Beretta 92 full cap mags for an AR ?
With Beretta making factory 92 mags anyone think there is viability in an AR mag block set up to run them.
There are a lot of 92 mags out there and now 30 round factory ones for the carbine crowd.
I would pick one up
in..........like to hear about this too.
Don't have a 9mm set up yet, but commonality with my 92FS would make me consider it.
Originally Posted By mks99:
in..........like to hear about this too.
Don't have a 9mm set up yet, but commonality with my 92FS would make me consider it.
I have a CX4 in 9mm too so I could have 4 rigs that could run the 92 mags.
92FS
CX4 Storm
AR Carbine
AR Pistol
Just need to find some one to make a mag block that is GOOD TO GO.
It's actually a lot more involved than a magblock when trying to get an angled pistol mag fit and feed in an AR magwell. In every case that I have experience with, it would actually require a purpose-built lower and modification to a standard upper (at least the bolt group if not the upper itself) to make it happen.
Steve/RRA
Originally Posted By RRAMODERATOR:
It's actually a lot more involved than a magblock when trying to get an angled pistol mag fit and feed in an AR magwell. In every case that I have experience with, it would actually require a purpose-built lower and modification to a standard upper (at least the bolt group if not the upper itself) to make it happen.
Steve/RRA
So what are the odds that some one will look at this and give it a try?
Originally Posted By JRCmx:
Originally Posted By RRAMODERATOR:
It's actually a lot more involved than a magblock when trying to get an angled pistol mag fit and feed in an AR magwell. In every case that I have experience with, it would actually require a purpose-built lower and modification to a standard upper (at least the bolt group if not the upper itself) to make it happen.
Steve/RRA
So what are the odds that some one will look at this and give it a try?
I would venture to say slim to none.
IIRC, there is a company that makes a receiver that accepts Glock magazines. I'll see if I can find them.
Edit: It's Lone Wolf.
Linky. I know its not exactly what you are looking for, but they would know how.
Originally Posted By RRAMODERATOR:
It's actually a lot more involved than a magblock when trying to get an angled pistol mag fit and feed in an AR magwell. In every case that I have experience with, it would actually require a purpose-built lower and modification to a standard upper (at least the bolt group if not the upper itself) to make it happen.
Steve/RRA
If the mag fits in a standard magwell, why would a dedicated lower be needed? A center feed grease gun and Reising work fine with a standard AR bolt and carrier. Granted they are not angled but the feed lips are center feed like all pistol mags.
I made a crappy magwell insert out of Delrin for a 1911 mag. It would load and eject manually just couldn't work out the mag catch at the time.
Originally Posted By 762minigun2:
Originally Posted By JRCmx:
Originally Posted By RRAMODERATOR:
It's actually a lot more involved than a magblock when trying to get an angled pistol mag fit and feed in an AR magwell. In every case that I have experience with, it would actually require a purpose-built lower and modification to a standard upper (at least the bolt group if not the upper itself) to make it happen.
Steve/RRA
So what are the odds that some one will look at this and give it a try?
I would venture to say slim to none.
And Slim has left town.
Did you notice, the Lone Wolf does not lock the bolt open after the last shot? Why is it such a big deal when that doesn't happen with the 5.56 but people will overlook it in a 9/40/45 AR? If you are going to do a lower then do it right, not halfway and say that's good enough for most people.
As said, to angle the mag to get it to feed in the AR you are going to have the mag in front of the magazine catch and way forward of the bolt catch. It would be a lot of meticulous work for how big a market? I know a guy who did a magazine fed 5.7 x28 using the Five-seveN pistol mag and he had a hell of a time making it work, and then there was no bolt hold open function and he had to use a different type of mag release. He did a ton of work, invested a LOT more money (if time counts for anything) than he could ever sell it for, and it still was not 100% reliable but some of that may have been because he used gas to run it instead of it being a blow back like the PS-90.
Originally Posted By Gingerbreadman:
IIRC, there is a company that makes a receiver that accepts Glock magazines. I'll see if I can find them.
Edit: It's Lone Wolf.
Linky. I know its not exactly what you are looking for, but they would know how.
Olympic Arms did it first...
Originally Posted By TANGOCHASER:
Originally Posted By RRAMODERATOR:
It's actually a lot more involved than a magblock when trying to get an angled pistol mag fit and feed in an AR magwell. In every case that I have experience with, it would actually require a purpose-built lower and modification to a standard upper (at least the bolt group if not the upper itself) to make it happen.
