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safe1  [Member]
4/18/2011 10:22:32 AM
I have looked for some reviews but haven't found much. Anyone here have any experience with the 62gr steel core (unpainted tip)?

The price on this link is WAY higher than what it can be found for with a little searching on the web.
http://dealer.americantactical.us/products?product=679
evenflow  [Member]
4/18/2011 10:42:54 AM
Not accurate, clean, and easily reloadable.
Wulfmann  [Member]
4/18/2011 11:24:55 AM
Some have reported terrible function in some guns but works alright in others. However, most everyone agrees it is very inaccurate.

Gee Muslim country claiming 1moa trying to sell it to American dogs when some test show there is no ammo as inaccurate as this Scheise.

I almost bought some locally at a great price and the guy was anxious even offering to deliver it to my house. Did search and posted here about it and quickly canceled the sale. AR15.com saved me some grief there and now hopefully you can.

Want the best M855?? Buy the very opposite of a Muslim produced version, The Israeli IMI M855 tested best for accuracy and while it is still available at Wideners get some as it might be all gone soon. I have put my money where my mouth is on this ammo.

Annoying the dare to call this Muslim ammo "American"
Don't be fooled it is not American and not because it is Muslim, don't care where it comes from it just happens to be crap


Wulfmann
Jolkm  [Member]
4/18/2011 1:47:06 PM
It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of statistics. Many members here (myself included) have had FTE problems with it, and most of those who didn't still had mediocre accuracy. granted most military FMJ rounds and clones thereof are generally far from match grade, they can usually achieve ~2-4 MOA, whereas the ATI stuff usually won't do better than ~4-6 MOA.

Oh, and about MY experience with it, I won't bother posting the wall of text I have several times in the past describing how bad it was, I'll just simplify it as; I had an FTE that was bad enough it hard-locked the action, eventually I managed to get the rifle apart after much comical struggling, then a cleaning rod in the muzzle, pointing the muzzle down, and slamming it on a table really hard a bunch of times to get the damned stuck case out, it was stuck THAT badly.

Avoid the ATI ammo like the plague IMO. If you want an inexpensive M855/SS109 type round, i'd go with PMC X-Tac, a lot of people here have had much better luck with it than the ATI junk, and it can be found for about the same price.
safe1  [Member]
4/18/2011 3:19:38 PM
I've had good luck with the PMC X-Tac in the past. I'll check and see if Widners still has IMI.

Thanks!
InfiniteGrim  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 3:23:24 PM
Shoots very well in my 16" Armalite carbine, but my 18" SPR jams every other round with it

Quick velocity comparison.



SA80Dan  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 3:32:16 PM
Originally Posted By evenflow:
Not accurate, clean, and easily reloadable.


That sums it up perfectly, in my experience.
safe1  [Member]
4/18/2011 3:59:51 PM
Ordered 3 cases of the IMI from Wideners. Thanks for the info guys.
BIKECOP29  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 4:03:03 PM

Originally Posted By safe1:
I've had good luck with the PMC X-Tac in the past. I'll check and see if Widners still has IMI.

Thanks!

They do. Ordered 300rds for my SHTF stash several hours ago.
BIKECOP29  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 4:04:23 PM

Originally Posted By safe1:
Ordered 3 cases of the IMI from Wideners. Thanks for the info guys.

Damn. I only got 300rds. Must be nice to have $$$.
HS2  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 8:13:33 PM
I tried 90 rounds. It all went bang but the accuracy was really poor.
safe1  [Member]
4/18/2011 8:26:10 PM
Originally Posted By BIKECOP29:

Originally Posted By safe1:
Ordered 3 cases of the IMI from Wideners. Thanks for the info guys.

Damn. I only got 300rds. Must be nice to have had, (past tense) $$$.


Fixed

kwrangln  [Member]
4/20/2011 10:56:44 PM
Screw it, I ordered a couple cases of the ATI stuff. Figure at the price point it's comparable to Tula and Wolf but cleaner and with more velocity. If it hits the accuracy of the commie stuff I'll be happy. I'll report back when I get a chance to get home and shoot some of it. If it's crap then oh well, I'll burn it up plinkin and get something else.
damcv62  [Life Member]
4/21/2011 10:47:01 AM
It goes bang every time. It was over priced when it first got brought in, but its come down a good bit. I'd blast with it.
MeatAxe556  [Member]
4/21/2011 1:49:32 PM
Originally Posted By Wulfmann:
Some have reported terrible function in some guns but works alright in others. However, most everyone agrees it is very inaccurate.

