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 warning...tula ammo....update with pics...
trophyhunter1  [Team Member]
6/1/2011 8:07:43 AM EST
i bought 2 boxes of tula ammo from my walmart,just to see how it shoots... well ti locked up my ar pretty good,bent my cleaning rod while trying to get the round out.
got the round out and there on the side is a defect in the casing,like a little extra metal. so if you shoot this stuff check it out good before you load your mags..
btw does tula stand behind there ammo?? or should i just go and complain to walmart,as someone needs to buy me a new cleaining rod!

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SA80Dan  [Team Member]
6/1/2011 8:32:12 AM EST
GIve'em a try....and let us know how you get on! :)

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ETA: I've seen one off issues similar to that with all sorts of ammo brands, both domestic and foreign....it happens.
Maryland_Shooter  [Team Member]
6/1/2011 10:27:24 AM EST
In other news, cheap ammo is - well - cheap
InfiniteGrim  [Team Member]
6/1/2011 12:08:47 PM EST
Tula doesnt support their ammo. Wolf does, which is why the extra $10-20 per thousand is well worth it.

There is a huge thread on where tula 45 blew a guys HK to bits. Wolf told him if it was their ammo he would have a new gun within a week or two, but they gave him Tula's number which they never responded to him.
afroney  [Member]
6/1/2011 12:11:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By trophyhunter1:
i bought 2 boxes of tula ammo from my walmart,just to see how it shoots... well ti locked up my ar pretty good,bent my cleaning rod while trying to get the round out.
got the round out and there on the side is a defect in the casing,like a little extra metal. so if you shoot this stuff check it out good before you load your mags..
btw does tula stand behind there ammo?? or should i just go and complain to walmart,as someone needs to buy me a new cleaining rod!


I just finished shooting 2000 rounds of Tula ammo, purchased online. I did not have any stuck cases in my LMT Piston, but had plenty in my Century Golani. Had plenty of misfires in both rifles.

I would spend just a tad more and buy some Brown or Silver Bear.
rodical  [Team Member]
6/1/2011 3:21:44 PM EST
lesson is that if your chamber is not true .556, you'll have rounds stuck.
RRALower  [Member]
6/1/2011 4:51:18 PM EST
My RRA carbine eats Tula as well as any other ammo. I buy every box in Walmart every time I go. My wife works for Walmart so the discount makes the ammo even more attractive.
afroney  [Member]
6/1/2011 5:51:39 PM EST
Originally Posted By rodical:
lesson is that if your chamber is not true .556, you'll have rounds stuck.


Might explain the Century Golani. You would think an AK based rifle would not be ammo picky, but it is. I suspect the factory Green Mountain non chrome-lined barrel chambered in .223.
Dmstarkenburg  [Member]
6/1/2011 11:42:27 PM EST
my gun shoots tula better then pmc. pmc short stroked a lot. but only had one problem after shooting a couple hundred rounds of tula. I got a shell stuck, and had to take it to the gun smith to get it out.
phoenix27  [Member]
6/2/2011 10:11:10 PM EST
Originally Posted By afroney:
Originally Posted By trophyhunter1:
i bought 2 boxes of tula ammo from my walmart,just to see how it shoots... well ti locked up my ar pretty good,bent my cleaning rod while trying to get the round out.
got the round out and there on the side is a defect in the casing,like a little extra metal. so if you shoot this stuff check it out good before you load your mags..
btw does tula stand behind there ammo?? or should i just go and complain to walmart,as someone needs to buy me a new cleaining rod!


I just finished shooting 2000 rounds of Tula ammo, purchased online. I did not have any stuck cases in my LMT Piston, but had plenty in my Century Golani. Had plenty of misfires in both rifles.

I would spend just a tad more and buy some Brown or Silver Bear.


-1 for Tula, +1 for Silver Bear
Firebird69  [Team Member]
6/3/2011 7:28:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
In other news, cheap ammo is - well - cheap

ETA: http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=268
Dace  [Team Member]
6/3/2011 8:28:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By afroney:
Originally Posted By rodical:
lesson is that if your chamber is not true .556, you'll have rounds stuck.


