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 Pallet of ammo
Ar-Bret  [Team Member]
1/29/2012 12:56:24 AM
Well,

I know there must be someone here that can answer the following.

Is there any issue with the Feds and buying a full palet or two of ammo?

And

What sort of price break is there at this quantity.

FYI.
Yes I have forklift and unload from semi trucks and flatbeds at my place.

Yes I sometimes shoot several thousand rounds a week...I have a private range at home.

Looking for buying march or April when a bit warmer out...

Thanks
B
StevesZZ5  [Team Member]
1/29/2012 1:05:57 AM
Transactions over a certain amount (I believe it's $5,000.00 now for DHS, used to be $10,000 per for many IRS flags) are flagged by the DHS and some other government agencies and financial institutions. This may vary with wire/Western Union, EFT, etc. Add the fact that it's a firearm related transaction, and I bet the idiots in power will take a second glance. Stupid, I agree, but if you're not doing anything wrong, let them flag all they fucking want.
xachary82  [Member]
1/29/2012 1:48:25 AM
Originally Posted By StevesZZ5:
Transactions over a certain amount (I believe it's $5,000.00 now for DHS, used to be $10,000 per for many IRS flags) are flagged by the DHS and some other government agencies and financial institutions. This may vary with wire/Western Union, EFT, etc. Add the fact that it's a firearm related transaction, and I bet the idiots in power will take a second glance. Stupid, I agree, but if you're not doing anything wrong, let them flag all they fucking want.


disagree.. would you want to attract attention like that if shtf tomorrow
packingXDs  [Team Member]
1/29/2012 2:06:17 AM

Originally Posted By Ar-Bret:

Is there any issue with the Feds and buying a full palet or two of ammo?

Thanks
B

No, no issues. Prices breaks aren't going to be much until 100k or so, IIRC, from what Bryan at AIM and others have said.
kaos  [Team Member]
1/29/2012 2:17:49 AM
I remember reading that some jurisdictions had an 'Arsenal Law' proscribing legal quantities.
I have no direct knowledge, but I'd have to look into it before I answered one way or another.
StevesZZ5  [Team Member]
1/29/2012 2:45:36 AM
Originally Posted By xachary82:
Originally Posted By StevesZZ5:
Transactions over a certain amount (I believe it's $5,000.00 now for DHS, used to be $10,000 per for many IRS flags) are flagged by the DHS and some other government agencies and financial institutions. This may vary with wire/Western Union, EFT, etc. Add the fact that it's a firearm related transaction, and I bet the idiots in power will take a second glance. Stupid, I agree, but if you're not doing anything wrong, let them flag all they fucking want.


disagree.. would you want to attract attention like that if shtf tomorrow


Understood... so long as a SHTF/attack/heightened level of government attention doesn't strike within a certain timeframe.

Although I seriously have no clue on how long he'd be on "the list" for that large of a purchase.

Still though, in this day and age, he's doing nothing wrong.
Circuits  [Team Member]
1/29/2012 5:38:45 AM
I have purchased pallets of ammo with no ill effects.

That was post 9/11, but long before the present day - though undoubtedly I'm on all sorts of watchlists anyway, for being an 07/C2 and machinegun owner, and licensed instructor, etc, yada yada.

Restrictions on number of loaded rounds you can store will be a matter of state or local ordnance. Nothing like that (yet, at least) out here in the notionally free southwestern states.
g-shooter  [Team Member]
1/29/2012 10:24:11 AM
Arrange pick-up at a large gunshow, and have it be in cash....not that I have done any of that.
hotbiggun42  [Team Member]
1/29/2012 12:57:50 PM
The guy you need to ask left the country today to look at buying 55 million rounds of 5.56
Marty369  [Team Member]
1/29/2012 1:01:21 PM
There was a guy in AK that posted about buying a pallet of ammo last year. Bought it for his friends and him due to their remote location. I think he bought it from Aim Suplus, so they might be able to tell ya about any issues.
Firebird69  [Team Member]
1/29/2012 1:37:05 PM

Originally Posted By kaos:
I remember reading that some jurisdictions had an 'Arsenal Law' proscribing legal quantities.
I have no direct knowledge, but I'd have to look into it before I answered one way or another.

