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KRILL243  [Member]
11/12/2010 7:46:16 PM
I cannot decide. Which would you rather have and why?
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Callahan  [Team Member]
11/12/2010 9:09:49 PM
What is going to be the intended purpose?
GRATIOFLASH  [Team Member]
11/12/2010 10:50:06 PM
2 questions. What do you want to do with it, and what price range? If price is of no concern, go Larue all the way. Larue makes quality stuff and they have GREAT customer service. The OBR is a true precision rig with excellent durability. The LMT is probably the best bang-for-buck deal in the 308 market though. If you're wanting to stretch it out to 600+ I would go with the OBR. If you're wanting less range and less price, go LMT. The LMT is a nice rifle. You really can't go wrong with either IMO. That being said, I wouldnt trade my REPR for either of the two
aznisegi  [Team Member]
11/13/2010 2:09:16 AM
Originally Posted By GRATIOFLASH:
2 questions. What do you want to do with it, and what price range? If price is of no concern, go Larue all the way. Larue makes quality stuff and they have GREAT customer service. The OBR is a true precision rig with excellent durability. The LMT is probably the best bang-for-buck deal in the 308 market though. If you're wanting to stretch it out to 600+ I would go with the OBR. If you're wanting less range and less price, go LMT. The LMT is a nice rifle. You really can't go wrong with either IMO. That being said, I wouldnt trade my REPR for either of the two


Yeah, it really depends what you want to do with it. The LMT is an excellent rifle. It shoots, its dependable, but its a little front heavy and I'd prefer another trigger. The OBR is the most accurate semi I've had to date ushering 1/2 inch groups with 168 FGGM, It also has a nice trigger but you are dealing with slightly more money. To get better accuracy with the LMT, the stainless would be a good idea but I think the price goes up a little bit to make it the same price as the OBR. If ur just looking to shoot between 1-1.5 inches at a 100 yds then u'll be fine with the LMT. My personal favorite is still the OBR. Better trigger, more accuracy, and LaRue doesn't joke about the warranty.
357sig  [Member]
11/13/2010 11:07:59 AM
I don't think there is a wrong choice between these two rifles, both appear to be excellent. From what little I've seen on the OBR and SS barreled LMT I would say they are as close in accuracy as they are in price. My experiance is with the chrome lined LMT WMS and for me it was the best choice. I wanted DMR accuracy out to 800 yards and the ability to change barrels for length and caliber. Only the LMT allows the quick barrel change. Either will work regarding accuracy. I've read lost of post that tell me the LMT is a 1 1/2-2 moa rifle and I'll have to trust my experiance over the posts. With mil surplus ( LC, Aussi and Hintenburger) it is in fact a 1 1/2-2 moa rifle. However, 60% of my handloads (six different) and 60% of the factory loads using match bullets (six different) it has been sub moa at 100 yards. All ammo was tested using three five shot groups and averaging them. The best ammo to date was M118LR or its equalivent handload (details on paper target in photo). The yellow target was at 500 yards and is about 3 3/4 " c to c. The paper target was at 100 yards and averages about 3/4" c to c including the uncalled flyer. The white steel target was fired rapid at 300 yards. Scope is a Super Sniper 3-9 and is excellent on a DMR. Good luck which ever you choose.

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aznisegi  [Team Member]
11/13/2010 12:15:31 PM
Originally Posted By 357sig:
I don't think there is a wrong choice between these two rifles, both appear to be excellent. From what little I've seen on the OBR and SS barreled LMT I would say they are as close in accuracy as they are in price. My experiance is with the chrome lined LMT WMS and for me it was the best choice. I wanted DMR accuracy out to 800 yards and the ability to change barrels for length and caliber. Only the LMT allows the quick barrel change. Either will work regarding accuracy. I've read lost of post that tell me the LMT is a 1 1/2-2 moa rifle and I'll have to trust my experiance over the posts. With mil surplus ( LC, Aussi and Hintenburger) it is in fact a 1 1/2-2 moa rifle. However, 60% of my handloads (six different) and 60% of the factory loads using match bullets (six different) it has been sub moa at 100 yards. All ammo was tested using three five shot groups and averaging them. The best ammo to date was M118LR or its equalivent handload (details on paper target in photo). The yellow target was at 500 yards and is about 3 3/4 " c to c. The paper target was at 100 yards and averages about 3/4" c to c including the uncalled flyer. The white steel target was fired rapid at 300 yards. Scope is a Super Sniper 3-9 and is excellent on a DMR. Good luck which ever you choose.