Might explain the Century Golani. You would think an AK based rifle would not be ammo picky, but it is. I suspect the factory Green Mountain non chrome-lined barrel chambered in .223.


It has a US manufactured barrel.



Aimless  [Site Staff]
6/3/2011 8:58:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By trophyhunter1:
i bought 2 boxes of tula ammo from my walmart,just to see how it shoots... well ti locked up my ar pretty good,bent my cleaning rod while trying to get the round out.
got the round out and there on the side is a defect in the casing,like a little extra metal. so if you shoot this stuff check it out good before you load your mags..
btw does tula stand behind there ammo?? or should i just go and complain to walmart,as someone needs to buy me a new cleaining rod!

what brad of AR? 223 or 556? I have several cases of tula that I have not shot yet
Drgslayr  [Member]
6/3/2011 10:54:43 AM EST
Ive shot 5000+ tula and wolf ammo through my Bushmaster and close to 1000 through my Girlfriends Del-Ton with zero issues.
trophyhunter1  [Team Member]
6/3/2011 7:24:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By trophyhunter1:
i bought 2 boxes of tula ammo from my walmart,just to see how it shoots... well ti locked up my ar pretty good,bent my cleaning rod while trying to get the round out.
got the round out and there on the side is a defect in the casing,like a little extra metal. so if you shoot this stuff check it out good before you load your mags..
btw does tula stand behind there ammo?? or should i just go and complain to walmart,as someone needs to buy me a new cleaining rod!

what brad of AR? 223 or 556? I have several cases of tula that I have not shot yet


it was .223 shot out of a rra..
i sent tula an e-mail no response yet.. i`ll post up a pic of the casings, when i get a chance..
jdub229r  [Member]
6/4/2011 3:54:06 PM EST
+1

I think I may be over 1000 rounds total in three diffent rifles (2 - chrome lined 5.56 chambered DTI's & a SS 5.56 chambered DPMS) - never any issues with Tula. Just like you; if Walmart has it on the shelf I buy every box. I've also used 250 rounds of the white box Ulyanovsk I bought at a fun show - no issues. I've never used Wolf or Brown Bear in either rifle - but I have had good success with Silver & Golden Bear in variuos bullet weights.
carothers22  [Member]
6/4/2011 5:05:50 PM EST
Why shoot cheap ammo
trophyhunter1  [Team Member]
6/4/2011 5:16:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By carothers22:
Why shoot cheap ammo


not everyone has your cash......
Justin3  [Member]
6/4/2011 5:27:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By carothers22:
Why shoot cheap ammo



Because that's what you're supposed to do with ammo.

Edited...VA-gunnut
trophyhunter1  [Team Member]
6/5/2011 3:19:41 PM EST
update with pics in op
carothers22  [Member]
6/5/2011 3:45:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
In other news, cheap ammo is - well - cheap


+1
Aimless  [Site Staff]
6/5/2011 3:57:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By carothers22:
Why shoot cheap ammo

I've shot mountains of cheap ammo.
taggart_lumpy  [Member]
6/5/2011 11:45:04 PM EST
this stuff has worked great for me thus far while out plinking
SA80Dan  [Team Member]
6/6/2011 4:18:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By carothers22:
Why shoot cheap ammo


Same reason as you shoot expensive ammo, but for less money,
trophyhunter1  [Team Member]
6/6/2011 10:29:35 AM EST
We are sorry to hear about our ammunition failing to eject from your rifle. If you could give us your home address and the amount you need to be reimbursed for, we can get a check out to you soon. How many boxes do you still have? We would like to get the remaining ammo you have back for us to examine. I can issue a UPS return label by email. Again, we apologize for the inconvenience and hope to resolve this issue soon.