Some areas have "Fire Codes" that limit your ammo amount as well.
brandy12  [Member]
1/29/2012 1:50:59 PM
Their should be no problems. The government only flag deposits over a certian amount if it is cash. If they flagged all transaction over 10k they would have millions to look at a day.
Krinkplinker  [Member]
1/30/2012 2:17:37 PM
Originally Posted By xachary82:
Originally Posted By StevesZZ5:
Transactions over a certain amount (I believe it's $5,000.00 now for DHS, used to be $10,000 per for many IRS flags) are flagged by the DHS and some other government agencies and financial institutions. This may vary with wire/Western Union, EFT, etc. Add the fact that it's a firearm related transaction, and I bet the idiots in power will take a second glance. Stupid, I agree, but if you're not doing anything wrong, let them flag all they fucking want.


disagree.. would you want to attract attention like that if shtf tomorrow


If shtf tommorow, I think the feds might be a little more preoccupied with other things.

For my own shtf purposes, I quite literally keep my truck parked in the garage, facing outward, with all the important stuff ready to go. Fuck if I'm going to be staying anywhere in that neighborhood.

foreman2000  [Team Member]
1/30/2012 11:45:16 PM
Buy all you can at the next gunshow and bring cash and go back home.
sleepdr  [Team Member]
1/30/2012 11:55:49 PM
One of my practice partners has a friend who occasionally buys ammo by multiple pallets, to the point that he gets a nice price break. I was informed today that he took the liberty of reserving another 500 rounds for me. It's variable in quantity & bullet weight, but the price is always right. I still have half a case of nice Fed TRU 55 grain overstock/mixed headstamp that cost me less than XM193 during the Obama scare.
flyguync  [Team Member]
1/31/2012 12:39:52 AM
I don't know about the pallet thing, but you might try to find the guy on here that said he has 350,000 rounds of .223
Unicorn  [Industry Partner]
1/31/2012 4:29:00 AM
It's only cash transactions over a certain amount, and it's been in place for a couple decades. It's about drug money.
If anyone were actually tracking this, there's be a lot of people to watch. You don't need an FTL to sell ammo, just to make it, so the guys buying just to sell at gun shows would have spoken up long ago.

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Aimless  [Site Staff]
1/31/2012 5:32:54 AM
I've bought pallets and gotten price breaks, no big deal.
chevellemrwl  [Member]
1/31/2012 12:43:55 PM
Originally Posted By Aimless:
I've bought pallets and gotten price breaks, no big deal.


I'd love to see your purchase orders to see how many "pallets" you bought. I'm sure it doesn't even come close to the average guy.
ODA_564  [Life Member]
1/31/2012 10:17:49 PM

Originally Posted By StevesZZ5:
Transactions over a certain amount (I believe it's $5,000.00 now for DHS, used to be $10,000 per for many IRS flags) are flagged by the DHS and some other government agencies and financial institutions. This may vary with wire/Western Union, EFT, etc. Add the fact that it's a firearm related transaction, and I bet the idiots in power will take a second glance. Stupid, I agree, but if you're not doing anything wrong, let them flag all they fucking want.

That is for cash deposits, / transactions - not purchases with a check or loan or credit card.

I have bought a pallet of ammo (7.62x39mm blank) and no one cared or reported it. Bought 14K of 7.62x54R. No one cared or reported it. Bought 10K of .30'06. No one cared or reported it.
colt100  [Member]
2/1/2012 8:03:05 PM
Learn to reload and stock pile components. A nice dillon auto would work nicely and you'd be able to make all the ammo you want for yourself. You don't need an FFL to reload, just if you manufacture for others.