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Not to say that that kind of accuracy is indicative of every LMT rifle that comes out; however, I don't think they make an accuracy guarantee like the OBR has. I think the avg groups in each rifle vary in the LMT which was a deterrence for me. For me a 308 platform was for both precision and battle role. LaRue's machinery is nothing less than superb and the rifle's durability, round count, accuracy, are a big plus for me.

357sig  [Member]
11/13/2010 2:17:35 PM
Originally Posted By aznisegi:
Originally Posted By 357sig:
I don't think there is a wrong choice between these two rifles, both appear to be excellent. From what little I've seen on the OBR and SS barreled LMT I would say they are as close in accuracy as they are in price. My experiance is with the chrome lined LMT WMS and for me it was the best choice. I wanted DMR accuracy out to 800 yards and the ability to change barrels for length and caliber. Only the LMT allows the quick barrel change. Either will work regarding accuracy. I've read lost of post that tell me the LMT is a 1 1/2-2 moa rifle and I'll have to trust my experiance over the posts. With mil surplus ( LC, Aussi and Hintenburger) it is in fact a 1 1/2-2 moa rifle. However, 60% of my handloads (six different) and 60% of the factory loads using match bullets (six different) it has been sub moa at 100 yards. All ammo was tested using three five shot groups and averaging them. The best ammo to date was M118LR or its equalivent handload (details on paper target in photo). The yellow target was at 500 yards and is about 3 3/4 " c to c. The paper target was at 100 yards and averages about 3/4" c to c including the uncalled flyer. The white steel target was fired rapid at 300 yards. Scope is a Super Sniper 3-9 and is excellent on a DMR. Good luck which ever you choose.

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Not to say that that kind of accuracy is indicative of every LMT rifle that comes out; however, I don't think they make an accuracy guarantee like the OBR has. I think the avg groups in each rifle vary in the LMT which was a deterrence for me. For me a 308 platform was for both precision and battle role. LaRue's machinery is nothing less than superb and the rifle's durability, round count, accuracy, are a big plus for me.




I hope you enjoy your OBR. I may have been lucky in getting an unusually accurate MWS but I have seen several posts showing accuracy equal to my experience. My round count is just over 1,100 rounds and I have had no problems. Fit and finish are fine. To me a DMR is a tool and as such all I require is dependable functionality and accuracy. I have that in the LMT. You make your choices and pay your money. I'm happy.
KWCAM  [Member]
11/13/2010 2:56:03 PM
I have never shot an OBR but I do have an LMT MWS with CL barrel and it is by far my favorite rifle in my collection. I also get sub moa with a 10 rnd group at 100yds with NOSLER 168gr Custom Match loads and easily get 1.5-2 groups with surplus M80. I have no doubt the the OBR shoots more accurate but the LMT is nothing to scoff at. I underwent the same dilemma when I made my choice and I can definately say I don't regret the LMT. Someday I may get the OBR also because it too is an awesome rifle. Bottomline, you can't go wrong with either
ProjectLongbow  [Team Member]
11/13/2010 3:11:30 PM
Originally Posted By 357sig:
I don't think there is a wrong choice between these two rifles, both appear to be excellent. From what little I've seen on the OBR and SS barreled LMT I would say they are as close in accuracy as they are in price. My experiance is with the chrome lined LMT WMS and for me it was the best choice. I wanted DMR accuracy out to 800 yards and the ability to change barrels for length and caliber. Only the LMT allows the quick barrel change. Either will work regarding accuracy. I've read lost of post that tell me the LMT is a 1 1/2-2 moa rifle and I'll have to trust my experiance over the posts. With mil surplus ( LC, Aussi and Hintenburger) it is in fact a 1 1/2-2 moa rifle. However, 60% of my handloads (six different) and 60% of the factory loads using match bullets (six different) it has been sub moa at 100 yards. All ammo was tested using three five shot groups and averaging them. The best ammo to date was M118LR or its equalivent handload (details on paper target in photo). The yellow target was at 500 yards and is about 3 3/4 " c to c. The paper target was at 100 yards and averages about 3/4" c to c including the uncalled flyer. The white steel target was fired rapid at 300 yards. Scope is a Super Sniper 3-9 and is excellent on a DMR. Good luck which ever you choose.

