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 M16 upper receiver w/o shell deflector
VillageGS  [Member]
12/10/2007 9:47:24 PM
Does anyone mfg a M16/M16A1 upper receiver without the shell deflector? I am looking for a NEW one, not a used Colt/FN, etc. You would think that with all the interest in retro builds, someone would mfg one?
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anjan9  [Team Member]
12/10/2007 10:04:02 PM
www.fulton-armory.com/M6Parts3.htm
anjan9  [Team Member]
12/10/2007 10:06:00 PM
www.fulton-armory.com/M6Parts3.htm
unclemoak  [Member]
12/10/2007 10:06:37 PM
I think you might be out of luck, unless of course you want to grind the shell deflector off of new one.

I do know that Fulton armory is selling a new production slick sided one.
shamayim  [Member]
12/11/2007 7:46:53 AM

Originally Posted By unclemoak:
I think you might be out of luck, unless of course you want to grind the shell deflector off of new one.

I do know that Fulton armory is selling a new production slick sided one.


+1

The forward assist types have the shell deflectors. The slickside pieces are just that; no deflector.

Both types are actually DPMS pieces; so before you spend any money w/Fulton, check the DPMS site. Fulton has been known to charge more for their DPMS pieces than the originating outfit. On the other hand, Fulton has been known to have stuff in stock that DPMS was out of.
MACVSOG  [Member]
12/11/2007 2:52:46 PM
What? "The forward assist types have shell deflectors."(???) The first type of upper receiver was the slickside. It did not have a forward assist or a shell deflector. Next came the upper receivers with forward assist only. The A1's only had the forward assist. They did not have a shell deflector. Next came the transitional model that had the forward assist and the shell deflector and the same type of sights. The shell deflector was added to accommodate the left-handed shooter. This was also referred to as the A2 upper with combat sights. It was also used on the Canadian version and is referred to as the C7 model. Then came the A2 upper receiver that had the forward assist and the shell deflector but had the complicated sights with a lot more parts. A lot of people did not like the A2 sights, so a lot of companies have made thier upper receivers to look like this C7, A2 with combat sights, or transitional model. So, the shell deflector is only on the post-Vietnam era rifles and copies of this type of upper receiver. Now they have the flat-top series with the forward assist and the shell deflector.

Charles Tatum
Alamo Professional Arms
Xhado  [Member]
12/11/2007 2:56:38 PM

Originally Posted By MACVSOG:
What? "The forward assist types have shell deflectors."(???) The first type of upper receiver was the slickside. It did not have a forward assist or a shell deflector. Next came the upper receivers with forward assist only. The A1's only had the forward assist. They did not have a shell deflector. Next came the transitional model that had the forward assist and the shell deflector and the same type of sights. The shell deflector was added to accommodate the left-handed shooter. This was also referred to as the A2 upper with combat sights. It was also used on the Canadian version and is referred to as the C7 model. Then came the A2 upper receiver that had the forward assist and the shell deflector but had the complicated sights with a lot more parts. A lot of people did not like the A2 sights, so a lot of companies have made thier upper receivers to look like this C7, A2 with combat sights, or transitional model. So, the shell deflector is only on the post-Vietnam era rifles and copies of this type of upper receiver. Now they have the flat-top series with the forward assist and the shell deflector.

Charles Tatum
Alamo Professional Arms


He wasnt talking overall, he was talking about what www.fulton-armory.com sells.
MACVSOG  [Member]
12/11/2007 9:46:49 PM
Oh, you're right. My bad. I should not try to read and respond to posts in the middle of the night. Oh well, my rant was not appropriate to his comment, but I will leave it up for anyone who just wants a little history of the upper receivers. It will save their having to go to the part of the board with all of the variations for retro and new weapons.

Charles Tatum
Alamo Professional Arms
Makarov  [Member]
12/12/2007 8:35:47 AM
Can a Southpaw shoot an AR without the shell deflector? Experiences from lefties would be appreciated. Thanks!
Xhado  [Member]
12/12/2007 10:16:00 AM

Originally Posted By Makarov:
Can a Southpaw shoot an AR without the shell deflector? Experiences from lefties would be appreciated. Thanks!