Gee Muslim country claiming 1moa trying to sell it to American dogs when some test show there is no ammo as inaccurate as this Scheise.

I almost bought some locally at a great price and the guy was anxious even offering to deliver it to my house. Did search and posted here about it and quickly canceled the sale. AR15.com saved me some grief there and now hopefully you can.

Want the best M855?? Buy the very opposite of a Muslim produced version, The Israeli IMI M855 tested best for accuracy and while it is still available at Wideners get some as it might be all gone soon. I have put my money where my mouth is on this ammo.

Annoying the dare to call this Muslim ammo "American"
Don't be fooled it is not American and not because it is Muslim, don't care where it comes from it just happens to be crap


Wulfmann



"Yesss, but such ammunition come in such nice, colorful box for to appeal to infidels!!!"

I took a look at it, but seeing that ammo packaged as "American" was actually made in Turkey (rather "Turkiye"), my BS meter went off and I passed. Good thing, apparently.



UT-ARShooter  [Member]
4/21/2011 2:53:23 PM
I've shot a bit of it. Somewhere to the tune of 600 rnds or there about. I like it. It's not accurate like they say it is (1 MOA at 100 yds.) but I get about 2 to 3 MOA at 100 yds. out of my Spikes Mid 16'. I plan to shoot some out of my dad's 20" AR this weekend. Some people have stated it didn't do well with longer barrels. It's cheap enough that you could test it and not waste a ton of money to find out it your gun doesn't like it.
Wulfmann  [Member]
4/21/2011 4:18:55 PM
Originally Posted By UT-ARShooter:
I've shot a bit of it. Somewhere to the tune of 600 rnds or there about. I like it. It's not accurate like they say it is (1 MOA at 100 yds.) but I get about 2 to 3 MOA at 100 yds. out of my Spikes Mid 16'. I plan to shoot some out of my dad's 20" AR this weekend. Some people have stated it didn't do well with longer barrels. It's cheap enough that you could test it and not waste a ton of money to find out it your gun doesn't like it.


When Wolf is under 20 cents a round delivered ( 2K rounds $395. to my door from AIM)I can't think of this mediocre (being generous, IMO) Turkish Scheise as being cheap. If it was 20-22cents it would be fairly priced and if you have a gun that shoots it good for you.

For a few pennies more the IMI shoots far more accurately and in every gun so why settle for less?
Use the IMI as defensive and the Wolf for blasting (or the PMC if brass cases are a must) as these all work great in any/every AR/M4

I am not saying you are wrong. Whatever works for you is right for you. Just offering a counter point as I see it


Wulfmann
EriktheRedd  [Member]
4/21/2011 5:02:05 PM
Sounds like the new "Adcom". Not accurate, FTE etc..... Personally I have never had problems with Adcom and I just shot 200rds of the Turkish stuff 1week ago out of my CMMG m4 and Didn't have any problems. Accuracy was average but far from dismal.
kwrangln  [Member]
4/21/2011 5:21:38 PM
Originally Posted By MeatAxe556:
Originally Posted By Wulfmann:
Some have reported terrible function in some guns but works alright in others. However, most everyone agrees it is very inaccurate.

Gee Muslim country claiming 1moa trying to sell it to American dogs when some test show there is no ammo as inaccurate as this Scheise.

I almost bought some locally at a great price and the guy was anxious even offering to deliver it to my house. Did search and posted here about it and quickly canceled the sale. AR15.com saved me some grief there and now hopefully you can.

Want the best M855?? Buy the very opposite of a Muslim produced version, The Israeli IMI M855 tested best for accuracy and while it is still available at Wideners get some as it might be all gone soon. I have put my money where my mouth is on this ammo.

Annoying the dare to call this Muslim ammo "American"
Don't be fooled it is not American and not because it is Muslim, don't care where it comes from it just happens to be crap


Wulfmann



"Yesss, but such ammunition come in such nice, colorful box for to appeal to infidels!!!"

