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Gold Dot Soft Point as a duty round?
6/25/2012 12:17:16 PM
Trying to pick a duty round. Most of the ballistic tips we have used have performed very poorly. Is the gold dot any better? unfortunately FMJ isn't a option no matter how poorly the 5.56 hollow points and ballistic tips perform 
6/25/2012 12:31:42 PM
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Trying to pick a duty round. Most of the ballistic tips we have used have performed very poorly. Is the gold dot any better? unfortunately FMJ isn't a option no matter how poorly the 5.56 hollow points and ballistic tips perform
Trying to pick a duty round. Most of the ballistic tips we have used have performed very poorly. Is the gold dot any better? unfortunately FMJ isn't a option no matter how poorly the 5.56 hollow points and ballistic tips perform
Yes, the Gold Dot is better. See the ammo FAQ's for best defensive ammunition.
6/25/2012 12:35:07 PM
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
Yes, the Gold Dot is better. See the ammo FAQ's for best defensive ammunition.
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Trying to pick a duty round. Most of the ballistic tips we have used have performed very poorly. Is the gold dot any better? unfortunately FMJ isn't a option no matter how poorly the 5.56 hollow points and ballistic tips perform
Trying to pick a duty round. Most of the ballistic tips we have used have performed very poorly. Is the gold dot any better? unfortunately FMJ isn't a option no matter how poorly the 5.56 hollow points and ballistic tips perform
Yes, the Gold Dot is better. See the ammo FAQ's for best defensive ammunition.
No expert, but from what I've read, 5.56, yes. .223, not so much.
6/25/2012 12:35:41 PM
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6/25/2012 1:51:14 PM
The Gold Dot is a good round and will serve you well. We picked the Federal 62gr Tactical Bonded at my agency. It is an excellent performer.
6/25/2012 1:54:08 PM
Originally Posted By HAGDADDY:
The Gold Dot is a good round and will serve you well. We picked the Federal 62gr Tactical Bonded at my agency. It is an excellent performer.
The Gold Dot is a good round and will serve you well. We picked the Federal 62gr Tactical Bonded at my agency. It is an excellent performer.
is that the red tip round?
6/25/2012 1:56:56 PM
Originally Posted By ske714:
No expert, but from what I've read, 5.56, yes. .223, not so much.
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
Yes, the Gold Dot is better. See the ammo FAQ's for best defensive ammunition.
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Trying to pick a duty round. Most of the ballistic tips we have used have performed very poorly. Is the gold dot any better? unfortunately FMJ isn't a option no matter how poorly the 5.56 hollow points and ballistic tips perform
Trying to pick a duty round. Most of the ballistic tips we have used have performed very poorly. Is the gold dot any better? unfortunately FMJ isn't a option no matter how poorly the 5.56 hollow points and ballistic tips perform
Yes, the Gold Dot is better. See the ammo FAQ's for best defensive ammunition.
No expert, but from what I've read, 5.56, yes. .223, not so much.
Source and links please.
6/25/2012 2:00:21 PM
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
is that the red tip round?
Originally Posted By HAGDADDY:
The Gold Dot is a good round and will serve you well. We picked the Federal 62gr Tactical Bonded at my agency. It is an excellent performer.
The Gold Dot is a good round and will serve you well. We picked the Federal 62gr Tactical Bonded at my agency. It is an excellent performer.
is that the red tip round?
Do not think so.
6/25/2012 2:04:02 PM
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
Source and links please.
Originally Posted By ske714:
No expert, but from what I've read, 5.56, yes. .223, not so much.
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
Yes, the Gold Dot is better. See the ammo FAQ's for best defensive ammunition.
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Trying to pick a duty round. Most of the ballistic tips we have used have performed very poorly. Is the gold dot any better? unfortunately FMJ isn't a option no matter how poorly the 5.56 hollow points and ballistic tips perform
Trying to pick a duty round. Most of the ballistic tips we have used have performed very poorly. Is the gold dot any better? unfortunately FMJ isn't a option no matter how poorly the 5.56 hollow points and ballistic tips perform
Yes, the Gold Dot is better. See the ammo FAQ's for best defensive ammunition.
No expert, but from what I've read, 5.56, yes. .223, not so much.
Source and links please.
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#RifleAmmoDocGKR
62gr Federal Trophy Bonded Bear Claw (TBBC) bonded JSP (XM556FBIT3)*
64gr Winchester solid base bonded JSP (Q3313/RA556B)*
50gr TSX loaded by Black Hills*
Speer 55 & 64gr Gold Dot JSP (5.56)*
Federal 62gr Mk318 Mod0 (T556TNB1)*
62gr Federal bonded JSP Tactical (LE223T3)
55gr Federal bonded JSP load (Tactical––LE223T1 or identical Premium Rifle––P223T2)
Swift 75gr Scirocco (usually requires 1:7 twist)
60gr Nosler Partition JSP
Remington 62gr bonded JSP
Federal 55gr TSX (T223S)
Speer 55 & 64gr Gold Dot JSP (.223)
Federal 62gr Fusion JSP (Same construction as the Gold Dot)
Loads marked with * are 5.56 loads and indicate preferred loadings.
