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 What is your cheapest 22LR build?
obrut  [Member]
3/9/2008 6:55:22 PM EDT
I looked and read through about all of your 22LR builds and I'm now thinking about building one. You guys that have built complete rifles or added the conversion kit to your current rifle, now that you know, what would you do different? I was thinking about building a complete rifle just for .22lr fun. Nothing fancy, I was actually trying to figure out how to build it the cheapest way. I have been looking at stripped lowers, LPKs, plus complete lowers with maybe spike's upper? How can I build a cheap .22 AR?
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3/9/2008 8:49:46 PM EDT
I'm waiting for a spikes upper that I'm going to use on my 223 lower.

So... IMHO budget $600 for the upper and another $100 for some BDM mags.

Dolomite_Supafly  [Team Member]
3/10/2008 4:15:40 AM EDT
I was at a gun show recently and really thought of doing the same thing because vendor was selling alot of what would be needed. The prices at my local shows are generally overpriced but here is what I found at a vendor.

used 1:12 barrels for $125-$150 with front sight and all the hardware to attach to a upper depnding on sites and fluting. (One had flip up sites and was fluted for $140 but was 11.5")
used A2 uppers for $75 or less
used handguards for $10,
used 4 pos stocks with spring and buffer for less than $40
used charging handles for $5
New LPK's for $60

I'm sure he would have put the upper together for little to no money.

Vendors were selling Doublestar lowers for $105 out the door. That included the $10 background fee.

Buy a Ciener kit (If you can find one) for $150 and put it all together.

For less than $600 you can have a dedicated .22lr or just build a dedicated upper for less than $400.

paltik38  [Member]
3/10/2008 6:14:25 AM EDT
I guess cheap can be done. Whats not considered always in the equation is the patience, skills, and tools needed to get the job done. Plus the expert back up if it doesnt work.

It would be a lot more fun to roll your own though and I think thats the reason why people are doing it. With lacking skills and tools doing it on your own would probably cost you more in the end.
obrut  [Member]
3/10/2008 2:14:53 PM EDT
Well I'm new to building my own, what tools would be needed? What about one of those bargin bin rifles with a conversion?
wreckdiver  [Member]
3/10/2008 3:00:05 PM EDT
$140. Drop a Ciener kit in one of my AR's and go shoot. A little more if you factor in my BDM mags and ammo. Not match grade accurate, but plenty good enough for "plinking" which is what rimfires were meant for.
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frey  [Team Member]
3/10/2008 4:22:53 PM EDT
This was built as a dedicated 22 last summer. The barrel assembly and stock are used, everything in between was new. This one has a 20" 1:12 twist barrel and when shot with the proper ammo, is flawless. I probably have $800 or so in it, but could have got out cheaper with different receivers and UP & LP kits (or these receivers and kits from a different vendor).

In answer to your other question about doing it again.....the other lower in the pic is for a second dedicated 22 that's waiting on the barrel assembly and it's JACkass kit. This will be a 16" with a true 1:16 twist rimfire barrel. I'll have a bit more in this one due to the extra expense of the better barrel.

4m4s  [Member]
3/10/2008 6:15:22 PM EDT
I don't know if there is a "cheap" way to do it. I have a kkf .22 lr. barrel $335 + ciener kit $129 plus the other parts needed but it does 3/8" groups at 50 yds. I also have a 1/12 twist cmmg. 223 bbl. $299 + ceiner and other parts =1.5" groups at 50 yds. Both are fun, depends on what you want.
polik6887  [Member]
3/10/2008 6:18:48 PM EDT
got my cz v-22 upper for 200$, with 1 magazine. needed a trip to adco to work right, but now its the shit.
obrut  [Member]
3/10/2008 7:01:55 PM EDT
I want cheap and fun, I don't mind hunting around for parts in the EE or waiting for sales. Those of you that have built ARs in the past and those of you that bought conversions what do think, bargain bin with a conversion or build from parts, or complete lower with spikes upper or what? I guess I'm still to new to know how to do it but I know there has got to be a good cheap combo. For now I'm still reading, searching and learning.
obrut  [Member]
3/14/2008 8:44:27 PM EDT
I have been searching when I can find time. So far I found a DPMS lower stripped receiver for $105 or complete minus stock for $160 from RGuns. I live close to them so I can pick up and only have to pay tax.

So I could do complete DPMS lower for $160 + stock $??+ spikes upper $550

DPMS lower $160 + build upper (this ended up costing more than just buying a complete upper?!?)

CMMG bargain bin rifle for $570 + Ciener conversion $170

So if I bought the complete lower for RGuns for $160 how much would a regular 4 position stock cost? Is there a cheap upper I can buy and add the Ciener kit to?