I took a look at it, but seeing that ammo packaged as "American" was actually made in Turkey (rather "Turkiye"), my BS meter went off and I passed. Good thing, apparently.






ATI stands for American Tactical IMPORTS
Do you really think that an IMPORTER is going to be selling US made stuff?

Kind of hard to IMPORT US made stuff to the US.

Just sayin...
SIPCAT-C  [Member]
4/21/2011 5:41:53 PM
I didn't have much problem with it accuracy-wise.

I'd buy it again.

I bought some in probably late '09.
Wulfmann  [Member]
4/21/2011 5:58:54 PM
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
I didn't have much problem with it accuracy-wise.

I'd buy it again.

I bought some in probably late '09.



Please buy it and leave the IMI and other ammo for us.
There is a limited amount of ammo and the prices are set to reset at higher levels so whatever ammo works in your gun stock up now or wish you had.

This ammo has a interesting reputation of working OK in some guns and not at all in others with no rhyme or reason being reported.


Wulfmann
SIPCAT-C  [Member]
4/21/2011 6:02:04 PM
Originally Posted By Wulfmann:
Originally Posted By SIPCAT-C:
I didn't have much problem with it accuracy-wise.

I'd buy it again.

I bought some in probably late '09.



Please buy it and leave the IMI and other ammo for us.
There is a limited amount of ammo and the prices are set to reset at higher levels so whatever ammo works in your gun stock up now or wish you had.

This ammo has a interesting reputation of working OK in some guns and not at all in others with no rhyme or reason being reported.


Wulfmann


Could be 'batch-to-batch' type stuff.

I believe you (and others) that claim they have had problems. I just haven't experience them yet.
...mostly shooting a RR mid-length
MeatAxe556  [Member]
4/21/2011 8:52:55 PM
Originally Posted By kwrangln:
Originally Posted By MeatAxe556:
Originally Posted By Wulfmann:
Some have reported terrible function in some guns but works alright in others. However, most everyone agrees it is very inaccurate.

Gee Muslim country claiming 1moa trying to sell it to American dogs when some test show there is no ammo as inaccurate as this Scheise.

I almost bought some locally at a great price and the guy was anxious even offering to deliver it to my house. Did search and posted here about it and quickly canceled the sale. AR15.com saved me some grief there and now hopefully you can.

Want the best M855?? Buy the very opposite of a Muslim produced version, The Israeli IMI M855 tested best for accuracy and while it is still available at Wideners get some as it might be all gone soon. I have put my money where my mouth is on this ammo.

Annoying the dare to call this Muslim ammo "American"
Don't be fooled it is not American and not because it is Muslim, don't care where it comes from it just happens to be crap


Wulfmann



"Yesss, but such ammunition come in such nice, colorful box for to appeal to infidels!!!"

I took a look at it, but seeing that ammo packaged as "American" was actually made in Turkey (rather "Turkiye"), my BS meter went off and I passed. Good thing, apparently.






ATI stands for American Tactical IMPORTS
Do you really think that an IMPORTER is going to be selling US made stuff?

Kind of hard to IMPORT US made stuff to the US.

Just sayin...



Admittedly, I didn't get much past "American Tactical" before "Made in TURKIYE" reached up and grabbed me, which raised a big red flag. I wasn't sure where "Turkieye" was, possibly next to Concordia? At any rate, it didn't sound good.

Turki - eye...it sounded like some muslim equivalent to "in a pig's eye."

UT-ARShooter  [Member]
4/21/2011 9:06:29 PM
Originally Posted By Wulfmann:
Originally Posted By UT-ARShooter:
I've shot a bit of it. Somewhere to the tune of 600 rnds or there about. I like it. It's not accurate like they say it is (1 MOA at 100 yds.) but I get about 2 to 3 MOA at 100 yds. out of my Spikes Mid 16'. I plan to shoot some out of my dad's 20" AR this weekend. Some people have stated it didn't do well with longer barrels. It's cheap enough that you could test it and not waste a ton of money to find out it your gun doesn't like it.


When Wolf is under 20 cents a round delivered ( 2K rounds $395. to my door from AIM)I can't think of this mediocre (being generous, IMO) Turkish Scheise as being cheap. If it was 20-22cents it would be fairly priced and if you have a gun that shoots it good for you.