ETA: Can't find another article that I read, and contrary to my memory, the .223 load is on this recommended list, with a footnote. Still looking.
6/25/2012 2:22:09 PM
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
Do not think so.
http://www.box.net/shared/static/4er0rktcgs.jpg
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
is that the red tip round?
Originally Posted By HAGDADDY:
The Gold Dot is a good round and will serve you well. We picked the Federal 62gr Tactical Bonded at my agency. It is an excellent performer.
The Gold Dot is a good round and will serve you well. We picked the Federal 62gr Tactical Bonded at my agency. It is an excellent performer.
is that the red tip round?
Do not think so.
http://www.box.net/shared/static/4er0rktcgs.jpg
Yes, this is the round we carry.
6/25/2012 2:42:12 PM
Originally Posted By ske714:
Speer 55 & 64gr Gold Dot JSP (5.56)*
Speer 55 & 64gr Gold Dot JSP (.223)
Federal 62gr Fusion JSP (Same construction as the Gold Dot)
Loads marked with * are 5.56 loads and indicate preferred loadings.
ETA: Can't find another article that I read, and contrary to my memory, the .223 load is on this recommended list, with a footnote. Still looking.
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
Source and links please.
Originally Posted By ske714:
No expert, but from what I've read, 5.56, yes. .223, not so much.
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
Yes, the Gold Dot is better. See the ammo FAQ's for best defensive ammunition.
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Trying to pick a duty round. Most of the ballistic tips we have used have performed very poorly. Is the gold dot any better? unfortunately FMJ isn't a option no matter how poorly the 5.56 hollow points and ballistic tips perform
Trying to pick a duty round. Most of the ballistic tips we have used have performed very poorly. Is the gold dot any better? unfortunately FMJ isn't a option no matter how poorly the 5.56 hollow points and ballistic tips perform
Yes, the Gold Dot is better. See the ammo FAQ's for best defensive ammunition.
No expert, but from what I've read, 5.56, yes. .223, not so much.
Source and links please.
Speer 55 & 64gr Gold Dot JSP (5.56)*
Speer 55 & 64gr Gold Dot JSP (.223)
Federal 62gr Fusion JSP (Same construction as the Gold Dot)
Loads marked with * are 5.56 loads and indicate preferred loadings.
ETA: Can't find another article that I read, and contrary to my memory, the .223 load is on this recommended list, with a footnote. Still looking.
Preferred means that you get extra velocity, which can help with shorter than 16" barrels and give the individual officer/civilian additional range.
6/25/2012 3:15:06 PM
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
Preferred means that you get extra velocity, which can help with shorter than 16" barrels and give the individual officer/civilian additional range.
Originally Posted By ske714:
Speer 55 & 64gr Gold Dot JSP (5.56)*
Speer 55 & 64gr Gold Dot JSP (.223)
Federal 62gr Fusion JSP (Same construction as the Gold Dot)
Loads marked with * are 5.56 loads and indicate preferred loadings.
ETA: Can't find another article that I read, and contrary to my memory, the .223 load is on this recommended list, with a footnote. Still looking.
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
Source and links please.
Originally Posted By ske714:
No expert, but from what I've read, 5.56, yes. .223, not so much.
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
Yes, the Gold Dot is better. See the ammo FAQ's for best defensive ammunition.
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Trying to pick a duty round. Most of the ballistic tips we have used have performed very poorly. Is the gold dot any better? unfortunately FMJ isn't a option no matter how poorly the 5.56 hollow points and ballistic tips perform
Trying to pick a duty round. Most of the ballistic tips we have used have performed very poorly. Is the gold dot any better? unfortunately FMJ isn't a option no matter how poorly the 5.56 hollow points and ballistic tips perform
Yes, the Gold Dot is better. See the ammo FAQ's for best defensive ammunition.
No expert, but from what I've read, 5.56, yes. .223, not so much.
Source and links please.
Speer 55 & 64gr Gold Dot JSP (5.56)*
Speer 55 & 64gr Gold Dot JSP (.223)
Federal 62gr Fusion JSP (Same construction as the Gold Dot)
Loads marked with * are 5.56 loads and indicate preferred loadings.
ETA: Can't find another article that I read, and contrary to my memory, the .223 load is on this recommended list, with a footnote. Still looking.
Preferred means that you get extra velocity, which can help with shorter than 16" barrels and give the individual officer/civilian additional range.
Yes, .223 = not so much as 5.56
6/25/2012 3:33:07 PM
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
is that the red tip round?
Originally Posted By HAGDADDY:
The Gold Dot is a good round and will serve you well. We picked the Federal 62gr Tactical Bonded at my agency. It is an excellent performer.
