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 Sellier & Bellot SS109 ammo
M4Michael  [Member]
12/14/2005 1:46:57 PM EST
Hello all.

I am thinking of buying a quantity of this ammo and am wondering if anyone has had any experience with it. It is 20 round boxed Sellier & Bellot SS109...green tip...62gr. steel core.

Most ammo I have used from this company has been top notch...I'm just wondering if anyone has had first hand experience with it through an AR. I'll be running it through a Bushy LEO marked Patrolman's carbine using Okay mags.

Thanks for your input!
Michael
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gordon_freeman  [Member]
12/14/2005 1:53:50 PM EST
I've used it before, as it was the second cheapest ammo after Wolf. over at the ammo-oracle however they warn of S&B's causing kabooms, you may want to look around for more info.
donbcivil  [Member]
12/14/2005 3:42:51 PM EST

over at the ammo-oracle however they warn of S&B's causing kabooms, you may want to look around for more info.



I bought a case of S&B 55 grain cartridges a few years ago and have had zero problems. Zero malfunctions, zero pierced primers.

That being said, a match guy mentioned seeing a couple pierced primers with S&B.

Maybe all manufacturers have a bad batch occasionally?
forgiver  [Member]
12/14/2005 3:49:44 PM EST
I had purchased some S&B marked as M-193, but after cutting a bullet in half I discovered that it had a steel jacket with a copper wash That was obviously not anything like M-193, and I chose to return it and exchange it for some Wolf. Your SS-109 could be steel jacketed instead of "steel core".




SPTiger  [Team Member]
12/14/2005 6:48:32 PM EST
I used to shoot a ton of that stuff when I could find it, but I haven't seen it around in a while. I've never had any problems with it and I've shot it year-round, from the hot-as-hell summer to the cold of winter.

I've got about 150 or so rounds of it left but I'd like to find more of it. Where is it available?
Ryno_the_wyno  [Member]
12/14/2005 10:57:06 PM EST
This is my favorite commercial SS109 ammo. Its accurate, consistant and very hot. It performs very well and is affordible. I have probably around 2k of this right now and I would have no problem using it as defensive ammo if I should have too. While I think that LC, IMI and Winchester M855 are probably the best, this would be a very close second IMO. There have been allegations of KB's which seems plausible considering how hot this ammo is, but I have shot thousands of rounds of the SS109 and hundreds of rounds of the "M193" type and have had zero failures.
I highly reccomend it.
EMSflyer  [Member]
12/15/2005 6:28:56 AM EST
It shot very well out of my Rock River DCM rifle.

1 inch groups at 100 yds and 100% function.

CTD used to always have it but not anymore.

I like it!

Flyer
BSTOCK  [Team Member]
12/15/2005 6:54:04 AM EST
Shot well on two out of three ARs. My Colt 20" pre ban and my 16" BM M4 loved it but the the BM 14 1/5" would not cycle it at all. jammed about every third round. Mabye it has a tight chamber ? I don't like the jacketing material used in the S&B. I will use up what I have left with the weapons that like it but won't buy more.
tommygun2000  [Member]
12/15/2005 7:26:44 AM EST
Where are you getting it? I'd like to get some too if your source has it in stock.

I love the stuff. I use it in an AC556 and it functions flawlessly, accurate, consistant and fairly hot.

BARNYARD  [Member]
12/15/2005 1:00:13 PM EST
Does this ammo come in green boxs? would you have any pic?
M4Michael  [Member]
12/16/2005 3:23:44 AM EST
THANKS for the replies all!

Here is the stuff....



From what I understand the gentleman has a whole pallet of the ammo ~80K rounds. He is selling it for $250 per 1K.
tangbang  [Team Member]
12/16/2005 3:49:06 AM EST
So how do we purchase some of that? I'd buy at least 1000 rds.
Punani  [Team Member]
12/16/2005 3:53:46 AM EST
Tag for seller info!
Zhukov  [Team Member]
12/16/2005 7:05:23 AM EST
PLEASE READ THE AMMUNITION REVIEW THREAD TACKED TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE.