For a few pennies more the IMI shoots far more accurately and in every gun so why settle for less?
Use the IMI as defensive and the Wolf for blasting (or the PMC if brass cases are a must) as these all work great in any/every AR/M4

I am not saying you are wrong. Whatever works for you is right for you. Just offering a counter point as I see it


Wulfmann


Wolf doesn't shoot well in every gun. Even the same ammo will not always shoot the same from batch to batch. Sure, you can buy Wolf for 20 cents. PMC .223 55 gr is fine, but like the Wolf, is not 5.56. Neither of those are steel core either. I will buy ATI for 30 cents and reload the 5.56 brass. Now, I like the PMC Xtac much better than the ATI if we are going apples for apples.
Wulfmann  [Member]
4/21/2011 9:45:54 PM
My point is if you are going to spend what you have to for ATI crap buy IMI which is considered the best M855 and just a little more than ATI

ATI is a brass cased equivalent of Wolf. By that I mean they are plinking ammo you would not trust with your life (I wouldn't) but I perceive a far greater percentage of satisfaction with Wolf that ATI and Wolf is not claiming to be superior ammo like ATI does and that is total BS.

Privi M855 is far superior to ATI but again, if you are spending that much per round it makes no sense not to get the IMI both the M855 and M193.

That reminds me, I should buy some more IMI myself.


Wulfmann
kwrangln  [Member]
4/21/2011 11:37:25 PM
Originally Posted By Wulfmann:
My point is if you are going to spend what you have to for ATI crap buy IMI which is considered the best M855 and just a little more than ATI

ATI is a brass cased equivalent of Wolf. By that I mean they are plinking ammo you would not trust with your life (I wouldn't) but I perceive a far greater percentage of satisfaction with Wolf that ATI and Wolf is not claiming to be superior ammo like ATI does and that is total BS.

Privi M855 is far superior to ATI but again, if you are spending that much per round it makes no sense not to get the IMI both the M855 and M193.

That reminds me, I should buy some more IMI myself.


Wulfmann



IMI just a "little" more than ATI? You are talking $0.39 per round vs $0.26 per round, that adds up in a hurry when you go through 3-500 per range trip.

I already said, price wise I'm comparing it to Wolf or Tula, but cleaner and with higher velocity.

Maybe I'll be back on here in a month singing your lines about it being crap, but maybe not, who knows. It's plinkin/training ammo, as long as it goes bang it's all good.

BiggerStick47  [Team Member]
4/24/2011 10:35:23 PM
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goodasgone81  [Member]
4/25/2011 12:50:43 AM
I'll admit I've only shot about 500 rounds of the stuff but I've not had any problems out of my 16" middy, just ran 100 rounds through with a buddy this weekend thought the accuracy was okay for what it is
MeatAxe556  [Member]
4/26/2011 3:47:08 AM
Originally Posted By kwrangln:
Originally Posted By Wulfmann:
My point is if you are going to spend what you have to for ATI crap buy IMI which is considered the best M855 and just a little more than ATI

ATI is a brass cased equivalent of Wolf. By that I mean they are plinking ammo you would not trust with your life (I wouldn't) but I perceive a far greater percentage of satisfaction with Wolf that ATI and Wolf is not claiming to be superior ammo like ATI does and that is total BS.

Privi M855 is far superior to ATI but again, if you are spending that much per round it makes no sense not to get the IMI both the M855 and M193.

That reminds me, I should buy some more IMI myself.


Wulfmann



IMI just a "little" more than ATI? You are talking $0.39 per round vs $0.26 per round, that adds up in a hurry when you go through 3-500 per range trip.

I already said, price wise I'm comparing it to Wolf or Tula, but cleaner and with higher velocity.

Maybe I'll be back on here in a month singing your lines about it being crap, but maybe not, who knows. It's plinkin/training ammo, as long as it goes bang it's all good.




I think what annoyed me about the ATI ammo is the way it's packaged, in a hight end, illustrated box with AMERICAN TACTICAL in big bold print (the "Imports" is in fine print, barely readable) and the "Made in Turkiye" is in much lighter text. Obviously, ATI is trying to portray their ammo as something it is not (at least at first glance).