Regards,

Adam Whitehead
TULAMMO USA, INC.
www.tulammousa.com

got this today..... they might be trying to make it right after all...
Nbr3car  [Member]
6/6/2011 7:19:40 PM EST
Shoot and enjoy. I have dumped 1000s with no problems. I will dump 100s more this weekend. Comment - It is not as dirty as reported. It is much more accurate than reported. Haters just like to hate. They should really check their 15s if steel gives them problems... I shoot brass as well, but not as often. I'm not poor and I'm not rich. I am practical.
caser  [Member]
6/6/2011 9:27:53 PM EST
do the unfired cases have the same scrape on them?
SA80Dan  [Team Member]
6/7/2011 8:36:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By trophyhunter1:
We are sorry to hear about our ammunition failing to eject from your rifle. If you could give us your home address and the amount you need to be reimbursed for, we can get a check out to you soon. How many boxes do you still have? We would like to get the remaining ammo you have back for us to examine. I can issue a UPS return label by email. Again, we apologize for the inconvenience and hope to resolve this issue soon.

Regards,

Adam Whitehead
TULAMMO USA, INC.
www.tulammousa.com

got this today..... they might be trying to make it right after all...


Well that's good news - sounds like you might get your $7 for your cleaning rod after all!
trophyhunter1  [Team Member]
6/7/2011 10:16:50 AM EST
Originally Posted By SA80Dan:
Originally Posted By trophyhunter1:
We are sorry to hear about our ammunition failing to eject from your rifle. If you could give us your home address and the amount you need to be reimbursed for, we can get a check out to you soon. How many boxes do you still have? We would like to get the remaining ammo you have back for us to examine. I can issue a UPS return label by email. Again, we apologize for the inconvenience and hope to resolve this issue soon.

Regards,

Adam Whitehead
TULAMMO USA, INC.
www.tulammousa.com

got this today..... they might be trying to make it right after all...


Well that's good news - sounds like you might get your $7 for your cleaning rod after all!


IT WAS $8 DAMN IT!!! ...

if they stand behind there ammo i`ll keep shooting it..no prolbems here

StevesZZ5  [Team Member]
6/7/2011 7:46:07 PM EST
Why do the pictures look like you either had a double feed and/or a bolt ride-over...and then fired the rounds afterwords, thus fire forming the cases and having what you have in the picture?

Just asking is all, but it looks exactly like that.

I've shot 2,500+ rounds of Tula and Wolf, and haven't seen the problems you've described. I know 2,500 is small beans in the grand scheme of the probable millions of Tula rounds produced, but those rounds look so signature of FTF's that have been re-chambered and then fired.
triburst1  [Team Member]
6/8/2011 8:36:18 AM EST
My ARs (all 5.56 chrome) love Wolf and I've never had any problem with it other than being a little dirty. Last week I picked up three boxes of Tula and loaded two mags to try it out. In 60 rounds, I had two stuck cases that had to me removed ala cleaning rod and 3 dud primers. No more Tula for me.
1Devildog  [Member]
6/8/2011 8:44:48 AM EST
Those marks look like there is a flaw in your chamber, not the ammo. The way the flaw is repeated exactly on each case is not likely on factory ammunition. Also, if those flaws were there on the live, unfired round, I'm surprised they even chambered. How about a pic of the ammunition before firing, showing this flaw.

1DD
akrado  [Team Member]
6/8/2011 11:51:59 AM EST
Got pics of teh unfired ammo? What lot number on the boxes?
_Matt_  [Team Member]
6/8/2011 2:30:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By 1Devildog:
Those marks look like there is a flaw in your chamber, not the ammo. The way the flaw is repeated exactly on each case is not likely on factory ammunition. Also, if those flaws were there on the live, unfired round, I'm surprised they even chambered. How about a pic of the ammunition before firing, showing this flaw.