S&B is one of the ammunition types expressly reviewed there.
Karl_Withakay  [Team Member]
12/16/2005 8:11:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By forgiver:
I had purchased some S&B marked as M-193, but after cutting a bullet in half I discovered that it had a steel jacket with a copper wash That was obviously not anything like M-193, and I chose to return it and exchange it for some Wolf. Your SS-109 could be steel jacketed instead of "steel core".







S&B ammo is usually steel jacketed, but the SS109 is a true SS109 copper jacketed bullet with a steel penetrator in the tip.
myitinaw  [Team Member]
12/16/2005 8:18:30 AM EST
Ive used 2000 + rounds of it, and
I actually like it.
FMJ  [Member]
12/16/2005 9:09:52 AM EST
SS109 S&B is hotter than M855 @ 25 yards 3184fps and a SD 14 by Chuck Santose
BSTOCK  [Team Member]
12/17/2005 6:42:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By BSTOCK:
Shot well on two out of three ARs. My Colt 20" pre ban and my 16" BM M4 loved it but the the BM 14 1/5" would not cycle it at all. jammed about every third round. Mabye it has a tight chamber ? I don't like the jacketing material used in the S&B. I will use up what I have left with the weapons that like it but won't buy more.



I should have read the original post a little closer. I was thinking of the dark green boxed 223. I never saw that product before the pic was posted. The price is still a little high for me. Any idea of the head stamp date?
Big-Will  [Member]
12/17/2005 12:26:55 PM EST
I got a few boxes of it a while back. At the time I was already having FTE problems with good ammo due to my weak extractor spring. It FTE every single round of the S&B. I replaced my spring and it solved all of my FTE problems with other rounds but I have not tried S&B through it yet. My rifle would probably handle it now but I doubt I will use it again. It might be ok stuff for plinking around but it is really no better than Wolf Polycoat.
Ops  [Team Member]
12/17/2005 6:53:32 PM EST
S&B SS109 is some of the most accurate ammo we have tested, under 1 MOA with about 4 or 5 different ARs. I have some and will buy more when it's on sale.

Ops
thezman  [Team Member]
12/17/2005 7:14:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By Big-Will:
It might be ok stuff for plinking around but it is really no better than Wolf Polycoat.



S&B SS109
FACT: It's loaded to M855 velocities. I've chrono'd it.
FACT: It has a copper jacketed lead core bullet with a steel penetrator tip.
FACT: It has sealed and crimped primers.
FACT: It has sealed projectiles.

Wolf is way underpowered and has no SS109 projectile.
Wolf will not fragment due to its jacket design.
I have no Wolf on hand, so I can't comment on the sealed primers and projectiles.
They are, in my opinion, not even in the same league as far as performance is concerned.

The S&B SS109 has proven to be one of the most accurate rounds I have shot. Wolf, not so much. But I will admit every rifle will be different in it's taste for ammo.
M4Michael  [Member]
12/18/2005 4:56:53 AM EST
Thanks again for the great input guys!!

As requested here is the link to where I found the gentleman who sells this ammo....

www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=41664710
FMJ  [Member]
12/19/2005 8:38:27 AM EST
I Think some guys bash this ammo without even fireing a shot?
When it First came out I sent some to Chuck Santoes to check out I told him I thought is was not very hot and it Turn out I was wrong about it! 3184fps@25yards 14SD Hotter than M855 Plus accurate but not as accurate as Santa barbra
tommygun2000  [Member]
12/21/2005 7:09:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By M4Michael:
Thanks again for the great input guys!!

As requested here is the link to where I found the gentleman who sells this ammo....

www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=41664710



Minimum bid $250? He can keep it for that price, I'll reload my own. Thanks for posting the link though.
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