cf239d314ed05ec9180eea37c0d73/lrg_HK.gif
http://www.newlifetempleag.org/images/worshippers.jpg
http://epicvelocity.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/fanatic-graphic-small.jpg?w=300&h=210
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/dcblog/Obama%20rally%20Sunrise.jpg
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Why spend $50-$70 on a 5.56 magazine when i can get a lancer awm for $14.99 and itll be more reliable and lighter.
Theres a reason why the navy replaced them as well as the brits who purchased a million or so emags
Originally Posted By d90king:
Not sure why the hate for HK mags I have run tens of thousands of rounds through them with no issues. My biggest complaint is price but a lot of good products are expensive. Funny we can spend two to three grand on rifles yet bitch about the single most important factor in reliability. Guys buy SCARS or OBR's and spend $45-$75 bucks for mags and don't bitch. Oh well, to each his own...
Not sure why the hate for HK mags
I have run tens of thousands of rounds through them with no issues. My biggest complaint is price but a lot of good products are expensive. Funny we can spend two to three grand on rifles yet bitch about the single most important factor in reliability. Guys buy SCARS or OBR's and spend $45-$75 bucks for mags and don't bitch. Oh well, to each his own...Why spend $50-$70 on a 5.56 magazine when i can get a lancer awm for $14.99 and itll be more reliable and lighter.
Theres a reason why the navy replaced them as well as the brits who purchased a million or so emags
http://www.logotypes101.com/files/73/e45cf239d314ed05ec9180eea37c0d73/lrg_HK.gif
http://www.newlifetempleag.org/images/worshippers.jpg
http://epicvelocity.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/fanatic-graphic-small.jpg?w=300&h=210
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/dcblog/Obama%20rally%20Sunrise.jpg
I really hate to break it to you BUT, some of us who have actually worked for H&K are not fans. Speaking the truth about some of their products a bunch of years ago showed me I did NOT want to work for them, so I left.
This being able to get REAL info about the mags is why I came here instead of just using the rolodex (yes some of us are older than dirt and still use them) and simply calling the office in Virginia. We aren't speaking since I revealed the problems the G3 had in Honduras with the Contras. It was like when I cut the PALM mag in half for the world to see what is really inside them and how they are made.
Now as to whether this mag is worth the money is still up for evaluation, but prior experience leads me to doubt they are. H&K has always taken the attitude their s......tuff is made of gold.
For the info, Thank You. As to the argument as to what is best, age has showed me there is no one best. There is only levels of being better.
The thing abot hk mags is this
They are heavierthan others
They can be bent like gi mags
The feed lips bend if dropped
The floor plate gets damaged easily
The spring wears out way to fast
They cost a fortune.
While nothing is perfect and magazines are expendable Pmags and Lancers both offer a great magazine that are robust(lancers more so) and are $11-15 so if one goes down its not a big deal
3/2/2012 1:54:17 PM
Originally Posted By TnHawk-45:
....like when I cut the PALM mag in half for the world to see what is really inside them and how they are made.......
....like when I cut the PALM mag in half for the world to see what is really inside them and how they are made.......
Somehow I managed to miss that one.
Do you have a link by any chance?
3/2/2012 2:52:15 PM
Originally Posted By Joe_Pennsy:
http://www.logotypes101.com/files/73/e45cf239d314ed05ec9180eea37c0d73/lrg_HK.gif
http://www.newlifetempleag.org/images/worshippers.jpg
http://epicvelocity.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/fanatic-graphic-small.jpg?w=300&h=210
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/dcblog/Obama%20rally%20Sunrise.jpg
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Why spend $50-$70 on a 5.56 magazine when i can get a lancer awm for $14.99 and itll be more reliable and lighter.
