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 Does anyone still use the original GSE pistol buffer?
Sydwaiz  [Member]
4/5/2012 7:52:26 AM EST
Yes or no. I'm trying to keep my pistol build as compact as possible and also as cheap as possible which is why I'm considering the original style GSE buffer/tube over a standard carbine buffer. I know pistols are finicky no matter what and my first try at this with a standard carbine buffer and spring resulted in FTE. My upper is a JSE so I know it's not tier 1 quality and I may have to massage the gas port a bit but am I asking for more trouble with the GSE setup? Any tips or tricks from those still running the old style GSE? Thanks.
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OliverKlohzoff  [Member]
4/5/2012 4:20:59 PM EST
I haven't seen anyone have much luck with the original small spring setup of the 1st Generation GSE pistol buffer kit. The 2nd generation kit works much better if you can keep the spring from going up and over/onto the GSE modified bolt carrier. I swapped the spring out in mine and it runs well now.
travinh  [Member]
4/8/2012 4:47:23 AM EST
Hi Oliver,

I have the 1st gen GSE. I did not have the chance to shoot my setup. Yes, I do feel that the original spring that came with my GSE is weak. Where do you buy the stronger replacement spring for it?

Thanks,
Cal


Originally Posted By OliverKlohzoff:
I haven't seen anyone have much luck with the original small spring setup of the 1st Generation GSE pistol buffer kit. The 2nd generation kit works much better if you can keep the spring from going up and over/onto the GSE modified bolt carrier. I swapped the spring out in mine and it runs well now.


bsojoe  [Member]
4/8/2012 11:29:56 AM EST


I also have the GSE 1st generation but have not taken it to the range yet.
OliverKlohzoff  [Member]
4/8/2012 11:58:18 AM EST
Originally Posted By travinh:
Hi Oliver,

I have the 1st gen GSE. I did not have the chance to shoot my setup. Yes, I do feel that the original spring that came with my GSE is weak. Where do you buy the stronger replacement spring for it?

Thanks,
Cal
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Originally Posted By OliverKlohzoff:
I haven't seen anyone have much luck with the original small spring setup of the 1st Generation GSE pistol buffer kit. The 2nd generation kit works much better if you can keep the spring from going up and over/onto the GSE modified bolt carrier. I swapped the spring out in mine and it runs well now.




Mine is the 2nd generation GSE kit with the full size CAR spring going onto a GSE modified bolt carrier. I'd show you a picture but it seems GSE shut down. A couple weeks ago their website said they were getting out of the complete gun builds business and now the entire site is gone.

I have no idea where you get a better spring for the 1st generation kit.

Here's mine, only 20" long in total. Even the Wilson tennis racket bag is a bit too long :



Sydwaiz  [Member]
4/9/2012 6:17:20 AM EST
Well shit... I was just about to order the 1st gen. Their site was working last week. Hopefully it's only the site that's down and not the company.

Isn't the buffer spring for the 1st gen simply a 1911 spring? I thought I remember reading that somewhere.
travinh  [Member]
4/9/2012 5:18:24 PM EST
Yes, I think it uses the 1911 spring, but I don't know the weight of GSE stock spring. I will try to get the 28 pounds 1911 for it.


Originally Posted By Sydwaiz:
Well shit... I was just about to order the 1st gen. Their site was working last week. Hopefully it's only the site that's down and not the company.

Isn't the buffer spring for the 1st gen simply a 1911 spring? I thought I remember reading that somewhere.


kevinjprice  [Member]
4/10/2012 2:14:03 PM EST
They are still in business, but they are updating their website right now. So you have to www.policeweaponsupply.net in order to access their old website. Hope this helps you out as I was looking to buy one recently also.

Kevin
OliverKlohzoff  [Member]
4/10/2012 4:25:18 PM EST
Thanks for the web address.

This is GSE's 2nd Generation Buffer Kit:




Notice how the spring goes over the GSE modified bolt carrier and pushes it directly. Do any other manufacturers do this ?

Here is GSE's 1st Generation Buffer Kit:

Sydwaiz  [Member]
4/11/2012 5:07:26 AM EST
Thanks for the web address as well. I noticed I don't get 403 forbidden anymore so figured they were doing some changes.

As far as I know, GSE is the only company to make a shortened buffer system in either flavor. I've read about issues for both. On the newer style, I've read where the spring can ride up over the bolt further than it's supposed to and also the forward assist being useless now.