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Very nice. Now that the SS barreled versions are out we will be seeing much more of this......... (though truth be told some people were getting sub MOA groups with their CL barrels and ball ammo....)

I'll be ready to buy my MWS come mid January. If you don't mind i'd like to shoot you a few questions?

Thanks
Larry



357sig  [Member]
11/13/2010 3:36:02 PM
Originally Posted By ProjectLongbow:
Originally Posted By 357sig:
I don't think there is a wrong choice between these two rifles, both appear to be excellent. From what little I've seen on the OBR and SS barreled LMT I would say they are as close in accuracy as they are in price. My experiance is with the chrome lined LMT WMS and for me it was the best choice. I wanted DMR accuracy out to 800 yards and the ability to change barrels for length and caliber. Only the LMT allows the quick barrel change. Either will work regarding accuracy. I've read lost of post that tell me the LMT is a 1 1/2-2 moa rifle and I'll have to trust my experiance over the posts. With mil surplus ( LC, Aussi and Hintenburger) it is in fact a 1 1/2-2 moa rifle. However, 60% of my handloads (six different) and 60% of the factory loads using match bullets (six different) it has been sub moa at 100 yards. All ammo was tested using three five shot groups and averaging them. The best ammo to date was M118LR or its equalivent handload (details on paper target in photo). The yellow target was at 500 yards and is about 3 3/4 " c to c. The paper target was at 100 yards and averages about 3/4" c to c including the uncalled flyer. The white steel target was fired rapid at 300 yards. Scope is a Super Sniper 3-9 and is excellent on a DMR. Good luck which ever you choose.

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/128/lmt013.jpg" target="_blank">http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/128/lmt013.jpg</a>

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Very nice. Now that the SS barreled versions are out we will be seeing much more of this......... (though truth be told some people were getting sub MOA groups with their CL barrels and ball ammo....)

I'll be ready to buy my MWS come mid January. If you don't mind i'd like to shoot you a few questions?

Thanks
Larry



Ask away and if I did not mention it the photo target was shot with a CL MWS not the SS.

ProjectLongbow  [Team Member]
11/13/2010 4:38:46 PM
Originally Posted By 357sig:
Originally Posted By ProjectLongbow:
Originally Posted By 357sig:
I don't think there is a wrong choice between these two rifles, both appear to be excellent. From what little I've seen on the OBR and SS barreled LMT I would say they are as close in accuracy as they are in price. My experiance is with the chrome lined LMT WMS and for me it was the best choice. I wanted DMR accuracy out to 800 yards and the ability to change barrels for length and caliber. Only the LMT allows the quick barrel change. Either will work regarding accuracy. I've read lost of post that tell me the LMT is a 1 1/2-2 moa rifle and I'll have to trust my experiance over the posts. With mil surplus ( LC, Aussi and Hintenburger) it is in fact a 1 1/2-2 moa rifle. However, 60% of my handloads (six different) and 60% of the factory loads using match bullets (six different) it has been sub moa at 100 yards. All ammo was tested using three five shot groups and averaging them. The best ammo to date was M118LR or its equalivent handload (details on paper target in photo). The yellow target was at 500 yards and is about 3 3/4 " c to c. The paper target was at 100 yards and averages about 3/4" c to c including the uncalled flyer. The white steel target was fired rapid at 300 yards. Scope is a Super Sniper 3-9 and is excellent on a DMR. Good luck which ever you choose.

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/128/lmt013.jpg" target="_blank">http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/128/lmt013.jpg</a>

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Very nice. Now that the SS barreled versions are out we will be seeing much more of this......... (though truth be told some people were getting sub MOA groups with their CL barrels and ball ammo....)

I'll be ready to buy my MWS come mid January. If you don't mind i'd like to shoot you a few questions?

Thanks
Larry



Ask away and if I did not mention it the photo target was shot with a CL MWS not the SS.