The Gold Dot is a good round and will serve you well. We picked the Federal 62gr Tactical Bonded at my agency. It is an excellent performer.
is that the red tip round?
I don't think there are any red (polymer) tip rounds on the self-defense list for .223/5.56.
6/25/2012 3:49:45 PM
Originally Posted By ske714:
Yes, .223 = not so much as 5.56
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
Preferred means that you get extra velocity, which can help with shorter than 16" barrels and give the individual officer/civilian additional range.
Originally Posted By ske714:
Speer 55 & 64gr Gold Dot JSP (5.56)*
Speer 55 & 64gr Gold Dot JSP (.223)
Federal 62gr Fusion JSP (Same construction as the Gold Dot)
Loads marked with * are 5.56 loads and indicate preferred loadings.
ETA: Can't find another article that I read, and contrary to my memory, the .223 load is on this recommended list, with a footnote. Still looking.
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
Source and links please.
Originally Posted By ske714:
No expert, but from what I've read, 5.56, yes. .223, not so much.
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
Yes, the Gold Dot is better. See the ammo FAQ's for best defensive ammunition.
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Trying to pick a duty round. Most of the ballistic tips we have used have performed very poorly. Is the gold dot any better? unfortunately FMJ isn't a option no matter how poorly the 5.56 hollow points and ballistic tips perform
Trying to pick a duty round. Most of the ballistic tips we have used have performed very poorly. Is the gold dot any better? unfortunately FMJ isn't a option no matter how poorly the 5.56 hollow points and ballistic tips perform
Yes, the Gold Dot is better. See the ammo FAQ's for best defensive ammunition.
No expert, but from what I've read, 5.56, yes. .223, not so much.
Source and links please.
Speer 55 & 64gr Gold Dot JSP (5.56)*
Speer 55 & 64gr Gold Dot JSP (.223)
Federal 62gr Fusion JSP (Same construction as the Gold Dot)
Loads marked with * are 5.56 loads and indicate preferred loadings.
ETA: Can't find another article that I read, and contrary to my memory, the .223 load is on this recommended list, with a footnote. Still looking.
Preferred means that you get extra velocity, which can help with shorter than 16" barrels and give the individual officer/civilian additional range.
Yes, .223 = not so much as 5.56
You used poor word choice because you give the appearance that BTB bullets in .223 are not any better than Ballistic Tips.
Dr. Roberts, as well as others, do not say this.
6/25/2012 4:00:30 PM
You used poor word choice because you give the appearance that BTB bullets in .223 are not any better than Ballistic Tips.
Dr. Roberts, as well as others, do not say this.
Actually, I meant to imply that 5.56 Gold Dots were among the better choices, while you can do better if limited to .223, and I believe that to be true. But I agree, I expressed myself poorly.
6/25/2012 4:04:25 PM
The 64 grainers are only available in .223 FWIW.
The 55s are still available in 5.56.
The 55s are still available in 5.56.
6/25/2012 4:31:26 PM
Originally Posted By ske714:
You used poor word choice because you give the appearance that BTB bullets in .223 are not any better than Ballistic Tips.
Dr. Roberts, as well as others, do not say this.
Actually, I meant to imply that 5.56 Gold Dots were among the better choices, while you can do better if limited to .223, and I believe that to be true. But I agree, I expressed myself poorly.
You used poor word choice because you give the appearance that BTB bullets in .223 are not any better than Ballistic Tips.
Dr. Roberts, as well as others, do not say this.
Actually, I meant to imply that 5.56 Gold Dots were among the better choices, while you can do better if limited to .223, and I believe that to be true. But I agree, I expressed myself poorly.
No worries. I think that it is easier for people to find the .223 Fusion ammo, even if you lose 100 fps +/-, as compared to the 5.56 rounds.
OP, the BTB rounds on the Defensive Ammo FAQ are fine.
6/26/2012 10:59:11 AM
Originally Posted By Eric802:
I don't think there are any red (polymer) tip rounds on the self-defense list for .223/5.56.
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
is that the red tip round?
Originally Posted By HAGDADDY:
The Gold Dot is a good round and will serve you well. We picked the Federal 62gr Tactical Bonded at my agency. It is an excellent performer.
The Gold Dot is a good round and will serve you well. We picked the Federal 62gr Tactical Bonded at my agency. It is an excellent performer.
is that the red tip round?
I don't think there are any red (polymer) tip rounds on the self-defense list for .223/5.56.
Good they suck!!!!!!
6/26/2012 9:21:12 PM
Fusion bullets have a low velocity expansion threshold. 223 loading works well and is recommended by the Dr Roberts list.
6/30/2012 10:23:20 AM
Ok thanks for all the info!
7/1/2012 8:40:53 AM
The Gold Dot is a good bullet. Last I heard the 5.56 loadings were discontinued but the .223 loads are fine, just a little weaker. The Federal Fusion is basically the same bullet and also good.
