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 My latest project... Stevens 77E... (pictures included)
jntmjt1  [Team Member]
12/11/2010 5:12:30 PM
Although this isn't an AR15, I thought some picures of my latest project would be worthy of posting since I know there is some interest here in Vietnam era shotguns. This started out as a Stevens 77F that I bought for $130 on gunbroker; I worked on it as time permitted over the course of a couple of months. Details are below:

1. 77E buttstock, buttpad, and web sling from Sarco
2. 77E style forearm bought from gunbroker, finished with Minwax ebony stain and tung oil
3. I cut the barrel down to 20 inches and installed a new bead sight
4. I disassembled and parkerized it
5. I filled the lettering with white paint, then painted a tail on the "F" to make it an "E"... (this is the whole reason I was holding out for a model 77F... I tell myself there is nothing wrong with me)
6. The barrel band came from Bob at gun-parts.com
7. The 77E sling swivels came from Numrich gun parts
8. The aluminum trigger guard was anodized in "XM gray" by Victor at US Anodizing
9. I bought the paper hang tag from a guy on eBay

It was a fun project... especially since you can find parts dirt cheap if you keep your eyes open.

Pictures are below. The very bottom picture is the "before" picture.

John Thomas

























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GulfCrow  [Team Member]
12/11/2010 5:19:32 PM
Absolutely SWEET!
cda97  [Team Member]
12/11/2010 5:23:54 PM
That shotgun looks great

Were there any parts in particular that were hard to come by?
jntmjt1  [Team Member]
12/11/2010 5:32:55 PM
Originally Posted By cda97:
That shotgun looks great

Were there any parts in particular that were hard to come by?


No, these parts are a dime a dozen. The red buttpad used to be an issue, but Sarco fixed that.

John Thomas

stevejness  [Team Member]
12/11/2010 7:58:52 PM
Very nice job, John
armorer_91f  [Member]
12/11/2010 8:33:38 PM
John,if you don't mind me asking,how much do you have in this build? I would love to do a project like this.
jntmjt1  [Team Member]
12/11/2010 8:42:50 PM

Originally Posted By armorer_91f:
John,if you don't mind me asking,how much do you have in this build? I would love to do a project like this.


I have about $210 in it. That counts the paper tag. Minus that and it's right at $200. You can go higher or lower. As I said, I paid $130 for the shotgun, and that's probably your biggest variable. I've seen them go for less, and I've seen them go for more.

OlGunner  [Team Member]
12/11/2010 8:59:11 PM
Another outstanding John Thomas creation!
Looks first-class. I looked at the pics before reading your notes and when I saw the lettering, I believed it was a 77E. Nice touch editiing the F!

Ebony finish looks great on a shotgun!
cyclicyouth  [Member]
12/11/2010 9:58:44 PM
Beautiful!!
Very worthy post. Thanks
csapow  [Member]
12/11/2010 10:07:59 PM
nice shotgun, I hope to build one someday.
imdBman  [Team Member]
12/11/2010 11:55:46 PM
That is nice. You make me want to go by the one at the local pawn shop for $130. Not sure if it has the tang or trigger safety though.
Madcap72  [Team Member]
12/12/2010 12:57:33 AM
Did you put the U.S. in the side or was it already there?

I ask because in your last picture, the gun is set up like a lot of US marked full length and riot guns.

The black and white stripe stock with brown pachmeyer recoil pad, the weaver style choke. I've been trying to figure out if this is something the military did post war, or if it was just a popular thing to do with postwar guns.
jntmjt1  [Team Member]
12/12/2010 1:05:58 AM
Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Did you put the U.S. in the side or was it already there?

I ask because in your last picture, the gun is set up like a lot of US marked full length and riot guns.

The black and white stripe stock with brown pachmeyer recoil pad, the weaver style choke. I've been trying to figure out if this is something the military did post war, or if it was just a popular thing to do with postwar guns.