I'm still going to try the original style because it's the cheapest option for a pieced together budget build.
kevinjprice  [Member]
4/11/2012 7:03:23 AM EST
That's my plan too, just have to get the funds together. The Gen 1 can work fine, but it may take changing the 1911 spring out or porting the gas tube to be 100%. I think that it's completely worth it to deal with these issues in order to achieve the compact pistol I'm wanting. Keep us posted on how it goes.
OliverKlohzoff  [Member]
4/11/2012 9:37:43 AM EST
And here's something weird. I had the problem with the 2nd generation kit where the spring would slide up and over the bolt carrier and jam the entire system up. When I emailed GSE about it, they tried to tell me that some other company had copied their design and that I must have the other companies setup. What a bunch of BS ! My GSE full upper has their complete setup with modified chrome bolt carrier. That's why I keep asking if anyone else does a setup like this. To date, nobody has ever shown me another setup like GSE's. And yes, with the 2nd generation kit, the forward assist is useless, just pushes on the spring. Now, having said all that, after replacing the GSE spring that kept going up onto and over the bolt carrier, the system seems to work great. I really like the 20" complete length.
AZBADBOY  [Member]
4/11/2012 3:55:02 PM EST
Asking for problems
kevinjprice  [Member]
4/11/2012 4:56:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By AZBADBOY:
Asking for problems


Why/what makes you say that? I know there are people on both sides of the GSE fence, but I would like to hear your personal reason for such a response.
ilivas  [Member]
4/12/2012 1:05:13 AM EST
Has anyone had success with the 1st gen? I couldn't find any accounts of it. I like the price of the 1st gen, but I am willing to spend more if it works better.
kevinjprice  [Member]
4/12/2012 11:05:27 AM EST
Originally Posted By ilivas:
Has anyone had success with the 1st gen? I couldn't find any accounts of it. I like the price of the 1st gen, but I am willing to spend more if it works better.


There were some people a few years back when I first started my build that had success straight out of the box and quite a few of them who had to modify stuff to make it work (spring/gas tube/etc). Then there were also some who never got it to work quite right and took another direction. People have seemed to have better results with the 2nd Gen, but as stated earlier some are still having issues with them as well.
wheelersburgtarheel  [Member]
4/13/2012 3:45:43 AM EST
i have been using a gen. 1, have around 200 rounds with , no problems.
kevinjprice  [Member]
4/16/2012 3:02:23 AM EST
Did you have to do any modifying to the spring or gas tube or was it plug and play for you?
ilivas  [Member]
4/16/2012 4:05:41 PM EST
I'm curious about this as well.
Sydwaiz  [Member]
4/17/2012 9:39:21 AM EST
I just ordered the original version from LWRC because shipping was about half of what GSE wanted. Won't be able to try it till mid May however. I think I'll pick up some different weight springs to take with me and maybe take a few reamers in case the gas port needs opening.
tankdriver  [Team Member]
4/17/2012 3:48:20 PM EST
I have built three with it. The 1st build was a learning experience, but the next 2 were no problem.
Sydwaiz  [Member]
4/17/2012 4:45:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By tankdriver:
I have built three with it. The 1st build was a learning experience, but the next 2 were no problem.


Care to share your experiences? Tips or tricks to help the community?
kevinjprice  [Member]
4/18/2012 7:15:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By Sydwaiz:
Originally Posted By tankdriver:
I have built three with it. The 1st build was a learning experience, but the next 2 were no problem.


Care to share your experiences? Tips or tricks to help the community?


2nd... I think this information might not only be helpful to those who are currently having issues with their setup, but also to those who are on the fence whether the Gen 1 is right for their build or not.
MasterSergeantA  [Member]
4/18/2012 12:34:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By ilivas:
Has anyone had success with the 1st gen? I couldn't find any accounts of it. I like the price of the 1st gen, but I am willing to spend more if it works better.


I had one a few years back and never had any issues with it. Maybe I was just lucky.
PirateNinja  [Member]
4/18/2012 3:09:08 PM EST
My LWRC PSD uses a 1st gen GSE buffer and I've never had a problem.
tankdriver  [Team Member]
4/18/2012 3:56:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By Sydwaiz:
Originally Posted By tankdriver:
I have built three with it. The 1st build was a learning experience, but the next 2 were no problem.


Care to share your experiences? Tips or tricks to help the community?


Well, it's a balancing act. They tell you to start with your buffer tube turned in till it is about 3 threads behind the detent hole. I would load 1 round in a mag fire it and back it off till it would lock open.

Then load a full mag, and if you need to start running it back in a little till it closes all the way to, then lock it down. Be sure and oil everything welll before you start. The more you fire it, the better it works.

I had to open my gas hole a little, but the 2 I built for my buddies we built from used parts, except for the receiver, which was new, and they needed really nothing except puting them together a little adjusting, and off they went.
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