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turb06le240  [Member]
3/24/2012 9:32:04 PM
I was given 3 ammo boxes full of 204 ruger, I like the round, but dont own any rifles in the caliber so I was thinking about getting another 700, until I did a little research and it seems people like the ar15 204 so I figured I will try it...

Ordered a wilson combat fluted stainless 18" mid length 204 barrel, also got the low pro gas block from them.
Ordered the gas tube, YHM diamond middy rail, and upper receiver from SAA
Ordered the Upper parts kit from bownells {no one else has them, had to order everything separately}
And from Midway I got the Daniel Defence BCG, BCM charging handle, and an A2 stock

I while back I bought 2 S&W MP15 lowers, that I had plenty of parts to complete them with- I used a rra 2stage match trigger, kns antiwalk pins, oversized safety selector, Oversized td pins, troy trig guard, and an oversized mag release.. I need to buy a grip for it since all I have it the milspec plastics, which will work until I make up my mind... I assembled some of the lower tonight, so now just a waiting game for the parts to get here... After my discounts the upper is going to cost me about $670 shipped....
OIF_Vet08-09  [Team Member]
3/24/2012 9:49:00 PM
Tits
What all is different from a .223 AR-15?
turb06le240  [Member]
3/24/2012 10:09:11 PM
Just the barrel... I think they make 204 mags, but everyone I talked to says the 556 mags work perfectly... Same Bolt so easy build... BUT the 204 ruger is a 4000 FPS + round... I have a model 700 in 22-250 which is also a fast round, and very impressive, hopefully the 204 is just as nice... I believe itsone of the fastest factory ammos, something like 4200fps..
turp_dog  [Team Member]
3/24/2012 11:36:06 PM
I've been thinking about doing the same. It's just a necked down 223 case, right?
Direct-Drive  [Member]
3/24/2012 11:51:42 PM
Originally Posted By turp_dog:
It's just a necked down 223 case, right?

Nope.
Based on .222 Magnum.
Fits the 5.56 AR magazine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.204_Ruger

PAPPYO  [Team Member]
3/25/2012 8:47:09 AM
Originally Posted By turb06le240:
Just the barrel... I think they make 204 mags, but everyone I talked to says the 556 mags work perfectly... Same Bolt so easy build... BUT the 204 ruger is a 4000 FPS + round... I have a model 700 in 22-250 which is also a fast round, and very impressive, hopefully the 204 is just as nice... I believe itsone of the fastest factory ammos, something like 4200fps..


5.56 mags work fine. I have a 204 I put together with the 24" DPMS barrel. my best accuracy came with lighter bullets 32 gr. and RE10 powder

I could'nt reach 4200 fps. with my loads 4085 was the best before primers showed pressure signs with 32 gr. pills.

I'd suspect a bit more velocity loss in the shorter wilson combat barrel also. not a big deal to me.

I'm pretty sure I'll be ordering the same barrel also for another 204 upper build. Post a review of it's accuracy if ya think about it



turb06le240  [Member]
3/25/2012 10:48:16 AM
Originally Posted By PAPPYO:
Originally Posted By turb06le240:
Just the barrel... I think they make 204 mags, but everyone I talked to says the 556 mags work perfectly... Same Bolt so easy build... BUT the 204 ruger is a 4000 FPS + round... I have a model 700 in 22-250 which is also a fast round, and very impressive, hopefully the 204 is just as nice... I believe itsone of the fastest factory ammos, something like 4200fps..


5.56 mags work fine. I have a 204 I put together with the 24" DPMS barrel. my best accuracy came with lighter bullets 32 gr. and RE10 powder

I could'nt reach 4200 fps. with my loads 4085 was the best before primers showed pressure signs with 32 gr. pills.

I'd suspect a bit more velocity loss in the shorter wilson combat barrel also. not a big deal to me.

I'm pretty sure I'll be ordering the same barrel also for another 204 upper build. Post a review of it's accuracy if ya think about it

http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i342/lennyzrx/001-3.jpg



Im not too worried about getting the most fps out of it, Im going to use it for varmints {only go out about 200 yards}... The gentleman that gave me the ammo said he got around 3800fps and I want to say his barrel was 22" or so... I will post pics when the parts come and a range report when shes together...