I hand stamped the "US" on it. I most likely will never sell it, plus I figured it can't be passed on as a fake since it's a model 77F (never used by the military).

Madcap72  [Team Member]
12/12/2010 1:15:20 AM

Originally Posted By jntmjt1:
Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Did you put the U.S. in the side or was it already there?

I ask because in your last picture, the gun is set up like a lot of US marked full length and riot guns.

The black and white stripe stock with brown pachmeyer recoil pad, the weaver style choke. I've been trying to figure out if this is something the military did post war, or if it was just a popular thing to do with postwar guns.


I hand stamped the "US" on it. I most likely will never sell it, plus I figured it can't be passed on as a fake since it's a model 77F (never used by the military).

Right on, gun looks great BTW!

Cdenmark  [Member]
12/12/2010 2:16:13 AM
Very nice job. Brings back some good memories. Stevens 77F was my first shotgun for X-mas when I was 11. Mine was a civillian model without recoil pad. Still have the box it came in. New it was on sale in 1973 for $59.95 from Woolco Department Store regular $89.95. Dad couldn't pass it up. Wanted me to quit using my LeFever Nitro 12ga double barrel. It was getting pretty worn. Killed 2 deer and 5 rabbits before I ever missed with it. Arms were to short to pump it so I would drop it under my shoulder to rack it. Got pretty good at it too. I remember it being real light with very little kick. Haven't fired it in 30 plus years. Thanks for the pics and the memories.
Calgunner  [Team Member]
12/12/2010 10:23:41 AM
Originally Posted By jntmjt1:

Originally Posted By armorer_91f:
John,if you don't mind me asking,how much do you have in this build? I would love to do a project like this.


I have about $210 in it. That counts the paper tag. Minus that and it's right at $200. You can go higher or lower. As I said, I paid $130 for the shotgun, and that's probably your biggest variable. I've seen them go for less, and I've seen them go for more.


With shipping on all the small parts & the Park & Anno jobs too ($210.00)
jntmjt1  [Team Member]
12/12/2010 10:57:04 AM
Originally Posted By Calgunner:
Originally Posted By jntmjt1:

Originally Posted By armorer_91f:
John,if you don't mind me asking,how much do you have in this build? I would love to do a project like this.


I have about $210 in it. That counts the paper tag. Minus that and it's right at $200. You can go higher or lower. As I said, I paid $130 for the shotgun, and that's probably your biggest variable. I've seen them go for less, and I've seen them go for more.


With shipping on all the small parts & the Park & Anno jobs too ($210.00)


I didn't include shipping and transfer fees in my original price... I was just talking about the gun and parts only. I try to maximize on shipping and order several things at once when placing an order (as I'm sure many others do as well). So I didn't count $5 shipping here and there exclusively to this project. As I mentioned in the original post, I parkerized it, so there was no cost there (I'm already set up for parkerizing).

Here's the approximate breakdown with shipping and the transfer fee:

Shotgun = $150 shipped
Transfer fee = $10
Anodizing = $30 shipped
Stock/sling = $25 shipped
Barrel band = I don't remember (about $15 shipped)
Sling swivels = I don't remember (about $10 shipped)
Forearm = $15 shipped (not required, depending on what your gun has)
Paper tag = $10 shipped (not required)

Approximate parts/anodizing total = $210

Total with shipping and transfer fee included = $265

My apologies for any confusion I created.

John Thomas
86HMMWV  [Member]
12/12/2010 11:01:33 AM
Originally Posted By jntmjt1:
I didn't include shipping and transfer fees in my original price... I was just talking about the gun and parts only. I try to maximize on shipping and order several things at once when placing an order (as I'm sure many others do as well). So I didn't count $5 shipping here and there exclusively to this project. As I mentioned in the original post, I parkerized it, so there was no cost there (I'm already set up for parkerizing).