What was the turn around time once you ordered the rifle?
How much does the rifle weigh
Are your FCG holes oversized
do you plan on suppressing it and if so what can are you going to use
Do you plan on purchasing a stainless steel barrel and what if any other mods do you plan on doing

Thanks larry

357sig  [Member]
11/13/2010 5:47:39 PM
Originally Posted By ProjectLongbow:
Originally Posted By 357sig:
Originally Posted By ProjectLongbow:
Originally Posted By 357sig:
I don't think there is a wrong choice between these two rifles, both appear to be excellent. From what little I've seen on the OBR and SS barreled LMT I would say they are as close in accuracy as they are in price. My experiance is with the chrome lined LMT WMS and for me it was the best choice. I wanted DMR accuracy out to 800 yards and the ability to change barrels for length and caliber. Only the LMT allows the quick barrel change. Either will work regarding accuracy. I've read lost of post that tell me the LMT is a 1 1/2-2 moa rifle and I'll have to trust my experiance over the posts. With mil surplus ( LC, Aussi and Hintenburger) it is in fact a 1 1/2-2 moa rifle. However, 60% of my handloads (six different) and 60% of the factory loads using match bullets (six different) it has been sub moa at 100 yards. All ammo was tested using three five shot groups and averaging them. The best ammo to date was M118LR or its equalivent handload (details on paper target in photo). The yellow target was at 500 yards and is about 3 3/4 " c to c. The paper target was at 100 yards and averages about 3/4" c to c including the uncalled flyer. The white steel target was fired rapid at 300 yards. Scope is a Super Sniper 3-9 and is excellent on a DMR. Good luck which ever you choose.

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/128/lmt013.jpg" target="_blank">http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/128/lmt013.jpg</a>

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Very nice. Now that the SS barreled versions are out we will be seeing much more of this......... (though truth be told some people were getting sub MOA groups with their CL barrels and ball ammo....)

I'll be ready to buy my MWS come mid January. If you don't mind i'd like to shoot you a few questions?

Thanks
Larry



Ask away and if I did not mention it the photo target was shot with a CL MWS not the SS.



What was the turn around time once you ordered the rifle?
How much does the rifle weigh
Are your FCG holes oversized
do you plan on suppressing it and if so what can are you going to use
Do you plan on purchasing a stainless steel barrel and what if any other mods do you plan on doing

Thanks larry



LMT told me 10 weeks so I went to Gunbroker and had it in a week, paid $2,275.00
10.5 lbs
No
No
Not in 308 as I'm happy with the accuracy of my CL. However other calibers are in my future.
ProjectLongbow  [Team Member]
11/13/2010 7:46:43 PM
Originally Posted By 357sig:
Originally Posted By ProjectLongbow:
Originally Posted By 357sig:
Originally Posted By ProjectLongbow:
Originally Posted By 357sig:
I don't think there is a wrong choice between these two rifles, both appear to be excellent. From what little I've seen on the OBR and SS barreled LMT I would say they are as close in accuracy as they are in price. My experiance is with the chrome lined LMT WMS and for me it was the best choice. I wanted DMR accuracy out to 800 yards and the ability to change barrels for length and caliber. Only the LMT allows the quick barrel change. Either will work regarding accuracy. I've read lost of post that tell me the LMT is a 1 1/2-2 moa rifle and I'll have to trust my experiance over the posts. With mil surplus ( LC, Aussi and Hintenburger) it is in fact a 1 1/2-2 moa rifle. However, 60% of my handloads (six different) and 60% of the factory loads using match bullets (six different) it has been sub moa at 100 yards. All ammo was tested using three five shot groups and averaging them. The best ammo to date was M118LR or its equalivent handload (details on paper target in photo). The yellow target was at 500 yards and is about 3 3/4 " c to c. The paper target was at 100 yards and averages about 3/4" c to c including the uncalled flyer. The white steel target was fired rapid at 300 yards. Scope is a Super Sniper 3-9 and is excellent on a DMR. Good luck which ever you choose.


http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/128/lmt013.jpg" target="_blank">http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/128/lmt013.jpg</a>

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Very nice. Now that the SS barreled versions are out we will be seeing much more of this......... (though truth be told some people were getting sub MOA groups with their CL barrels and ball ammo....)

I'll be ready to buy my MWS come mid January. If you don't mind i'd like to shoot you a few questions?

Thanks
Larry



Ask away and if I did not mention it the photo target was shot with a CL MWS not the SS.