Steve/RRA
If the mag fits in a standard magwell, why would a dedicated lower be needed? A center feed grease gun and Reising work fine with a standard AR bolt and carrier. Granted they are not angled but the feed lips are center feed like all pistol mags.
I made a crappy magwell insert out of Delrin for a 1911 mag. It would load and eject manually just couldn't work out the mag catch at the time.
1. 9mm magwell blocks (except for the Hahn block for Oly 9mm uppers) have a feed ramp on the forward section of the block. This would push the mag toward the rear of the magwell, leaving less room for an angled mag.
2. The mag catch will require some creative engineering.
3. Ditto for the bolt catch.
I've been thinking about making a magwell block for Taurus 92 mags (I prefer the frame mounted safety of the Taurus, to the slide mounted safety on the Beretta), but I currently use Sten mags and an SNS magwell block, so the lack of a bolt catch isn't that big of an issue for me. I won't be starting on it anytime soon, since I've already started on another magblock and have been having trouble finding time to finish milling it (and there's at least one other magblock on the list before the 92 magblock).
Posted by JPN;
1. 9mm magwell blocks (except for the Hahn block for Oly 9mm uppers) have a feed ramp on the forward section of the block. This would push the mag toward the rear of the magwell, leaving less room for an angled mag. This is true for Colt/RRA but not for Oly pistol calibers. Oly blowbacks use the barrel extension as a feed ramp.
2. The mag catch will require some creative engineering. Oly made it work for Glock mags using the existing mag catch slot. Could be made to work with a standard AR mag catch by cutting a new slot in the mags. Would have to see if the AR mag catch can be extended into the magwell to reach the mag and still be able to install it normally.
3. Ditto for the bolt catch. Not necessary if shooters accept the loss.
I've been thinking about making a magwell block for Taurus 92 mags (I prefer the frame mounted safety of the Taurus, to the slide mounted safety on the Beretta), but I currently use Sten mags and an SNS magwell block, so the lack of a bolt catch isn't that big of an issue for me. I won't be starting on it anytime soon, since I've already started on another mag block and have been having trouble finding time to finish milling it (and there's at least one other mag block on the list before the 92 mag block).
Originally Posted By TANGOCHASER:
Posted by JPN;
1. 9mm magwell blocks (except for the Hahn block for Oly 9mm uppers) have a feed ramp on the forward section of the block. This would push the mag toward the rear of the magwell, leaving less room for an angled mag. This is true for Colt/RRA but not for Oly pistol calibers. Oly blowbacks use the barrel extension as a feed ramp.
Yes.
2. The mag catch will require some creative engineering. Oly made it work for Glock mags using the existing mag catch slot. Could be made to work with a standard AR mag catch by cutting a new slot in the mags. Would have to see if the AR mag catch can be extended into the magwell to reach the mag and still be able to install it normally.
Some people aren't inclined to cut extra slots in their mags. I've done it with Sten mags and CZ24 mags, but I wouldn't want to do it with my MecGar mags for my 92. And a quick check with one of my mags indicates that if the 92 mag is centered in the AR's magwell, the standard mag catch won't engage the mag slot enough to reliably hold it. Having to swap the mag catch, each time the magwell block is installed or removed, would be another issue that some people would not want to deal with.
3. Ditto for the bolt catch. Not necessary if shooters accept the loss.
I've been thinking about making a magwell block for Taurus 92 mags (I prefer the frame mounted safety of the Taurus, to the slide mounted safety on the Beretta), but I currently use Sten mags and an SNS magwell block, so the lack of a bolt catch isn't that big of an issue for me. I won't be starting on it anytime soon, since I've already started on another mag block and have been having trouble finding time to finish milling it (and there's at least one other mag block on the list before the 92 mag block).
I'm not saying it can't be done, just that it has enough problems to make it difficult to do at a price that people will be willing to pay. At what point does a lower made with a magwell for the 92 mags, become the cheaper option?Basically an Oly 9mm Glock mag lower but for a 92 mag. Or open up an Oly Glock mag lower to accpet a magwell block for different pistol mags. Mag catch would still need to be looked at. Might be able t use the Oly Glock mag catch with or without some tweaking.
The Lone Wolf lowers basically borrow the Oly mag catch.
Might even try an CNCGuns AR45 lower opened up as much as possible. Would have lots or room for all kinds of mag well blocks for different mags. Mag catch could be lengthened to reach the front of the magwell for activation of the standard pistol mag catch slot.
Just thinking out loud.