What are you using for a scope on there...
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3/25/2012 11:46:58 AM
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PAPPYO  [Team Member]
3/25/2012 12:06:17 PM
Originally Posted By turb06le240:
Originally Posted By PAPPYO:
Originally Posted By turb06le240:
Just the barrel... I think they make 204 mags, but everyone I talked to says the 556 mags work perfectly... Same Bolt so easy build... BUT the 204 ruger is a 4000 FPS + round... I have a model 700 in 22-250 which is also a fast round, and very impressive, hopefully the 204 is just as nice... I believe itsone of the fastest factory ammos, something like 4200fps..


5.56 mags work fine. I have a 204 I put together with the 24" DPMS barrel. my best accuracy came with lighter bullets 32 gr. and RE10 powder

I could'nt reach 4200 fps. with my loads 4085 was the best before primers showed pressure signs with 32 gr. pills.

I'd suspect a bit more velocity loss in the shorter wilson combat barrel also. not a big deal to me.

I'm pretty sure I'll be ordering the same barrel also for another 204 upper build. Post a review of it's accuracy if ya think about it

http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i342/lennyzrx/001-3.jpg



Im not too worried about getting the most fps out of it, Im going to use it for varmints {only go out about 200 yards}... The gentleman that gave me the ammo said he got around 3800fps and I want to say his barrel was 22" or so... I will post pics when the parts come and a range report when shes together...

What are you using for a scope on there...


that's a older millet 4-16x56. 30mm tube. I think you'll like the 204.

That Wilson Combat barrel looks nice, it should make for a far better field rifle than a 24 bull.

I hope she's a shooter for ya!

riflecrank  [Member]
3/25/2012 12:19:30 PM
You won't get anywhere near 4000 fps with an 18" barrel in a 204. I have built and tested a bunch of them and most are hard pressed to hit 4000 with a 24" tube in a gas gun with 32 gr bullets. They are also subject to feeding issues due to the longer case body length. I find Lancer L5 20 rounders to be the most reliable. You can modify the feed lips on Pmags for 100% reliability.
PAPPYO  [Team Member]
3/25/2012 12:59:30 PM
Originally Posted By riflecrank:
You won't get anywhere near 4000 fps with an 18" barrel in a 204. I have built and tested a bunch of them and most are hard pressed to hit 4000 with a 24" tube in a gas gun with 32 gr bullets. They are also subject to feeding issues due to the longer case body length. I find Lancer L5 20 rounders to be the most reliable. You can modify the feed lips on Pmags for 100% reliability.


hmm. never any feed issues with mine with GI 20's? then again I only load 5 in the mag.

I do agree on fps. my load with 32 vmax is at 3940 average. 4085 = flat primers, loose primer pockets when decapping.

it's still a great round for suburban areas where most folk's can't seem to read NO TRESSPASS signs! my day's of using a 25-06 in this area are long past

elkbow  [Team Member]
3/25/2012 1:38:41 PM
congrats on the build, I wanted to get a .204, just have a hard time replacing my .17 Remington bolt gun for varmints, it shoots .25 MOA, but will probably build up a .204 one of these days
turb06le240  [Member]
4/1/2012 10:09:51 PM
Here are the first pics of her, not done but with whats come so far its as far as I can go... Got the lower built..
SW lower, rra trigger, hogue grips, kns antiwalks, oversized safety, oversized mag release and pull pins, troy trig guard, and Tact link, Also got the DD bcg, bcm handle, and scope in Leupold mark AR 4-12x40mm, and the mount is a burris pepr {sorry not in the pic}... Looks like everything will be here by the end of the week, I will update after then...

turb06le240  [Member]
4/4/2012 11:18:32 AM
Barrel came yesterday looks really good, just waiting on the upper receiver and handguard now...
PAPPYO  [Team Member]
4/11/2012 4:37:55 PM
well. I went ahead and ordered up the wilson combat 204 barrel also, along with other odds and ends.

I need somthing a bit lighter than that DPMS 24".build I went ahead and ordered a couple scopes also this week so that kinda cost abit. Ordered the new P-223 3-9x40 and another 6-24x44 Weaver 40/44 series.
PAPPYO  [Team Member]
4/11/2012 4:37:55 PM
double post.
Mahamotorworks  [Team Member]
4/12/2012 3:22:54 PM
I built one with a 24" WOA barrel. Bought 40gr bullets before testing factory ammo. I got a good load with the 40gr but with a box of 32gr factory ammo it shot a lot better. I now have 32gr bullets to find a load for. It is a fun gun. I have a Magpul PRS on it it weighs a lot but the truth is I will not be hiking anywhere but from the Jeep to the Table with it. I will take it out this summer for P Dogs.