Theres a reason why the navy replaced them as well as the brits who purchased a million or so emags
Originally Posted By d90king:
Not sure why the hate for HK mags I have run tens of thousands of rounds through them with no issues. My biggest complaint is price but a lot of good products are expensive. Funny we can spend two to three grand on rifles yet bitch about the single most important factor in reliability. Guys buy SCARS or OBR's and spend $45-$75 bucks for mags and don't bitch. Oh well, to each his own...
Not sure why the hate for HK mags
I have run tens of thousands of rounds through them with no issues. My biggest complaint is price but a lot of good products are expensive. Funny we can spend two to three grand on rifles yet bitch about the single most important factor in reliability. Guys buy SCARS or OBR's and spend $45-$75 bucks for mags and don't bitch. Oh well, to each his own...Why spend $50-$70 on a 5.56 magazine when i can get a lancer awm for $14.99 and itll be more reliable and lighter.
Theres a reason why the navy replaced them as well as the brits who purchased a million or so emags
http://www.logotypes101.com/files/73/e45cf239d314ed05ec9180eea37c0d73/lrg_HK.gif
http://www.newlifetempleag.org/images/worshippers.jpg
http://epicvelocity.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/fanatic-graphic-small.jpg?w=300&h=210
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/dcblog/Obama%20rally%20Sunrise.jpg
Are you saying if I buy HK mags women will flock to me and worship me...?
3/2/2012 4:24:35 PM
Originally Posted By Gator57:
Somehow I managed to miss that one.
Do you have a link by any chance?
Originally Posted By TnHawk-45:
....like when I cut the PALM mag in half for the world to see what is really inside them and how they are made.......
....like when I cut the PALM mag in half for the world to see what is really inside them and how they are made.......
Somehow I managed to miss that one.
Do you have a link by any chance?
The pictures were in the AK magazine section, but you may have to be a member to see them. They are available though easily on another AK site though. Lets just say the whole thing got messy before I got thru with it. LOL
This thread does have a hot link to them though.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_55/139499_US_Palm_AK_mags.html
3/2/2012 4:48:20 PM
Thanks for the link. I found them on both sites. Very good info.
I don't have any of them, although I nearly got some a while back in a deal, but luckily it fell through.
Like the aluminum USGI's though, I already have a boatload of steel AK mags.
I don't have any of them, although I nearly got some a while back in a deal, but luckily it fell through.
Like the aluminum USGI's though, I already have a boatload of steel AK mags.
3/2/2012 5:55:59 PM
Originally Posted By Gator57:
I probably should stay out of this, but......it's kinda ironic (and more than a little bit hypocritical) that the same industry
partner that ridiculed an independent test in another thread for being "un-scientific" and not repeatable, yet they post that link.
Just pointing it out.
I wonder how our guys in uniform have survived for fifty years with the total crap they're issued?
Oh yeah, because (love 'em or hate 'em) THEY WORK!!
By the way, the military has done the old frozen mag test too.
Back before a lot of the doubters were even born.
Originally Posted By Justin-Beard:
Nothing is infallible, but we've got millions of our mags fielded with active duty military units worldwide and they tend to hold up well in adverse environments:
Alaskacajun's P Mag test
Nothing is infallible, but we've got millions of our mags fielded with active duty military units worldwide and they tend to hold up well in adverse environments:
Alaskacajun's P Mag test
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
.......So please using them as a source is a joke. Thats like quoting the national enquiror.......
The second video was a guy usig 2 aluminum mags and 2 pmags the aluminum ones had issues the pmags didt.
.......So please using them as a source is a joke. Thats like quoting the national enquiror.......
The second video was a guy usig 2 aluminum mags and 2 pmags the aluminum ones had issues the pmags didt.
I probably should stay out of this, but......it's kinda ironic (and more than a little bit hypocritical) that the same industry
partner that ridiculed an independent test in another thread for being "un-scientific" and not repeatable, yet they post that link.
Just pointing it out.
I wonder how our guys in uniform have survived for fifty years with the total crap they're issued?
Oh yeah, because (love 'em or hate 'em) THEY WORK!!
