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CEFPARTS  [Member]
1/4/2007 10:46:07 AM
I picked up some of this the other day but can not find any information on it. On the side of the box is the following information: XM855CS SMQ06E302S513 PWAF071815. It is packaged loose, two thousand rounds. On the ring of the cartridge: Nato stamp @12:00, 05 @5:00, LC @7:00. Looks clean, no dents or bad crimps, sealed at primer and crimp. Google only found one hit and it was on GLOCKTALK. Just looking for info. Thanks, Wj
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Schive  [Member]
1/4/2007 1:42:49 PM
I've seen the same thing. I just assumed it was PD because of the bulk packaging. I fired 200 rounds without incident.
AROKIE  [Team Member]
1/4/2007 4:27:31 PM
never heard of any marked CS where did you find it and how much?
CEFPARTS  [Member]
1/4/2007 5:37:14 PM
It was $400/2k or $50/200 at a local retailer, they had half a pallet and have been selling this for atleast a year. This stuff is stamped with "05" on the case, doesn't that mean the manufactured date? I did not see any screwed up casings, dents, mis-seated bullets, etc. I have not shot any of it yet. If this stuff is PD, can you tell that it has been pulled down and reloaded? Wj

ETA: This is a place semi-local and not off the net. They do not have a site.
TXMark  [Member]
1/4/2007 5:53:50 PM
@ $25 per hundred I would be interested in some. Would you mind providing the link?

I would assume the '05' stamp is at least the date of the brass, if not the date of the load.
AROKIE  [Team Member]
1/4/2007 7:21:19 PM

Originally Posted By CEFPARTS:
It was $400/2k or $50/200 at a local retailer, they had half a pallet and have been selling this for atleast a year. This stuff is stamped with "05" on the case, doesn't that mean the manufactured date? I did not see any screwed up casings, dents, mis-seated bullets, etc. I have not shot any of it yet. If this stuff is PD, can you tell that it has been pulled down and reloaded? Wj

ETA: This is a place semi-local and not off the net. They do not have a site.


PD doesnt mean reloaded ammo just rejected first line ammo. i also would like a link to the seller
11BDad  [Member]
1/4/2007 7:32:20 PM
I live near Charleston SC. If its not too far, I would appreciate knowing where your source is. My RRA loves XM855.

Thanks
Schive  [Member]
1/5/2007 8:40:00 AM
I found it at Kieslers in Clarksville IN. I think the hundred round bags were 29.95 at the time, back in July, but I am sure the price has gone up. The box clearly said XM855CS, but I imagine it is just PD. Nobody truly knows what PD stands for, but if you do a search you'll find more than enough info about it. It was in bags of 100, 20 bags to a box, making 2000 rnds, IIRC. I inspected each round and they were fine, just typical LC looking stuff. Accuracy was around 2.5 inches with a TA31RCOA4 and a Bushy 20'' at 100 meters.

The usual PD boxes I recall were 1000 rounds with the warning about some hazardous substance printed on the side.

ETA: Yes, the 05 means 2005.
markm  [Team Member]
1/5/2007 9:02:22 AM
It's floor sweepings that were rejected by Chuck Norris, and the Reloaded by O.J. Simpson for sale as Tier 87 ammo!

Can we get any more "FACTS" crammed into this train wreck of Bull shit, folks?

Schive  [Member]
1/5/2007 9:27:29 AM
Does one guy's assertion that PD is something less than first-rate really qualify this thread as a "train wreck of bullshit?"
markm  [Team Member]
1/5/2007 2:36:08 PM

Originally Posted By Schive:
Does one guy's assertion that PD is something less than first-rate really qualify this thread as a "train wreck of bullshit?"


I would tend to agree that the PD ammo was sub par from the legitimate testimonials that I've seen here. The train wreck is an ongoing perpetuation of myths that are constantly posted as fact on this site.

Every time someone inquires about PD on this site a handful of MORONS will post speculation as though it is factual info. No one has ever provided a singe shred of support to any of their looney assertions of course.
Schive  [Member]
1/5/2007 4:18:01 PM
Was The Great Pretzel Scandal not conclusive? Just kidding.

Now I understand what you meant by train wreck. It was my misunderstanding.