SpecOps-13  [Member]
3/15/2008 3:41:46 PM EDT
Every day it seems the prices go up. I have a number of AR's, some are very basic and some are really Dressed.. Most are 5.56/.223 a few are 22 LR. Seems that 1 in 9" twist and higher works well for what they are when using a Cieners 22 Long Rifle Conversion. The least Expensive are using Old Colt A1 Uppers 1 in 12" twist, no bolt, no charging handle at $200 OR $225. A1 Uppers seem to be in good supply and in pretty good shape. Check them over though. Most were probably tossed in a box with others at some point. Look down the bore and so on.
For a Rifle with the 22 Conversion Kit without a .223 Bolt, I have a couple that I've done for just over $500 complete. Oly has a Plinker AR for very little more but it comes with a .223 bolt so you still need a conversion.
I use BDM Mags and Wally World Federal Bulk 550's. Only a couple in the box will FTF/FTE. Less than 0.5% isn't bad in my book and for a little over 2 cents a shot........
Cleaning isn't bad either.
Good Luck

Mousehouse  [Team Member]
3/15/2008 4:19:13 PM EDT
Unless you modify some of the parts yourself and build your own it is hard to beat the prices of Spikes, Model 1 sales and others that are making dedicated 22 uppers.
obrut  [Member]
3/15/2008 6:30:11 PM EDT
right now I am leaning towards getting a stripped lower from Rguns for $105 or assembled minus stock for $160 plus the spikes M4 upper with front site for $560 all I would need would be a stock. Not much of a budget build looking at about $800 all said and done. The other option was a stag arms upper from bravo company for $385 but when I add the ciener kit for $170 it comes to $555 for a complete upper. The only advantage is I have a .223/5.56 bolt extra if I wanted to change it back. I have a LE6920 now so I was kind of looking to build just a cheap .22lr AR for fun and to try and build my first AR. I might have to look into building a colt A1 upper.... I need to search and read more. BTW keep the ideas coming.
benzy2  [Member]
3/15/2008 8:32:28 PM EDT
I built a budget AR and then added the .22lr kit to the gun I wanted. The twist rate isn't the best being 1 in 9 but honestly for how I shoot it I don't notice it. The budget AR I bought was an RRA stripped lower for $140 (not so budget but it was a time where NO stripped lowers could be found ANYWHERE so finding anything under $200 seemed like a steal). Then I went to del-ton and bought a rifle upperfor $465. That had me in an AR with a flattop for just a hair over $600 which couldn't be found. Being a flattop I ended up getting a MARS BUIS for about $100. After a while I bought an RRA NM trigger for another $100 or so. Then I bought the Ciener kit from CTD for I think $140. Just the other day I picked up a Bushnell Holosight for another $150 for fun. Had I just wanted a gun that shot both .223 and .22lr I would have gone with an A2 upper instead. Then I would have been able to shoot $100 cheaper to start and then another $150 cheaper now and I would have skipped getting the RRA trigger saving another $100. I didn't want that though and still don't. I wanted to be able to mount a scope for most of the .223 use as I was seriously looking at using it to hunt with as well.

Looking back on it I should have just gone with an RRA CAR. I spent $700 for the rifle with the NM trigger. Having a complete RRA rifle would give me a lot more value now. I don't think I would ever sell this rifle but it would be worth more. I don't know if I would do anything else beyond that. It is just TOO much fun to be able to shoot both .223 and .22lr so I wouldn't personally go with something in the slow twist range personally.
obrut  [Member]
3/18/2008 7:06:15 PM EDT
Model 1 has a .22LR upper for $475 for either the heavy or light weight barrel. I could then get a complete lower minus stock from RGuns for $160 all I would need is a stock and I would be set for around $635+stock... still searching, but this might be the way to go for me.
Mousehouse  [Team Member]
3/19/2008 6:34:29 AM EDT
If you are going to shoot a lot of 22lr I wouldn't buy a 223 upper and install a ciener kit. After a while the gas system will clog up and you will have to take it apart and clean it.

I would buy a dedicated upper from someone and build your lower.

$100-$160 for a lower depending on brand
$50-$65 for a lower parts kit depending on brand
$50-$$$$ for a stock depending on brand
$550-$$$$ for a dedicated 22 upper
$20-$35 per 22 magazine

$750 & up plus magazines
obrut  [Member]
3/19/2008 5:55:33 PM EDT
I called model 1 and they said that they will make there 16" CAR .22lr upper heavy barrel a kit for $50 more. So that would be $525 plus shipping for a complete kit minus stripped lower. Looks like I could do this for $630 complete before shipping and tax. Maybe get a few BDM full body mags and a decent scope and have some fun.
obrut  [Member]
3/22/2008 4:15:03 PM EDT
I made it over to RGuns today and ended up buying a DPMS comlete lower without stock for $160 plus tax. Now I just need to decide on a upper, thinking about getting something with a flat top so I can add a scope to it. Also need to find some BDM mags and a cheap 4 position stock.
AKASL  [Member]
3/23/2008 12:59:27 PM EDT
Here is a pic of the dedicated .22 Long Rifle upper that I built using a Colt conversion unit, a 10/22 bull barrel and a beat up A1 upper receiver. As far as costs go I believe I have roughly $200 into it including the Colt conversion unit. Being able to do all the machining work myself saved me a considerable amount of cash.

Currently I have this upper set up for Night Varmint Hunting.

You'll find the mods I made to get the Colt CU to fire with the BDM mag here Colt CU to BDM mag
obrut  [Member]
3/26/2008 8:25:23 AM EDT
I ended up ordering a model 1 .22LR 16" C.A.R. A3 flattop, heavy barrel, dedicated upper with the full body 30r BDM mag and made it a kit (which includes 4 position stock and LPK) for $50 more for $554 shipped to my door.

I bought a complete lower minus stock from RGuns for $175.20 OTD, so total is $729.20 plus I will have a complete extra LPK.

If I had bought a stripped lower instead (they didn't have any in stock at the time) it would have cost me $667.87 OTD for a complete rifle with one BDM full body 30r mag.

After doing some searching it seems like all said and done I could have maybe done the complete rifle for about $100 less if I would have bought the parts separate and built the upper and lower.
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