What was the turn around time once you ordered the rifle?
How much does the rifle weigh
Are your FCG holes oversized
do you plan on suppressing it and if so what can are you going to use
Do you plan on purchasing a stainless steel barrel and what if any other mods do you plan on doing

Thanks larry



LMT told me 10 weeks so I went to Gunbroker and had it in a week, paid $2,275.00
10.5 lbs
No
No
Not in 308 as I'm happy with the accuracy of my CL. However other calibers are in my future.


Thanks!
RGinIdaho  [Team Member]
11/15/2010 9:32:00 PM
I have to agree, both are nice rifles. I went with the LMT after handling both. The replaceable barrels was big factor and I felt the LMT had better balance in my hands.

Mine does the 1moa deal with 150gr ammo.

With 175smks and Varget it more than measures up, 1k yards, 2500ft elvevation

roady9999  [Member]
11/16/2010 9:40:00 AM
Lmt also told me 10 weeks. It shipped yesterday should be here on exactly on the 12th week. Happen to a buddy of mine as well 13th week. Just so you know be patient if you order a LMT. Also be aware a 2 of gun shops around me quoted me MSRP for the rifle if i wanted to order it. Luckily a couple of members on here were posting dealer cost so i had idea of what reasonable profit for the gun shop would be. Finally 3rd gun shop ordered it for me plus 15% for them. Larue was my other choice but just couldn't spend that much. Gun broker has good prices just remember most of those guys add 100 bucks for insurance and shipping.
357sig  [Member]
11/16/2010 10:12:01 AM
Originally Posted By RGinIdaho:
I have to agree, both are nice rifles. I went with the LMT after handling both. The replaceable barrels was big factor and I felt the LMT had better balance in my hands.

Mine does the 1moa deal with 150gr ammo.

With 175smks and Varget it more than measures up, 1k yards, 2500ft elvevation

http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx87/rginidaho/lmt_1k_small.jpg


Very Nice! Would you mind posting details on the load?

BTW the barrel options on the MWS just got bigger. https://dbmg-llc.3dcartstores.com/MWS-conversion_p_33.html
DFDFF  [Team Member]
11/16/2010 6:46:44 PM
Im going with the 20" LaRue OBR. If the fit, finish, quality, and performance are anything like my complete LaRue Stealth .223, I will be happy.
aznisegi  [Team Member]
11/16/2010 7:26:42 PM
Originally Posted By DFDFF:
Im going with the 20" LaRue OBR. If the fit, finish, quality, and performance are anything like my complete LaRue Stealth .223, I will be happy.


It's even better than the stealths
RGinIdaho  [Team Member]
11/16/2010 8:27:39 PM


Very Nice! Would you mind posting details on the load?



175smk, Win Brass, CCI-BR2, 45.0 Varget, 2.815 OAL, 2498fps AVG for 10rnds 10' from the muzzle

39.75MOA up from a 100yd zero to get to 1k
357sig  [Member]
11/16/2010 10:55:02 PM
Thanks. This is the second time I've seen examples of great accuracy with 45g of Varget and a 175g SMK. I'll have to try it.
Postal0311  [Life Member]
11/16/2010 10:59:03 PM
Having a MWS, I wish I had purchased the OBR.
LRB45  [Member]
11/17/2010 6:58:52 AM
Originally Posted By RGinIdaho:
I have to agree, both are nice rifles. I went with the LMT after handling both. The replaceable barrels was big factor and I felt the LMT had better balance in my hands.

Mine does the 1moa deal with 150gr ammo.

With 175smks and Varget it more than measures up, 1k yards, 2500ft elvevation

http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx87/rginidaho/lmt_1k_small.jpg


Don't mean to get off track, but what kind of steel target is that? Is it homemade or did you buy it and what type of metal and the thickness of it?

Thanks
RGinIdaho  [Team Member]
11/17/2010 10:15:58 PM
Originally Posted By LRB45:
Originally Posted By RGinIdaho:
I have to agree, both are nice rifles. I went with the LMT after handling both. The replaceable barrels was big factor and I felt the LMT had better balance in my hands.

Mine does the 1moa deal with 150gr ammo.

With 175smks and Varget it more than measures up, 1k yards, 2500ft elvevation

http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx87/rginidaho/lmt_1k_small.jpg


Don't mean to get off track, but what kind of steel target is that? Is it homemade or did you buy it and what type of metal and the thickness of it?

Thanks


It's homemade, 1/2" and if I remember correctly ar500 steel, it's not mine, it's one of the clangers at my local range.
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