The XM855CS question is still open, though. I wondered if maybe it was just an attempt by ATK to dodge the image problems of the PD suffix. Maybe it was just because of the different packaging. Maybe some guys at ATK did it just to screw with the ARFCOM munitions scholars. Who knows?
WMHM4  [Team Member]
1/5/2007 9:02:45 PM

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By Schive:
Does one guy's assertion that PD is something less than first-rate really qualify this thread as a "train wreck of bullshit?"


I would tend to agree that the PD ammo was sub par from the legitimate testimonials that I've seen here. The train wreck is an ongoing perpetuation of myths that are constantly posted as fact on this site.

Every time someone inquires about PD on this site a handful of MORONS will post speculation as though it is factual info. No one has ever provided a singe shred of support to any of their looney assertions of course.


it's not that one person said it in this thread it's that any and every thread about LC ammo people come out with this tier BS or pulled down and ect... None of it is proven fact but something someone thought sounded reasonable and is now passed around here as gospel. Mark is just trying to put and end to it so when he and myself when I see it try to explain that we don't know if that info is correct and most likely it isn't.
AROKIE  [Team Member]
1/5/2007 9:08:06 PM
So after all, my statement may still be true, since no one actually knows.
WMHM4  [Team Member]
1/5/2007 9:37:44 PM

Originally Posted By AROKIE:
So after all, my statement may still be true, since no one actually knows.


very true (possibly)
11BDad  [Member]
1/5/2007 9:42:13 PM
Wow, you would think this was a national secret. One is in a little box and one is in a large box, and we can't figure out why. My '94 Radway looked better than the Radway they issued my son in Iraq (his words). Figure that one out. He was home for Xmas and we shot some XM855, Quat, S&B, Radway, and WWB .223. In any event, it's all conjecture at this point why it was rejected.
WMHM4  [Team Member]
1/5/2007 9:51:42 PM

Originally Posted By 11BDad:
Wow, you would think this was a national secret. One is in a little box and one is in a large box, and we can't figure out why. My '94 Radway looked better than the Radway they issued my son in Iraq (his words). Figure that one out. He was home for Xmas and we shot some XM855, Quat, S&B, Radway, and WWB .223. In any event, it's all conjecture at this point why it was rejected.


the rejected part is where I think Mark and I beleive the problrm is. Lets take regular XM193, I don't think it is rejected ammo and as some people say "2nd tier". I think it's just a way to get around Federal not being able to sell military ammo to us civi's. There are some Quality control issues with PD ammo but I don't know the deal with that, actually I don't know anything for sure but just my logical opinion
11BDad  [Member]
1/5/2007 10:22:05 PM
I agree, logical is the way to approach the issue. All I know as a newbie is that my scoped RRA Entry Tactical shoots the green tipped stuff 2"@100yds. Hell, I hope they reject more. I need the price to come down.
CEFPARTS  [Member]
1/5/2007 11:39:27 PM
So out of 600 hits only two of us have actually held or shot this specific type of XM855?? I am still looking for more info on this stuff. I plan on taking some to the range this weekend and will post a review soon. Sorry to have drudged up more crap about PD. Wj
longhunter  [Member]
1/6/2007 1:07:55 AM

Originally Posted By WMHM4:

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By Schive:
Does one guy's assertion that PD is something less than first-rate really qualify this thread as a "train wreck of bullshit?"


I would tend to agree that the PD ammo was sub par from the legitimate testimonials that I've seen here. The train wreck is an ongoing perpetuation of myths that are constantly posted as fact on this site.

Every time someone inquires about PD on this site a handful of MORONS will post speculation as though it is factual info. No one has ever provided a singe shred of support to any of their looney assertions of course.


it's not that one person said it in this thread it's that any and every thread about LC ammo people come out with this tier BS or pulled down and ect... None of it is proven fact but something someone thought sounded reasonable and is now passed around here as gospel. Mark is just trying to put and end to it so when he and myself when I see it try to explain that we don't know if that info is correct and most likely it isn't.


I believe this tier crap, reject MO came from our very own moderators yrs ago.
11BDad  [Member]
1/6/2007 7:42:38 AM
CEFPARTS,

Let us know how it shoots. I'm all ears. Since I'm new to this (Oct 06), has Fed /LC XM193 been offered loose?
Not trying to hijack the thread, I just was just curious.

Thanks guys
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