1DD

i have seen similar (not quite so big) marks on steel case ammo just from carbon buildup


1Devildog  [Member]
6/8/2011 3:52:25 PM EST
Carbon buildup would create a depression or dent in the case. A flaw in the chamber will allow the expanding case to fill the flaw, creating a bump or raised area in the shape of the defect in the chamber. I have a 7.62x39mm steel case that was fired in a supposedly de-milled war trophy AK-47. There was a 1/8" hole drilled into the side of the chamber. When the rifle was fired, the case expanded into this void, leaving a bump in the side of the chamber, very similar to what I see in the pic. Amazingly the case did not rupture and it was extracted normally when fired.

I'll bet the OP's rifle chamber is not chromed and that there is a small gouge in it, possibly from improper cleaning techinque.

If this flaw has always been there, it might not have been noticed before if only brass cases were used since they are more forgiving.

Just my $.02

1DD
trophyhunter1  [Team Member]
6/8/2011 4:11:52 PM EST
anwser a few questions... chrome lined bore.... and clean, no build up..cases were bulged out, not in...
no double feeds and shot after wards...out of a box these were the only 3 bad ones i found and i didn`t notice till after they were shot.. 2 came out with the charging handle.. last one is the one i broke the cleaning rod...i like cheap ammo too so don`t pick at me...just thought i would post this so you guys can keep a lookout for this....

looks like my work is done here...
mike12345  [Member]
6/8/2011 6:07:42 PM EST
im not rich either but i'll still spend the extra cash on good quality ammo. Buy american, make jobs for americans, help fix the economy.

have good ammo in your cashe during SHTF.
floridahunter07  [Team Member]
6/10/2011 3:45:56 PM EST
I shot a few boxes of Wolf in mine, after two mags of rapid fire I got a stuck case and it tore the rim off. Bent my cleaning rod getting it out too.
Nichonator  [Team Member]
6/10/2011 4:01:44 PM EST
If you get it cheap dont bitch that its not 100 percent. If I buy black Hills federal, Winchester, etc. I expect the 100% reliability factor.
If I go cheap I dont. live and learn and try another brand.
Papi4baby  [Team Member]
6/10/2011 4:07:13 PM EST
I have shot about 300 rounds of Wolf (same shit as Tula) from my RRA no problems, also from my Ruger.
carothers22  [Member]
6/10/2011 4:15:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By trophyhunter1:
Originally Posted By carothers22:
Why shoot cheap ammo


not everyone has your cash......


Lol I have to reload I'm so poor. Really ia doesn't cost much more for good ammo.
tacosmasher  [Member]
6/11/2011 12:24:00 PM EST
Damn, I just put 200 rounds of tula .40 s&w through my xd this afternoon. I didn't have any issues, i guess ill have inspect them if i get any more if it.
MagnusM4  [Member]
6/11/2011 1:03:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By carothers22:
Originally Posted By trophyhunter1:
Originally Posted By carothers22:
Why shoot cheap ammo


not everyone has your cash......


Lol I have to reload I'm so poor. Really it doesn't cost much more for good ammo.


"Good ammo" is only twice as expensive as cheap steel cased stuff....that's no big deal, right?
CA_TX-Cop  [Life Member]
6/11/2011 1:26:13 PM EST
And this is in reference to the red and black box "TulAmmo" you see at Walmart right now?

How does that stuff compare to the white generic box "Tula" ammo that is coming from Cabela's, Cheaperthandirt, and Sportsman's Guide?

I bought 2000 rounds of the white box stuff and have gone through about 600 of it so far with no problems.

Just wondering if it's the same stuff in a different box, or if it's different stuff?

CA_TX-Cop
WKshooter  [Team Member]
6/12/2011 4:50:23 PM EST
Just finished several mag dumps today in the desert with Tula ammo. No problems in 300 rounds, just had to bring out the gun blast to spray out the chamber when I got home...rifle is a BCM middy..
RRALower  [Member]
6/13/2011 7:41:12 AM EST
Just keep your chamber clean. If you're shooting a lot, some lube never hurts.
Krink  [Member]
6/13/2011 6:00:04 PM EST
i've only got about 800 rds through a 16" and a 20" both Colt barrels with zero issues and figured I would probably stick to BB/SB for plinking but it sounds like maybe their customer service is responding to well customers so maybe I will try some more of this
X02Wyvern  [Member]
6/13/2011 6:52:04 PM EST
Originally Posted By CA_TX-Cop:
And this is in reference to the red and black box "TulAmmo" you see at Walmart right now?