Here's the approximate breakdown with shipping and the transfer fee:

Shotgun = $150 shipped
Transfer fee = $10
Anodizing = $30 shipped
Stock/sling = $25 shipped
Barrel band = I don't remember (about $15 shipped)
Sling swivels = I don't remember (about $10 shipped)
Forearm = $15 shipped
Paper tag = $10 shipped

Total with shipping and transfer fee included = $265

Still an excellent price. I paid more for a new 870 Express than that.
OlGunner  [Team Member]
12/12/2010 2:11:37 PM
Heck, I'm impressed even by the $10 transfer fee!

Best available price within driving distance here is $20/long gun, $25 pistol. And that's the last "cheap" place––a place I've rewarded with a lot of business over the years. He also sells all new guns for 8% over cost, and gladly special-orders whatever you want. Customer service is great and there are always guys around ready to simply talk guns. Unfortunately, he's been semi-retired for years and just announced another reduction of hours. (On the other hand, if you need something, you can call him at home and he'll meet you at the shop!)

Everyplace else in the region is $30, $40, even $45 for a flippin' transfer.
Maybe it's just central PA, but good gun shops are getting awfully hard to find.

(Sorry––didn't mean to threadjack. Nice shotty!)
Morg308  [Team Member]
12/12/2010 2:22:40 PM
I wasn't going to parkerize mine, but man that looks nice! I need to order a stock and barrel band today. Mine's already a 77E, but I doubt I'll go to the trouble of parking it or adding US property markings. For $150 I just couldn't turn it down though. I've needed a good HD shotgun for years, and it gives me an arm that I can legally take with me when visiting my folks in upstate NY. Really nice job on it!
Andouille  [Team Member]
12/12/2010 2:26:17 PM
Mine looks a lot like JT's but I'm not exactly sure what it cost cost altogether. but, somewhat less than $250 I'd guess. The shotgun itself was a wanut stocked 77M which is the 3" magnum but has the "regular" button safety and receiver. Chopped the barrel myself but had to pay a funsmith to D&T the barrel for a front sight. Got two buttstocks from Gunparts to make sure one was good, and sure enough only one was good enough to use but the second, wretchedly cracked one garnered a swivel that was reused with a front band I formed myself but had to get the same funsmith to drii & tap for a screw. I wasn't smart enought to know how to piece the front band & swivel assembly together, that's why in case you're wondering. Reused the T-slotted recoil pad from the original butt stock and bought a birch slide handle from Gunparts. It's a blued gun and maybe I'll get around to parking it, most likely not. It got a lot of positive comments at a recent tactical match.

I still have a t-slotted recoil pad if anybody is looking for one, shoot me a pm or email if you are.
jjtroutbum  [Member]
12/12/2010 6:29:15 PM
Very nice work indeed.

When the Retro Shotgun (77E) thread last year came up I found myself sitting with an old inherited but very well worn Stevens 820b comparing these. (anyone have a link to that thread or maybe could rescue it from the den of doom if that where it has ended)

And tonight I find myself looking at it again. I am thinking about buying the pad(Searched Sarco could not find it listed online, gotta link?), learning the process to be able to do a decent job parkerizing it if possible. If not might just have to put it back in the closet.
jntmjt1  [Team Member]
12/12/2010 7:05:16 PM
Originally Posted By jjtroutbum:
Very nice work indeed.

When the Retro Shotgun (77E) thread last year came up I found myself sitting with an old inherited but very well worn Stevens 820b comparing these. (anyone have a link to that thread or maybe could rescue it from the den of doom if that where it has ended)

And tonight I find myself looking at it again. I am thinking about buying the pad(Searched Sarco could not find it listed online, gotta link?), learning the process to be able to do a decent job parkerizing it if possible. If not might just have to put it back in the closet.