So, I pick up a box and get excited thinking it's some hot new ballistically engineered ammo made in the Good Ol' USA that's going to blow bad guys to smithereens for not too much money per round –– only to find out it's made in Turkey. The only things that Turkey is renowned for producing are oriental rugs, dope and travertine tiles –– none of which I'm interested in.

http://dealer.americantactical.us/products?product=679

If they were more honest in their advertising, they would put it in a plain jane cardboard box and call it "Turkey Shoot" –– probably save a few extra dinars (or whatever) on the fancy box to make it more worthwhile (cheaper).



Wulfmann  [Member]
4/26/2011 11:51:20 AM
First the ATI I have seen is 30 cents a round

Second Wideners gets $10.50 a box of 30 IMI M855 which is 35cents.

I can buy Wolf 2k rounds from AIM for $395.00 shipped which makes it 19.75 cents a rounds delivered.

Now, what my point was should be obvious. If saving money really matters and to some it does, then the real savings for a more dependable ammo than ATI is the Wolf.
If you are willing to make a bigger than 50% per round increase then the IMI for an additional 15% would be logical particularly considering it is vastly more accurate, cleaner, and more reliable.

Shoot what makes you happy but don't expect distortions in simple math to not be challenged.


Wulfmann
goodasgone81  [Member]
4/26/2011 1:19:13 PM
Originally Posted By Wulfmann:
First the ATI I have seen is 30 cents a round

Second Wideners gets $10.50 a box of 30 IMI M855 which is 35cents.

I can buy Wolf 2k rounds from AIM for $395.00 shipped which makes it 19.75 cents a rounds delivered.

Now, what my point was should be obvious. If saving money really matters and to some it does, then the real savings for a more dependable ammo than ATI is the Wolf.
If you are willing to make a bigger than 50% per round increase then the IMI for an additional 15% would be logical particularly considering it is vastly more accurate, cleaner, and more reliable.

Shoot what makes you happy but don't expect distortions in simple math to not be challenged.


Wulfmann


You seem to have some very strong opinions, where is the data to back up all these claims you make?
UT-ARShooter  [Member]
4/26/2011 1:43:46 PM
Originally Posted By goodasgone81:
Originally Posted By Wulfmann:
First the ATI I have seen is 30 cents a round

Second Wideners gets $10.50 a box of 30 IMI M855 which is 35cents.

I can buy Wolf 2k rounds from AIM for $395.00 shipped which makes it 19.75 cents a rounds delivered.

Now, what my point was should be obvious. If saving money really matters and to some it does, then the real savings for a more dependable ammo than ATI is the Wolf.
If you are willing to make a bigger than 50% per round increase then the IMI for an additional 15% would be logical particularly considering it is vastly more accurate, cleaner, and more reliable.

Shoot what makes you happy but don't expect distortions in simple math to not be challenged.


Wulfmann


You seem to have some very strong opinions, where is the data to back up all these claims you make?


On top of that, throughout this entire topic Wulfmann,I get the impression as though you've never shot ATI yet you make strong claims against it. Have you shot it?





kwrangln  [Member]
4/26/2011 5:53:24 PM
Originally Posted By Wulfmann:
First the ATI I have seen is 30 cents a round

Second Wideners gets $10.50 a box of 30 IMI M855 which is 35cents.

I can buy Wolf 2k rounds from AIM for $395.00 shipped which makes it 19.75 cents a rounds delivered.

Now, what my point was should be obvious. If saving money really matters and to some it does, then the real savings for a more dependable ammo than ATI is the Wolf.
If you are willing to make a bigger than 50% per round increase then the IMI for an additional 15% would be logical particularly considering it is vastly more accurate, cleaner, and more reliable.

Shoot what makes you happy but don't expect distortions in simple math to not be challenged.


Wulfmann


I did make a mistake when punching numbers into the calc and divided by 1000 instead of 1200 for the IMI case. Still, doing the math right it comes out to $.32 per round ignoring shipping ($389/1200 rd case).

The price I paid for the ATI was $259/990 case = $.26 per round. 2 days after I ordered it went up to $289/990 case.


Be careful with those distortions in simple math.