MAHA
eightring  [Team Member]
4/12/2012 5:47:25 PM
Can anyone comment on the barrel life for the .204?
turb06le240  [Member]
4/16/2012 8:46:10 AM
OK, I have been busy so the parts sat there untouched for a few days but I finally got her finished up...
I took it to the range and ran some cheap 32g rounds through it and it shot amazing, no hiccups, very little recoil, and seems to group the 32's around .65 avg, my best group had 3 pretty much touching {with nosler trophy ammo} but only had 8 rounds of that stuff, one of the guys at the range gave me, he said its almost $2.50 a round so I wont be buying that stuff, but it shoots well...
I ran a total of 48 rounds through it and Im very happy with it, I want to say this is the most accurate ar I own, but Im not positive because my 556 bull brled gun shoots well too... I ran 100 rounds through that on the same range visit...

I was also impressed how fast I got this one zeroed in, I put a burris dot on the top of the burris pepr mount and the scope is a 40mm leupold mark ar, they both hit the marks after 3 shots, but I was adjusting them at the same time, I had her strapped in to the rest... I also through a streamlight on there for good measure...

Total spent with optics, light, and bipod {not in pic} is $1980 even... I dont think thats too bad considering half of that was from the light, bipod, and optics....

Heres the pics...


PAPPYO  [Team Member]
4/17/2012 8:56:41 PM
that build came out nice you are correct these Wilson Combat barrels are very nice quality.

my 204 barrel,gas block and mid tube arrived today. I'll get the upper together after work tomorrow. I hope she's a shooter. I already have various 30,32's loaded.

I guess the Weaver I'd orded was backordered, The Nikon P-223 arrived yesterday with no Weaver with it
WilsonCombatRep  [Industry Partner]
4/18/2012 8:13:41 AM
Glad you guys like the barrels!
turb06le240  [Member]
4/18/2012 10:18:06 AM
Originally Posted By WilsonCombatRep:
Glad you guys like the barrels!


Best barrel on the market for under $300 IMO, I wish you guys made this same 18" mid with no threads in 556....
PAPPYO  [Team Member]
4/18/2012 6:06:34 PM
well. 204 Wilson Combat barrel build. No Weaver yet........

it sure beats the 24" DPMS weight





PAPPYO  [Team Member]
4/18/2012 6:23:35 PM
Originally Posted By turb06le240:
Originally Posted By WilsonCombatRep:
Glad you guys like the barrels!


Best barrel on the market for under $300 IMO, I wish you guys made this same 18" mid with no threads in 556....


I think they are about out of barrels? I checked there web site on 16" lightweight 5.56 AND 20" wylde. all gone...............

turb06le240  [Member]
4/18/2012 8:29:41 PM
Originally Posted By PAPPYO:
well. 204 Wilson Combat barrel build. No Weaver yet........

it sure beats the 24" DPMS weight

http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i342/lennyzrx/001-2.jpg

http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i342/lennyzrx/002-1.jpg

http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i342/lennyzrx/003-2.jpg


looks very nice, I have to say I almost bought that same stock, ended up going with the conventional though, kind of kicking myself now... I am taking mine out to explode some groundchucks this weekend...
PAPPYO  [Team Member]
4/18/2012 9:11:58 PM
Originally Posted By turb06le240:
Originally Posted By PAPPYO:
well. 204 Wilson Combat barrel build. No Weaver yet........

it sure beats the 24" DPMS weight

http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i342/lennyzrx/001-2.jpg

http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i342/lennyzrx/002-1.jpg

http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i342/lennyzrx/003-2.jpg


looks very nice, I have to say I almost bought that same stock, ended up going with the conventional though, kind of kicking myself now... I am taking mine out to explode some groundchucks this weekend...


I gotta go to my bolt guns this weekend. There ready to Rock! 22-250's I'm old and in no hurry for that Wilson Combat 204. to hit the field. Got plenty of shooters here

gotta wait for glass, or change order.

hell ya know I was born in West Warrick R.I. back in 58. old man was Navy, Ma from Rhode Island. LOL. way........back when.

still some kin up that way!

good hunt'n

PAPPYO  [Team Member]
4/18/2012 9:18:20 PM
I expect pic's like this from a fellow RI guy..............