How does that stuff compare to the white generic box "Tula" ammo that is coming from Cabela's, Cheaperthandirt, and Sportsman's Guide?

I bought 2000 rounds of the white box stuff and have gone through about 600 of it so far with no problems.

Just wondering if it's the same stuff in a different box, or if it's different stuff?

CA_TX-Cop


IIRC, the black box is made in the Tula plant and the white box is made in the Ulyanovsk plant. Both plants are owned by the same company "Tula Cartridge Works". Also, the Herters brand that Cabela's carries has a Ulyanovsk headstamp so it should be the same as the white box Tula.

SA80Dan  [Team Member]
6/14/2011 4:16:53 AM EST
Originally Posted By Krink:
i've only got about 800 rds through a 16" and a 20" both Colt barrels with zero issues and figured I would probably stick to BB/SB for plinking but it sounds like maybe their customer service is responding to well customers so maybe I will try some more of this


Personally I'd stick with your original plan....BB/SB (or WPA as well these days); the Barnaul produced stuff is just that much more consistently loaded which translates into better accuracy and reliability. I'd only go with any Tula product if it was significantly cheaper; its currently the same price so no point.
JoeInCT  [Member]
6/15/2011 5:30:02 AM EST
Originally Posted By Nbr3car:
Shoot and enjoy. I have dumped 1000s with no problems. I will dump 100s more this weekend. Comment - It is not as dirty as reported. It is much more accurate than reported. Haters just like to hate. They should really check their 15s if steel gives them problems... I shoot brass as well, but not as often. I'm not poor and I'm not rich. I am practical.


I'm glad you are having the great enjoyment you have had with that ammo; however, there are some of us who have not had the same enjoyment, and are no where near as happy with it as you. That doesn't make us haters, it just makes us shooters with different experiences and opinions. I've broken extractors on a rifle and a handgun, chronoed the ammo at 2,700 fps out of the barrel versus 3,100 fps for XM193, and found my cleaning time over twice what good ole' Made in USA ammo requires of me. I will shoot what 62gr steel I have left out of my VEPR-K because that's what kind of ammo Kalashnikof-style 1-minute-of-barn-door rifles were intended to shoot, and when I want to reach out and touch something reasonably accurately at 200 to 300 yards with my AR-15 I will go to my Win 62 gr FMJ, and 115 gr 9mm Blazer Brass in my B92FS and 180 gr 40 s&w in my B96 at 25 yards.

And my Legacy doesn't like 87 octane ARCO gas (detonates like crazy), so I go next door to my Gulf dealer for his 87 octane, which it seems to love..
And I painted my house brown because that makes it look nice and is also an environmentally preferable color in the New England states, not because I hate blue.

ALMODUX  [Team Member]
6/15/2011 7:53:57 AM EST
Dirty? Sure. Possible laquer issues? Sure. OTT, I have had no failures whatsoever with around 2000 rounds of the re-branded Academy stuff, in two of my non-chromed, cheapo M&A parts uppers that are 'dedicated' for shooting cheap and lots of it. FWIW. Any ammo can have an occasional issue. With a case bulging outward in only one spot? Chamber? An out of spec case with enough chamber room to bulge will expand pretty uniformly, if your chamber is uniform. I've seen that with some older stuff. A round that jumps the feedlips early can get gouged by the chamber on feeding like that, but not 'bulged'. On the other hand, you might gauge the cases vs unfired vs other makes unfired, and see if it is a uniform stretch, and it's merely trying to split there? In that case though, you'd think it would fall right out? Just musing enough to make my grunt brain hurt. LOL
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