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 Difference Between AR Rifle & Pistol Lower
pedro66  [Member]
12/5/2005 6:13:02 PM EST
Is there any difference between an AR Pistol and Rifle lower receiver as far as I can see non physically but how about in law? / Markings
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eklikwhoa  [Team Member]
12/5/2005 10:15:51 PM EST
nothing physically but some have engraved theres as so.


read the tacked thread up top about it.
jonathon  [Member]
12/6/2005 8:38:58 AM EST
Nothing..

But if you're to lazy to read the threads..

As long as the following are clear:

1) Your dealer DOES NOT describe the virgin lower as a "rifle" on the 4473

2) The receiver has never been a rifle(hence VIRGIN/never been fully ASSEMBLED), which means it has never had a stock on it(remember, pistols can be any length, but rifles require 16" barrel and 26" OAL). So do NOT order a lower with a stock on it, that automatically becomes a rifle.

3) THE FIRST BUILD MUST BE A WORKING PISTOL which means no stock, but any length barrel.

After that you can go pistol to rifle and back to pistol, as long as you take care to NEVER have the stock on at the same time as the pistol upper. Realize that it would be considered an SBR if you took a stocked/rifle receiver and put a pistol upper and no stock.

Be SAFE and LEGAL and research it on your own. I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV. I think Tweak said it best..


hell the IRS has all sorts of delays and work arounds for taxes, I can't remember the last time a gang of IRS guys burnt a bunch of kids to death
BadgerArms  [Team Member]
12/6/2005 10:04:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By jonathon:
2) The receiver has never been a rifle(hence VIRGIN/never been fully ASSEMBLED), which means it has never had a stock on it(remember, pistols can be any length, but rifles require 16" barrel and 26" OAL). So do NOT order a lower with a stock on it, that automatically becomes a rifle.



To clarify, it can never have been assembled with a shoulder stock. You can completely assemble it without the buttstock. The instant you put that shoulder stock on it, magic pixie dust falls from the sky and christens it as a rifle. When first built into a rifle, it's ALWAYS a rifle in the eyes of the BATFE. This is because the NFA restricts "pistols made from rifles" for some silly reason.

"Rifle" doesn't mean you can't build it legally as a pistol, but you must register it as a "Short Barreled Rifle" or SBR for short. Understand that the same IDENTICAL weapon can have three identities.

1) Buy virgin receiver, build it as a pistol. You have a legal pistol.
2) Buy virgin receiver, build it into a rifle, then back to a pistol. You have an illegal "Pistol Made from a Rifle" and you're a Felon.
3) Buy any receiver built anyway. Apply to BATFE to register reciever as an SBR. Wait for approval. Build it as a pistol. Now you have a legally registered SBR.

Now, ALL THREE WEAPONS ARE IDENTICAL. How you treat the paperwork and assembly order that you use to make the weapon decide your felonious state. Good luck.
Lem  [Member]
12/6/2005 10:41:19 AM EST
Actually, since Pedro is in Clark County they will document it for him.

When you buy a "virgin" lower, just take it to the PD and get the required Handgun Registration Card or "Blue Card" as it is called.

Handguns in Clark County NV are required to be registered. It is not a difficult process, just take the handgun to any police station.

You get a nifty little certificate from the police proclaiming your AR to be a pistol. I did this when I built my AR pistol - they did not even question the stripped receiver, just wrote down the info.


All of the rules and specifics mentioned previously in this thread of course apply. Good advice, and following it is recomended - and in Clark County, you get the added bonus of a police issued document proclaiming it's pistol status.


Lem

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