PAPPYO  [Team Member]
4/18/2012 9:21:25 PM
another double..............glad my rifles don't do this!
turb06le240  [Member]
4/19/2012 3:15:47 PM
Im not allowed to take pics of what I shoot wife is a vegan animal lover sooooooo, out of respect I keep it out of the house... Luckily my best friends wife loves meat, so its welcome at their house..
Russ4777  [Team Member]
4/19/2012 6:18:36 PM
This is one I built a couple of years ago in .204. I REALLY like it. Amazingly accurate and very little recoil. Of course it weighs 12 lbs.

Here's the specs:
Bushmaster Lower
DPMS Hi-Pro upper receiver
DPMS .204 fluted SS barrel, 24"
Magpul PRS stock
Armalite FG handguard
Young NM Carrier with Smith bolt
JP Fire Control Group, Single Stage @ 2.7 lbs
Burris 4.5 x 14 Scope

PAPPYO  [Team Member]
4/19/2012 6:53:30 PM
Originally Posted By Russ4777:
This is one I built a couple of years ago in .204. I REALLY like it. Amazingly accurate and very little recoil. Of course it weighs 12 lbs.

Here's the specs:
Lauer Lower
DPMS Hi-Pro upper receiver
DPMS .204 fluted SS barrel, 24"
Magpul PRS stock
Armalite FG handguard
Young NM Carrier with Smith bolt
JP Fire Control Group, Single Stage @ 2.7 lbs
Burris 4.5 x 14 Scope

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/204_Ruger_Lt_Side_1.jpg


yes my DPMS rig shoots very well with light pill's. especially the little 30gr. Bergers the weight kills me walkin 2-4+ miles, maybe 5-6- 30-60 acre plots, back and forth. Worse if it's muddy and I leave the truck on the hard road at some farms. I can walk/ sneek most shots down to 2-300 yards unless I get lazy. Good exersise for an old fudd though, head phones listing to the cleveland Indians, smokin Chuck's!...............

that's a real nice rifle ya have

this W.C. barreled upper can't even be compared to the big 24"

PAPPYO  [Team Member]
4/19/2012 7:04:36 PM
Originally Posted By turb06le240:
Im not allowed to take pics of what I shoot wife is a vegan animal lover sooooooo, out of respect I keep it out of the house... Luckily my best friends wife loves meat, so its welcome at their house..


hell my wife sends $$$$$$$$$$ to all those groups I shoot the shit out of fur!

I think our 2nd. date I crossed the centerline to get a possum with with the truck She made me take her home, I did She called in less than 2 weeks been together ever since 87

She makes her own $ I make mine ( about 3 times as much!) spend it as ya see fit! My Wife eats meat so no Deer go to waste here.

yours will loosen up with time. Women are like a new ball glove, takes awhile to break one in, once it fit's it's hard to play with another!

by the way. I break for all critters nowadays soft with old age! I sure hope God smokes Chuck's or I'm in trouble when that day roll's around!



PAPPYO  [Team Member]
4/19/2012 7:04:45 PM
dang double! bad disconnector in the mouse!



scatterbrains  [Member]
4/20/2012 5:28:29 PM
any you guys have a 20practical you can compare the 204 to?

Ive been thinking of adding a 20cal to the vermin line up.
A quarterbore can play too




turb06le240  [Member]
4/22/2012 11:39:51 AM
Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
any you guys have a 20practical you can compare the 204 to?

Ive been thinking of adding a 20cal to the vermin line up.
A quarterbore can play too

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b371/scatterbrains/2012-03-17_16-13-39_554.jpg




I dont see an advantage to the 20 practical over the 204, maybe because there is a lot more 223 brass around, it makes sense to reload it, but the 204 being a factory load makes more sense to me, Ive looked over the #'s and their ballistics are very similar... Ive shot both and I dont see a huge difference, I guess personal preference would weigh out on them to, I prefer to be able to buy ammo in a box over not...
scatterbrains  [Member]
4/22/2012 12:11:02 PM
Yeah off the shelf doesn't matter to me LOL, but all considering they are pretty damn close it seems.
seems the 20P will be in my future then.