Wulfmann  [Member]
4/26/2011 8:35:56 PM
I have shot it and it workd OK for me but was about as accurate as Wolf so can't see the point to spend more and get less. It was also as dirty as the Wolf.
26 cents was certainly cheap but as you then stated the fair comparison is 29 vs 32. I apologise for being too strong but as you pointed out the numbers were off. Thanks for saying so.

I have shot the IMI and the extensive testing done here my Molon of various rounds prooved IMI M855 as the most accurate of all military 5.56 ammo followed by Winchester Ranger (much higher priced) and then IMI M193.

Those were not my tests and i did not personally shoot all the various brands Molon shot in my various AR types but in my guns (PWS MK114, LBC M4, Keltech SU16CA) the IMI was head and shoulders superior to any and every ammo i shot except the Privi 69and 75gr match ammo.

I have to say I have started leaning more to the IMI M193 as my preference.
While there is little or nothing regarding their practice performance I like the short range tumbling 55gr bullet over the over penetrating 62gr bullet.

My Keltech does not always set off the Wolf primer and sometimes catches a spent case in a closing bolt on reloads. It also does this although rarely, with Privi, ATI, LC, WC and Federal. The only ammo it has never had any malfunction with is IMI
The PWS and LBC seem to eat anything but when ammo is dirtier I prefer not using it in the DI LBC M4 for obvious extra cleaning reasons.

Never a Wolf shooter as of late I have been using it because I do a lot of fast close combat stuff where even Wolf is better than I am so when i don't have to reload it and it still cost less my not using the Wolf in my PWS MK114 piston where the dirt is contained in the piston and no longer relevant.

Is that enough experience to merit having an opinion???


Wulfmann
kwrangln  [Member]
4/26/2011 9:14:44 PM
I'm just looking forward to getting into brass cased ammo for a marginal increase in price over Wolf so I don't have to deal with stuck cases anymore. That alone is worth it.
UT-ARShooter  [Member]
4/26/2011 11:43:43 PM
Originally Posted By Wulfmann:
I have shot it and it workd OK for me but was about as accurate as Wolf so can't see the point to spend more and get less. It was also as dirty as the Wolf.
26 cents was certainly cheap but as you then stated the fair comparison is 29 vs 32. I apologise for being too strong but as you pointed out the numbers were off. Thanks for saying so.

I have shot the IMI and the extensive testing done here my Molon of various rounds prooved IMI M855 as the most accurate of all military 5.56 ammo followed by Winchester Ranger (much higher priced) and then IMI M193.

Those were not my tests and i did not personally shoot all the various brands Molon shot in my various AR types but in my guns (PWS MK114, LBC M4, Keltech SU16CA) the IMI was head and shoulders superior to any and every ammo i shot except the Privi 69and 75gr match ammo.

I have to say I have started leaning more to the IMI M193 as my preference.
While there is little or nothing regarding their practice performance I like the short range tumbling 55gr bullet over the over penetrating 62gr bullet.

My Keltech does not always set off the Wolf primer and sometimes catches a spent case in a closing bolt on reloads. It also does this although rarely, with Privi, ATI, LC, WC and Federal. The only ammo it has never had any malfunction with is IMI
The PWS and LBC seem to eat anything but when ammo is dirtier I prefer not using it in the DI LBC M4 for obvious extra cleaning reasons.

Never a Wolf shooter as of late I have been using it because I do a lot of fast close combat stuff where even Wolf is better than I am so when i don't have to reload it and it still cost less my not using the Wolf in my PWS MK114 piston where the dirt is contained in the piston and no longer relevant.

Is that enough experience to merit having an opinion???


Wulfmann


I take your word as it is. I totally agree with the IMI M193 being great ammo. Hands down better than ATI, even with it being a slightly different ammo. Wish I had bought a shit ton of that before the price went up to current levels.

SA80Dan  [Team Member]
4/28/2011 9:43:46 AM
Originally Posted By MeatAxe556:
[quote]

I think what annoyed me about the ATI ammo is the way it's packaged, in a hight end, illustrated box with AMERICAN TACTICAL in big bold print (the "Imports" is in fine print, barely readable) and the "Made in Turkiye" is in much lighter text. Obviously, ATI is trying to portray their ammo as something it is not (at least at first glance).