My brother is one of your kind and hes never been hit in the face when shooting my SP1.
shamayim  [Member]
12/12/2007 11:27:40 AM

Originally Posted By Makarov:
Can a Southpaw shoot an AR without the shell deflector? Experiences from lefties would be appreciated. Thanks!


This southpaw has been shooting early uppered ARs (and M16s) since 1973, and have gotten exactly one empty back at me. That was from an XM177E2 type off a benchrest.

In recent years I've swapped all the extractor springs off w/Wolff HD types. Now I don't have the bench fired empties clanging off my right Ear Muff from the '177. Rifle fired empties never did.

And Charles, you're forgiven

LonghunterCO  [Member]
12/15/2007 9:58:53 AM

Originally Posted By unclemoak:
unless of course you want to grind the shell deflector off of new one.



Do you all think that this is possible?
mentalstampede  [Member]
12/15/2007 1:20:25 PM
I seem to remember someone postig pictures of one that had been done that way awhile back. As I recall it looked okay, but still not quite right.
thedoctors308  [Team Member]
12/15/2007 1:23:41 PM

Originally Posted By VillageGS:
Does anyone mfg a M16/M16A1 upper receiver without the shell deflector? I am looking for a NEW one, not a used Colt/FN, etc. You would think that with all the interest in retro builds, someone would mfg one?


What's wrong with cheap USGI uppers?
unclemoak  [Member]
12/15/2007 1:28:40 PM

Originally Posted By LonghunterCO:

Originally Posted By unclemoak:
unless of course you want to grind the shell deflector off of new one.



Do you all think that this is possible?


Sure it's possible, you just have to have patience. Proper tools always is a plus too.
LonghunterCO  [Member]
12/15/2007 2:38:25 PM

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

What's wrong with cheap USGI uppers?


Nothing, if you can find one. You have one for sale?
Zach_S  [Member]
12/15/2007 7:57:26 PM

Originally Posted By Makarov:
Can a Southpaw shoot an AR without the shell deflector? Experiences from lefties would be appreciated. Thanks!

It varies. I shoot with my nose to the charging handle, and a buddies SP1 would toss brass in my face or at my neck about 20 or 30 times out of a magazine, dependong on if I used a 20 or 30 round mag. Good thing that weak hand practice never hurts.

I've fired other slick sides that didnt hit me with brass.
LonghunterCO  [Member]
12/15/2007 8:04:01 PM

Originally Posted By LonghunterCO:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

What's wrong with cheap USGI uppers?


Nothing, if you can find one. You have one for sale?


Sarco had them with the whole 20" upper (-CH and bolt) at $310. I was looking to spend less than that.
halfmoonclip  [Member]
12/28/2007 10:02:13 PM

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By VillageGS:
Does anyone mfg a M16/M16A1 upper receiver without the shell deflector? I am looking for a NEW one, not a used Colt/FN, etc. You would think that with all the interest in retro builds, someone would mfg one?


What's wrong with cheap USGI uppers?


Cheap is relative. Always thought I overpaid for mine, tho' it is NOS and came with a BCG (right) and a CH (black, not grey). Actually, it had a buffer tube and what turned out to be an okay A1 stock. In retrospect, I'm glad I snatched it when I did.
Moon
VAAR  [Team Member]
12/28/2007 10:21:05 PM

Originally Posted By unclemoak:

Originally Posted By LonghunterCO:

Originally Posted By unclemoak:
unless of course you want to grind the shell deflector off of new one.



Do you all think that this is possible?


Sure it's possible, you just have to have patience. Proper tools always is a plus too.


I was going to try it for kicks. I cut off a rifle buffer tube, then mounted the upper on it. I stuck the other end of the buffer tube in the lathe chuck mounted on the rotary table, then used a 90 degree adapter to mount the rotary table to the mill table. I rotated the whole assembly around a few times using the rotary table, and decided it just wasn't worth the effort. It would be a pain in the ass, and probably would not look too good in the end, at least with my poor milling skills.

ETA: Gunny's Surplus is still advertising used A1 uppers for $245. That is not too much more than the $190-$210 folks were selling them for on the EE when they were plentiful.
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