Here's the link to the stock with buttpad:

http://e-sarcoinc.com/stevensm77buttstockwrecoilpadnewgi.aspx

John Thomas
44Echo10  [Member]
12/13/2010 3:01:53 AM
Looks great
103  [Team Member]
12/13/2010 3:09:16 AM
There's a 77D in great shape in the store I work part time for. I've seriously considered buying it before I saw this thread. Now I have no choice.
ar15guy  [Team Member]
12/14/2010 8:18:43 AM
Originally Posted By jntmjt1:
Originally Posted By jjtroutbum:
Very nice work indeed.

When the Retro Shotgun (77E) thread last year came up I found myself sitting with an old inherited but very well worn Stevens 820b comparing these. (anyone have a link to that thread or maybe could rescue it from the den of doom if that where it has ended)

And tonight I find myself looking at it again. I am thinking about buying the pad(Searched Sarco could not find it listed online, gotta link?), learning the process to be able to do a decent job parkerizing it if possible. If not might just have to put it back in the closet.


Here's the link to the stock with buttpad:

http://e-sarcoinc.com/stevensm77buttstockwrecoilpadnewgi.aspx

John Thomas



Thanks for the link.

Ordered 2 of the stocks with buttpads and now I can finally finish my retro Stevens MODEL 67 shotgun project I started nearly 2 years ago.



HipSh0T  [Member]
12/14/2010 12:58:10 PM
Thank is one on he better ones I have seen in some time, good job!!!
ar15guy  [Team Member]
12/27/2010 9:27:31 PM
Originally Posted By ar15guy:
Originally Posted By jntmjt1:
Originally Posted By jjtroutbum:
Very nice work indeed.

When the Retro Shotgun (77E) thread last year came up I found myself sitting with an old inherited but very well worn Stevens 820b comparing these. (anyone have a link to that thread or maybe could rescue it from the den of doom if that where it has ended)

And tonight I find myself looking at it again. I am thinking about buying the pad(Searched Sarco could not find it listed online, gotta link?), learning the process to be able to do a decent job parkerizing it if possible. If not might just have to put it back in the closet.


Here's the link to the stock with buttpad:

http://e-sarcoinc.com/stevensm77buttstockwrecoilpadnewgi.aspx

John Thomas



Thanks for the link.

Ordered 2 of the stocks with buttpads and now I can finally finish my retro Stevens MODEL 67 shotgun project I started nearly 2 years ago.





Received the 2 stock w/buttpad assemblies. WOW, they look brand new!!

They arrived about 5 days after ordering (via their E-store) and got free shipping for the Christmas holiday...a heck of deal, $35 shipped for 2 stock w/buttpad assemblies.

It was the last thing I needed to finish my retro shotgun project & now I have a second buttstock assy. "just in case" I decide to start another project.





armorer_91f  [Member]
2/12/2011 7:36:29 PM
John,Any leads on the correct GI version fore end? I'm still looking for one.
jntmjt1  [Team Member]
2/12/2011 8:48:51 PM
Originally Posted By armorer_91f:
John,Any leads on the correct GI version fore end? I'm still looking for one.


How bad do you want one? I found this one, but it's pretty steep... $35 + $3 handling + $? shipping.
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=8378975

John Thomas

cda97  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 7:54:35 AM
I had this very good thread saved and brought it back to life because I am building one right now. I bought a stock from Sarco but the buttpad was dry-rotted so I just ordered another one in hopes of receiving a good one. I also just sourced the correct forend which was not easy to find by itself. Parts in common are the Savage/Stevens/Springfield models 67 and 77. Be aware that some models of the 67 are not correct in that they have a top slide safety. Anyways, the pictures that John has posted are a great representation of what one should look like.

I hope this thread helps others in their pursuit of the Savage 77 retro trench gun.
MOMIL  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 11:28:11 AM
That looks pretty good! I would not worry about getting the trigger guard anodized though. On the originals that I have they have the cheap solution. They are painted black and the paint commonly flakes off. I am also not 100% sure on the front sling swivel band. The markings came out really well though. Especially the "E"



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