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notofnow  [Member]
4/1/2010 12:48:25 PM
Is there any info on ballistics tests on wolf, brown bear or just Russian ammo? There's always alot of info on whether they are accurate or reliable but how do they perform on other areas like tissue damage and stuff?
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Forest  [Team Member]
4/1/2010 3:21:04 PM
Haven't read the threads marked 'Read BEFORE posting' tacked at the top have ya?
kaltesherz  [Member]
4/1/2010 3:50:27 PM
Originally Posted By Forest:
Haven't read the threads marked 'Read BEFORE posting' tacked at the top have ya?


Actually you're the one that should probably read it, as the one link to Wolf 55 gr is dead. There isn't any ballistic gel info on generic steel cased Russian ammo i.e. Brown Bear 62 gr HP, I've been looking myself
Forest  [Team Member]
4/1/2010 4:15:53 PM
Originally Posted By kaltesherz:
Originally Posted By Forest:
Haven't read the threads marked 'Read BEFORE posting' tacked at the top have ya?


Actually you're the one that should probably read it, as the one link to Wolf 55 gr is dead. There isn't any ballistic gel info on generic steel cased Russian ammo i.e. Brown Bear 62 gr HP, I've been looking myself


I have look in it, While the pics aren't in there, the answers are.
Zhukov  [Moderator]
4/1/2010 5:29:44 PM
I just noticed that some of the links in the Ammo FAQ under "Ballistic Gelatin Experiments" are bad - I can't log in to the Ammo server for some reason, but this is high on my list of things to fix...
Vapor-Trail  [Member]
4/1/2010 11:35:12 PM
Originally Posted By notofnow:
Is there any info on ballistics tests on wolf, brown bear or just Russian ammo? There's always alot of info on whether they are accurate or reliable but how do they perform on other areas like tissue damage and stuff?


The jackets are usually made of a soft copper washed steel, instead of copper.

They do not fragment at all or deform much. (the standard FMJs at least)

Wounds are punctuate with deep penetration.

Not the best choice for self defense at all.
InfiniteGrim  [Member]
4/2/2010 12:11:28 AM
Originally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
Originally Posted By notofnow:
Is there any info on ballistics tests on wolf, brown bear or just Russian ammo? There's always alot of info on whether they are accurate or reliable but how do they perform on other areas like tissue damage and stuff?


The jackets are usually made of a soft copper washed steel, instead of copper.

They do not fragment at all or deform much. (the standard FMJs at least)

Wounds are punctuate. with deep penetration.

Not the best choice for self defense at all.


All i know is that the JHP bear ammo in .223 does fragment. It makes water jugs exploed, where us fmj ammo zips right through
Zhukov  [Moderator]
4/2/2010 10:36:15 AM

Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:

All i know is that the JHP bear ammo in .223 does fragment. It makes water jugs exploed, where us fmj ammo zips right through

It *may* fragment at very close ranges - I've seen the same thing with Silver Bear 62gr HP. Due to the thick steel jacket, I would not count on it fragmenting at any kind of distance.
Forest  [Team Member]
4/2/2010 3:36:17 PM
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
Originally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
Originally Posted By notofnow:
Is there any info on ballistics tests on wolf, brown bear or just Russian ammo? There's always alot of info on whether they are accurate or reliable but how do they perform on other areas like tissue damage and stuff?


The jackets are usually made of a soft copper washed steel, instead of copper.

They do not fragment at all or deform much. (the standard FMJs at least)

Wounds are punctuate. with deep penetration.

Not the best choice for self defense at all.


All i know is that the JHP bear ammo in .223 does fragment. It makes water jugs exploed, where us fmj ammo zips right through


Not necisarily fragmentation - it could be the JHP Bear yaws earlier than the other FMJ. Did you recover fragments from the jugs?
DocGKR  [Member]
4/3/2010 12:51:26 PM
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19885
notofnow  [Member]
4/8/2010 7:42:01 AM
The reason i ask is because i just bought a bunch of Silver Bear and Brown Bear 62 gr hollow points for plinking cause it's the cheapest ammo i could find. It's funny that the Russian hollow points are cheaper than their fmj where American made hollow points are more expensive than American fmj. Wish i had an open area to do my own testing but all i have are local indoor shooting ranges. I guess what i really wanted to know is if the Russian hollow points expand.
Cliffyy  [Member]
4/8/2010 9:08:15 AM
They'll expand, but don't expect too much. I've had them punch through target and wooden holder leaving little holes. I've used em on critters and they were dead enough to not care
notofnow  [Member]
4/8/2010 11:51:54 AM
Originally Posted By Cliffyy:
They'll expand, but don't expect too much. I've had them punch through target and wooden holder leaving little holes. I've used em on critters and they were dead enough to not care


Amen to that, just curious as to how they compare to low end or mid range American hollow points.
FZ1Steve  [Member]
4/8/2010 2:39:43 PM
I tested the WOLF 75 gr in water jugs. It did fragment and I thought it did pretty well for steel jacket Russian ammo.
Zhukov  [Moderator]
4/8/2010 3:50:33 PM

Originally Posted By FZ1Steve:
I tested the WOLF 75 gr in water jugs. It did fragment and I thought it did pretty well for steel jacket Russian ammo.
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e389/fz1steve/100_0950.jpg

I saw the same thing, but I have NO IDEA at what range it will still fragment. Until I have data that shows it fragmenting at anything other than extreme close range (my guess due to the steel jacket), I won't touch it for SHTF.
FZ1Steve  [Member]
4/8/2010 4:23:57 PM
This is an excellent point and my next project is to test it at 100yrds. I gotta start saving plastic jugs.

notofnow  [Member]
4/9/2010 5:14:21 PM
WHat about the 223 silver bear soft points. I've seen some great feedback on the 308 sp. Some folks are using as hunting rounds.
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