So, I pick up a box and get excited thinking it's some hot new ballistically engineered ammo made in the Good Ol' USA that's going to blow bad guys to smithereens for not too much money per round –– only to find out it's made in Turkey. The only things that Turkey is renowned for producing are oriental rugs, dope and travertine tiles –– none of which I'm interested in.

http://dealer.americantactical.us/products?product=679

If they were more honest in their advertising, they would put it in a plain jane cardboard box and call it "Turkey Shoot" –– probably save a few extra dinars (or whatever) on the fancy box to make it more worthwhile (cheaper).



Actually the Turks are capable of producing some very good stuff - the industrial complex that produces this ammo (MKE) is well renowned and makes everything from pattern HK small arms under license, through mortar rounds, bombs and missiles, tanks and self propelled artillery pieces. Their modern small arms cartridge facilities are of a high standard capable of production to meet NATO requirements.

That said, with that background.....this ammo continually falls short of expectation. My theory on it (and it is only a theory as I can't prove it) is that ATI have worked out a deal to pick up rejected ammo lots, or the stuff we are getting over here is just produced from the "leftovers" of the production for the Turk military.

My experience of this ammo in both 5.56 and 7.62 has been that it has always gone bang, but the accuracy has been very mediocre. And I think a lot of the complaints we see with it stem from the fact that they advertise it as "This ammo has been tested to perform to sub MOA standards"....yeah right, what a pile of crap! If they didn't say that, I think people would lower their expectations accordingly and treat it as general blastin' ammo it really is.
Wulfmann  [Member]
4/28/2011 10:04:39 AM
Originally Posted By UT-ARShooter:
I take your word as it is. I totally agree with the IMI M193 being great ammo. Hands down better than ATI, even with it being a slightly different ammo. Wish I had bought a shit ton of that before the price went up to current levels.



I agree. I bought 3 cases (2 M855 and 1 M193) then the sale ended and I realized even with a $60.00 a case increase, ergo 5 cents a round, when the quality factor is considered it is still the best buy, sad as that is, available. So, I picked up 2 more cases of M193 and another M855.

I truly hope I will be crying I paid too much but I fear in a year quality ammo will be 20%+ higher.

Does anyone remember when the highest quality match ammo was a ridiculous $1.00 a round????
Does anyone remember when Wolf was 10cents a round and over priced????
Does anyone really know what we will remember about today's prices in the spring of 2012???


Wulfmann
Wulfmann  [Member]
4/28/2011 10:27:22 AM
Originally Posted By SA80Dan:
Actually the Turks are capable of producing some very good stuff - the industrial complex that produces this ammo (MKE) is well renowned and makes everything from pattern HK small arms under license, through mortar rounds, bombs and missiles, tanks and self propelled artillery pieces. Their modern small arms cartridge facilities are of a high standard capable of production to meet NATO requirements.

That said, with that background.....this ammo continually falls short of expectation. My theory on it (and it is only a theory as I can't prove it) is that ATI have worked out a deal to pick up rejected ammo lots, or the stuff we are getting over here is just produced from the "leftovers" of the production for the Turk military.

My experience of this ammo in both 5.56 and 7.62 has been that it has always gone bang, but the accuracy has been very mediocre. And I think a lot of the complaints we see with it stem from the fact that they advertise it as "This ammo has been tested to perform to sub MOA standards"....yeah right, what a pile of crap! If they didn't say that, I think people would lower their expectations accordingly and treat it as general blastin' ammo it really is.


I thinks that is a fair and accurate assessment.

Wulfmann

yetisoldier  [Member]
4/28/2011 5:06:32 PM
I've never shot ATI, but have alot of other brands including wolf. My main thing after reading this thread is that some people actually think they are going to get into a red dawn situation where they will be fending off advancing hordes (maybe of zombies??). Unless your shooting long range competitions, or for fun, what ever goes bang will be fine. I'm guessing plinking and shooting for fun is was 95% of people with AR's do (I know a few people three gun shoot and hunt, I do think buying quality ammo meant for hunting is important). I mean heck I dear hunt with a more powerful rifle, and turkey hunt with my shotgun. So save some money, buy the cheapest ammo that shoots well for you, and put that extra money into food stores or something like that. Even if that red dawn situation did come I'm sure you would be more happy with wolf or ati and extra food, than more expensive rounds with no or little food.