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 WANTED pictures of M4's and M653's in the 80's and 90's.
napalm113  [Member]
10/5/2007 12:25:02 PM
What I'm really hoping to see is an m4 being used in Desert storm, but I'm curios to see what kinds of carbine where used during this period, and what accessories they had on them so I can model my AR15's after them.
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JJREA  [Member]
10/5/2007 2:19:40 PM
I'm interested in this also. I have some pics from other operations around that time. Like BHD, but not exactly from Desert Storm. I remember seeing a picture of an army guy shooting a CAR15. Or whatever it's called. XM177. Had the short barrel with the 4.5" moderator with an A1 upper. But that's the only desert storm pic I've ever seen with a carbine.

I can post the pics I got when I get home.
Ekie  [Team Member]
10/5/2007 3:31:21 PM
First order for M4 carbines was 1993.

Carbines in use for DS included the 723, and the 727; details of which can be found in the tacked carbine variation thread.

Aimpoint 3000's were one of the more popular optics of the time.
Thatguy96  [Member]
10/5/2007 5:50:17 PM

Originally Posted By Ekie:
First order for M4 carbines was 1993.

Carbines in use for DS included the 723, and the 727; details of which can be found in the tacked carbine variation thread.

Aimpoint 3000's were one of the more popular optics of the time.

There have also been mention of 720s (XM4s) and COTS Bushmaster XM15 carbines from the Desert Storm period. Never quite sure on that though. If you have any insight into this, it would be appreciated. Finding pictures would probably be difficult to say the least, especially with the possibly dubious nature of these claims. Some special operations units might still have been equipped with the 653 as well.
Bones357  [Member]
10/5/2007 5:55:33 PM
Lots of the exact pics you're looking for here.
captrichardson  [Team Member]
10/5/2007 11:28:41 PM

Originally Posted By Bones357:
Lot's of the exact pics you're looking for here.


You beat me to it!


US Army - limited use with Special Ops Units (SF Groups, Ranger Batts, 160 SOAG)
Colt Model 653
Colt Model 733 (COTS / Unit Purchases)
Possible Colt Model 727?





USAF - primarily Special Ops (PJs, CCTs) and Security Forces
GAU-5/A - Colt Model 610
GAU-5A/A - Colt Model 630 or 649
Colt Model 653
FrankenCarbines - rebuilt USAF Carbines or Rifles







US Navy - limited use with Special Ops Units (SEALs, UDTs, SBUs)
Colt Model 653
Colt Model 723
Possible Colt Model 727?



Good Luck!
"Capt Richardson"
Got_Guns  [Member]
10/5/2007 11:51:29 PM
is there a reason for the twisted handguard in that photo?

always nice to see these oldern pics
scottryan  [Team Member]
10/5/2007 11:55:40 PM

Originally Posted By captrichardson:

Originally Posted By Bones357:
Lot's of the exact pics you're looking for here.


You beat me to it!


US Army - limited use with Special Ops Units (SF Groups, Ranger Batts, 160 SOAG)
Colt Model 653
Colt Model 733 (COTS / Unit Purchases)
Possible Colt Model 727?

i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/HistGrps/Branches/SF733.jpg



USAF - primarily Special Ops (PJs, CCTs) and Security Forces
GAU-5/A - Colt Model 610
GAU-5A/A - Colt Model 630 or 649
Colt Model 653
FrankenCarbines - rebuilt USAF Carbines or Rifles

i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/captrichardson/AFSPDesertStorm.jpg

i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/captrichardson/DShillingAFCC.jpg



US Navy - limited use with Special Ops Units (SEALs, UDTs, SBUs)
Colt Model 653
Colt Model 723
Possible Colt Model 727?

i36.photobucket.com/albums/e30/captcarbine/HistGrps/Branches/USN-1653.jpg

Good Luck!
"Capt Richardson"



That first picture is a XM177E1 without a moderator.
captrichardson  [Team Member]
10/6/2007 2:34:29 PM

Originally Posted By Got_Guns:
is there a reason for the twisted handguard in that photo?

always nice to see these oldern pics


They are turned sideways to deflect the heat out to the sides, it reduces sight picture problems from the heat mirage.

Thanks,
"Capt Richardson"
captrichardson  [Team Member]
10/6/2007 3:27:24 PM

Originally Posted By scottryan:

Originally Posted By captrichardson


That first picture is a XM177E1 without a moderator.


Good Catch!

Partial Fence Lower and Flat Slip Ring are dead giveaways that it is a rebuild of an older model.

I know some of the Army SF and Spec Ops Teams were running the E1's and E2's up into the 80's. Of course by then the 4.5" moderators were being replaced with A1 Flash Hiders, as the picture above shows. Our Team Sgt who was a Vietnam Vet was always having us check the serial numbers on the Carbines because he said he was going to find the one that he had carried back in Nam. I know we had lost almost all of our carbines prior to the 90's, and I don't remember any of them making it to the Gulf. We did have a very small quantity of carbines with 10" barrels which were used for PSD details. I honestly have no idea if they were an E1 rebuild or a COTs 733, I did not pay attention to that kind of detail back in those days. There was a definite dry spell for carbines from the mid 80's to the mid 90's until the 727 and M4 came along.


On the other hand the USAF units ran 5/A and 5A/A rebuilds through the 80's and 90's, and they still have many in service today.


Thanks,
"Capt Richardson"
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