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 6.5 grendel = ultimate deer hunting rifle???
Viper121791  [Member]
8/21/2010 10:52:36 AM
I have read many things saying that the grendel is as good as it gets when it comes to deer huntin. It isnt complete overkill at 100 yards like a 30-06 or .308 but still has the range and accuracy of those high calibers and is still leathal at 1000 yards. I kno alot of the specs abt the caliber but i want to here from people with experience with it. So my question is has anyone on here used the 6.5 grendel to hunt deer and is it as good as all the stats say it is?
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ttrmike  [Member]
8/21/2010 5:32:36 PM
Originally Posted By Viper121791:
I have read many things saying that the grendel is as good as it gets when it comes to deer huntin. It isnt complete overkill at 100 yards like a 30-06 or .308 but still has the range and accuracy of those high calibers and is still leathal at 1000 yards. I kno alot of the specs abt the caliber but i want to here from people with experience with it. So my question is has anyone on here used the 6.5 grendel to hunt deer and is it as good as all the stats say it is?


I don't know anyone who would EVER take a 1000yd shot at an animal.

The reason most people leave the 5.56 for hunting is to get around caliber restrictions. That why I went with the 6.5. With a quality bullet it will take down most game animal you will encounter in the lower 48.
JDJR  [Member]
8/21/2010 7:09:34 PM
No 260 Remington is better....I asked myself this question too before deciding on 308 but it was second choice to 260 Remington which flies straighter and further than both 6.5 and 308. Why 308? parts and ammo availability and cost. 260 is better is those departments than 6.5 which costs about $1.50 a round and you get to buy parts from one place AFAIK ..no thanks.
eracer  [Team Member]
8/21/2010 7:12:28 PM

I would no problem tossing a 129 gr. Hornady SST at a deer 300 yards away with mine. And if I needed a follow-up shot, the nice low recoil (compared to a .308, 30-06, or .260 REM, would let me get back on target real quick.

Not that I'll ever see a 300 yard shot here in Florida. Now, if you want to talk pronghorns at 450....
Dipper  [Member]
8/21/2010 7:27:31 PM
Huh.... Huh... Huh, no it's not.... not even close.
Gunwritr  [Team Member]
8/21/2010 8:19:10 PM
it's a fine deer cartridge, but there's not such thing as ultimate or best.....just what is best for you.
stanag4179  [Team Member]
8/21/2010 9:50:52 PM
If I build a 6.5 upper do I just need the barrel and a 6.5 bolt head to fit a standard carrier?
Big-Bore  [Team Member]
8/21/2010 11:12:23 PM
Barrel, bolt, and mags are all you need. Do not forget the mags though. I run CP in mine and have nothing but praise for them.
6.5 G the ultimate deer round? Not hardly. There are tons of great ones and there can be no one ultimate because of the variations one will find in the fields. What is ideal in one location is woefully lacking in another. Will it do the job, yes, but IMO no better than many of the other mid caliber rounds like the 6.8, 6.5 C, .260... you get the idea. Pick one you want and go with it. They're all good.
For where I hunt and legal restrictions, the .458 SOCOM is just about as ideal as it can get for a factory round and my .358 HDH is ideal for me.
Viper121791  [Member]
8/21/2010 11:58:00 PM
Thanks for your input guys. I am in the process of building a grendel right now and i was just wondering if it will do what some people say it will or if those people are just grendel fanatics over exagerating its capabilities. I'm looking forward to shootin it either way.
colt100  [Member]
8/22/2010 12:02:09 AM
I'm not sure that it's ultimate for deer hunting but i'm sure that it's a fine round. I personally went with the 6.8 as ammo is much easier to find then the 6.5. The 6.8 is good for 300 yard shots and that is about the max I would be shooting at a deer in my area. 95% of shots around here are 150 or less so the 6.8 will be fine.

Oh, and I wouldn't say the 308 is overkill for whitetails.
Curlymaple42  [Member]
8/22/2010 12:48:29 PM
Yeh, ultimate? It so depends on your hunting situation. Overkill in terms of a 308? well, I shot the last three deer I have bagged with my .50Beowulf and meat damage was not much different than any other cal really. Actually, last year I skewered a doe with it right at the last rib which normally would be a bit far back, but with the .50Beowulf (or a .45-70) it punched right through and she bled out really quick at a run and dropped. