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CORNHOLIO1  [Member]
5/9/2011 6:16:01 AM EST
I have seen ASA and Alexander Arms side charging uppers. Are there any other manufacturers?
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jasonusvi  [Team Member]
5/9/2011 6:18:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By CORNHOLIO1:
I have seen ASA and Alexander Arms side charging uppers. Are there any other manufacturers?


Also curious.

And are there any left side charging / right side ejecting?

I saw a custom AK that had a slot created for left side charging and seemed a good improvement for ergonomics / AR mussel memory.

ETA: Going to ask the question in "discussion" as its not just relevant to variants.
Windex  [Team Member]
5/9/2011 6:32:30 AM EST
The ASA side charge is left side charge..... right side eject.
jasonusvi  [Team Member]
5/9/2011 6:34:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By Windex:
The ASA side charge is left side charge..... right side eject.


Didn't realize that. Thanks
CORNHOLIO1  [Member]
5/9/2011 7:42:24 AM EST
Does the ASA use a special bolt carrier?
Warhawk  [Team Member]
5/9/2011 8:05:47 AM EST
The LAR-Grizzly OPS-4 upper is another side charger, available right, left or both sides.

I bought one (forged) for a 7.62x40 build.

LINK



Windex  [Team Member]
5/9/2011 8:21:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By CORNHOLIO1:
Does the ASA use a special bolt carrier?

Kinda.... They supply a carrier that has a notch milled in it for the side charger to work. When I put the adams arms piston kit on mine.... I had a buddy of mine machine a slot identical on the adams arms carrier - works great.
SVTJimmy  [Member]
5/9/2011 8:24:57 AM EST
MEGA machine makes some. I think you can get them off Rainier arms with the BCG.
Wirebrush  [Team Member]
5/9/2011 8:34:25 AM EST
JP rifles ARs are side charging. I think you can get complete uppers, but I don't think they sell stripped side charging uppers. I wouldn't recommend a side charging AR upper anyway. I used to have a DPMS side charging upper and I've shot the JP. It just doesn't work well having the handle travel from in front of the grip to behind it. Rather than a pushing and 3pulling motion you end up with the rifle twisting in your firing hand. The little folding handle tends to be difficult to get a hold of since it folds down right behind the back edge of the handguard.
Dr69er  [Member]
5/9/2011 8:34:34 AM EST
Originally Posted By CORNHOLIO1:
I have seen ASA and Alexander Arms side charging uppers. Are there any other manufacturers?




Fulton Armory makes them as well...Yes, they use a dedicated bolt carrier...They all seem to righthand cock/eject.

http://fulton-armory.com/upperreceiverflattopwsidecockingslot.aspx

There prices seem resonable, as does the quality...

Good Luck.
jasonusvi  [Team Member]
5/9/2011 8:57:24 AM EST
My thought for this would be for single shot suppressed shooting assuming a gas block that allowed it to be switched off. You could stay on target with hand on the grip while left side charging additional rounds.

These are not just side charging upper receivers but the adcor bear piston upper looks like it would allow the same thing with ambi side charing and I believe they are coming out with a DI version. Rock river also has its side charging piston upper.
Windex  [Team Member]
5/9/2011 9:08:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
My thought for this would be for single shot suppressed shooting assuming a gas block that allowed it to be switched off. You could stay on target with hand on the grip while left side charging additional rounds.

These are not just side charging upper receivers but the adcor bear piston upper looks like it would allow the same thing with ambi side charing and I believe they are coming out with a DI version. Rock river also has its side charging piston upper.

That is exactly what I do with my Adams Arms piston kit and the ASA side charge upper. Rifle has undergone some changes, but over all is the same principle.



jasonusvi  [Team Member]
5/9/2011 9:24:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By Windex:

Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
My thought for this would be for single shot suppressed shooting assuming a gas block that allowed it to be switched off. You could stay on target with hand on the grip while left side charging additional rounds.

These are not just side charging upper receivers but the adcor bear piston upper looks like it would allow the same thing with ambi side charing and I believe they are coming out with a DI version. Rock river also has its side charging piston upper.

That is exactly what I do with my Adams Arms piston kit and the ASA side charge upper. Rifle has undergone some changes, but over all is the same principle.

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac14/C223556/Hunting/arf2.jpg

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac14/C223556/Hunting/arf3.jpg



Very sweet. What caliber?
Windex  [Team Member]
5/9/2011 9:34:02 AM EST
.223

LW50 barrel.... 1/8 wylde chamber
CBR900  [Member]
5/9/2011 10:19:10 AM EST
Fulton's in Maryland makes them as does JP Rifles - and a few others too.

Is there a complete list of them?

EDIT: this place too:

http://www.deltacompanyarms.com/
danny25  [Member]
5/9/2011 10:26:02 AM EST
I used a Mega upper with a Young national match bolt carrier for my 6.8 build.


Dr69er  [Member]
5/9/2011 3:37:50 PM EST
Originally Posted By danny25:
I used a Mega upper with a Young national match bolt carrier for my 6.8 build.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff169/danield0825/DSC00548.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff169/danield0825/DSC00545.jpg


Sweet looking set-up.
nightdh  [Team Member]
5/9/2011 3:55:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By danny25:
I used a Mega upper with a Young national match bolt carrier for my 6.8 build.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff169/danield0825/DSC00548.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff169/danield0825/DSC00545.jpg

Looks familiar...

Here's my 6.8


pjomalley  [Team Member]
5/9/2011 4:00:47 PM EST
adcor bear has left side charger but on the rail
CORNHOLIO1  [Member]
5/10/2011 7:48:08 AM EST
I like the ASA but they are pricey. Anybody else sell ASA products?
Maxim1917  [Member]
5/10/2011 11:43:51 AM EST
Ares Shrike AAR/AMG uppers are left side charge, right side eject.
VivaLaFrance  [Member]
5/10/2011 1:38:49 PM EST
LOVE my two ASA side-chargers. I use one on a 8" .300-221 with 3 position gas block and suppressor. Other is on my wife's 5.56 lightweight (she insisted on a side-charger since she can't work the regular charging handle very well).

They both work awesome.
stre-tch  [Member]
5/10/2011 2:35:37 PM EST
The new jp psc-11 side charger looks like my future upper. I called them a few months ago before they came out and they told me it should retail for around $800-900. When I get home I will post a youtube link highlighting it from jp himself.

In my opinion this upper has the best of both worlds. Left side none recipricating, with cover so no debris enters and it has the standard charging handle. Take a look I hope the retail price is lower than what they thought.
J75player  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 3:28:47 PM EST
saw one someplace that had a non-recipricating charging handle up front similer to the HK style but it would fold semi flat when you let go of it.
cant seem to find it now tho...anyone else seen it?
RuLins05  [Member]
5/10/2011 4:04:39 PM EST
Was it Kaiser's Reach system they are sweet!
Warhawk  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 8:18:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By RuLins05:
Was it Kaiser's Reach system they are sweet!


They need to hire somebody to set up a decent website for them.
ILove2Shoot  [Industry Partner]
5/10/2011 9:11:54 PM EST
I have a few of the ASA side charging uppers/rifles. the 308 is a complete ASA rifle, the 9mm and 223 are personal custom builds....and deciding what I am going to do with the extra receiver I still have. I personally do not care for the ones were the charging handle reciprocates with the bolt.
Grimjaw5  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 9:36:32 PM EST
Originally Posted By ILove2Shoot:
I have a few of the ASA side charging uppers/rifles. the 308 is a complete ASA rifle, the 9mm and 223 are personal custom builds....and deciding what I am going to do with the extra receiver I still have. I personally do not care for the ones were the charging handle reciprocates with the bolt.



How do you like the ASA 308? I have two the Ar15 side chargers and I have been thinking maybe a 308 next. The problem is I can find no real reviews of them.
CORNHOLIO1  [Member]
5/11/2011 5:07:43 AM EST
Originally Posted By ILove2Shoot:
I have a few of the ASA side charging uppers/rifles. the 308 is a complete ASA rifle, the 9mm and 223 are personal custom builds....and deciding what I am going to do with the extra receiver I still have. I personally do not care for the ones were the charging handle reciprocates with the bolt.


Are you selling a new ASA upper? PM me if your interested to sell.
Windex  [Team Member]
5/11/2011 6:02:43 AM EST
I will say this, ASA has a great warranty.......
stre-tch  [Member]
5/11/2011 6:07:19 AM EST
Well as promised here is a very interesting video by JP himself that explains the side charging upper

http://www.youtube.com/user/JPRifles (Sorry don't know how to make it hot )

and the website

http://www.jprifles.com/1.2.1_PSC_11.php

I think the forward mounted handles are awesome but they aren't out yet for DI AR15 systems (that I know of)

I was looking heavily at the ASA side charging upper but the lack of a cover on the charging handle side to keep gas from blowing in the face as well as dirt out was one of my concerns. Also there is no forward assist.

I know many people don't use the foward assist but I use them frequentyl when hunting and am trying to chamber a round quietly.
Bretshooter  [Member]
5/11/2011 8:04:23 AM EST
Is that JP changing handle really as big as it looks?
pjomalley  [Team Member]
5/11/2011 8:17:47 AM EST
adcor bear upper –– gas vented at gas block


Originally Posted By stre-tch:
Well as promised here is a very interesting video by JP himself that explains the side charging upper

http://www.youtube.com/user/JPRifles (Sorry don't know how to make it hot )

and the website

http://www.jprifles.com/1.2.1_PSC_11.php

I think the forward mounted handles are awesome but they aren't out yet for DI AR15 systems (that I know of)

I was looking heavily at the ASA side charging upper but the lack of a cover on the charging handle side to keep gas from blowing in the face as well as dirt out was one of my concerns. Also there is no forward assist.

I know many people don't use the foward assist but I use them frequentyl when hunting and am trying to chamber a round quietly.


eternal24k  [Team Member]
5/11/2011 8:40:49 AM EST
i got to handle an American Spirits 9mm FAL style upper, damn did i like it. Would make a lot of drills easier...
danny25  [Member]
5/11/2011 9:25:39 AM EST
I had an ASA side charger on a 9mm build and it didn't work out for me. It seemed like everytime I used the charging handle I would hit my optics mount. It also sent a lot of gas and debri shooting out the charging handle slot right at my face when I was using my suppressor.
eternal24k  [Team Member]
5/11/2011 9:56:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By danny25:
I had an ASA side charger on a 9mm build and it didn't work out for me. It seemed like everytime I used the charging handle I would hit my optics mount. It also sent a lot of gas and debri shooting out the charging handle slot right at my face when I was using my suppressor.


yeah. They are messy with DI and blowback.

I would like to see someone have rubber seals like on Sig 55X rifles..

And it does dictate optic mounts
CORNHOLIO1  [Member]
5/11/2011 7:28:24 PM EST
JP is way out of my price range.
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