By the way, the military has done the old frozen mag test too.
Back before a lot of the doubters were even born.
I specifically decided to post two videos from completely different sources, one from us and one from the public. Apparently we're damned if we do and damned if we don't as we got negative responses for both videos in this thread...
Also, we've said it before and I'll say it again: USGI mags aren't bad, there are just better options available. Specifically regarding the HK mags, they do tend to feed well with their anti-tilt follower. They're just way too heavy and expensive for my tastes.
3/2/2012 6:14:42 PM
Originally Posted By Justin-Beard:
I specifically decided to post two videos from completely different sources, one from us and one from the public. Apparently we're damned if we do and damned if we don't as we got negative responses for both videos in this thread...
Also, we've said it before and I'll say it again: USGI mags aren't bad, there are just better options available. Specifically regarding the HK mags, they do tend to feed well with their anti-tilt follower. They're just way too heavy and expensive for my tastes.
Originally Posted By Gator57:
I probably should stay out of this, but......it's kinda ironic (and more than a little bit hypocritical) that the same industry
partner that ridiculed an independent test in another thread for being "un-scientific" and not repeatable, yet they post that link.
Just pointing it out.
I wonder how our guys in uniform have survived for fifty years with the total crap they're issued?
Oh yeah, because (love 'em or hate 'em) THEY WORK!!
By the way, the military has done the old frozen mag test too.
Back before a lot of the doubters were even born.
Originally Posted By Justin-Beard:
Nothing is infallible, but we've got millions of our mags fielded with active duty military units worldwide and they tend to hold up well in adverse environments:
Alaskacajun's P Mag test
Nothing is infallible, but we've got millions of our mags fielded with active duty military units worldwide and they tend to hold up well in adverse environments:
Alaskacajun's P Mag test
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
.......So please using them as a source is a joke. Thats like quoting the national enquiror.......
The second video was a guy usig 2 aluminum mags and 2 pmags the aluminum ones had issues the pmags didt.
.......So please using them as a source is a joke. Thats like quoting the national enquiror.......
The second video was a guy usig 2 aluminum mags and 2 pmags the aluminum ones had issues the pmags didt.
I probably should stay out of this, but......it's kinda ironic (and more than a little bit hypocritical) that the same industry
partner that ridiculed an independent test in another thread for being "un-scientific" and not repeatable, yet they post that link.
Just pointing it out.
I wonder how our guys in uniform have survived for fifty years with the total crap they're issued?
Oh yeah, because (love 'em or hate 'em) THEY WORK!!
By the way, the military has done the old frozen mag test too.
Back before a lot of the doubters were even born.
I specifically decided to post two videos from completely different sources, one from us and one from the public. Apparently we're damned if we do and damned if we don't as we got negative responses for both videos in this thread...
Also, we've said it before and I'll say it again: USGI mags aren't bad, there are just better options available. Specifically regarding the HK mags, they do tend to feed well with their anti-tilt follower. They're just way too heavy and expensive for my tastes.
not to mention 3-4 times the price of a good polymer mag, and the spring wears out incredibly fast, even faster than GI mags
3/2/2012 9:54:46 PM
I simply do not get the nerdrage over USGI vs PMags. Who gives a flying fuck what someone else wants to use? If its truly shit then they are going to be the ones who are SOL. And if it works for them and they dont have issues... again why would you care?
3/2/2012 10:26:55 PM
Originally Posted By Krinkplinker:
I simply do not get the nerdrage over USGI vs PMags. Who gives a flying fuck what someone else wants to use? If its truly shit then they are going to be the ones who are SOL. And if it works for them and they dont have issues... again why would you care?
I simply do not get the nerdrage over USGI vs PMags. Who gives a flying fuck what someone else wants to use? If its truly shit then they are going to be the ones who are SOL. And if it works for them and they dont have issues... again why would you care?
Because some of us do not want to loot junk from the dead bodies. LOL
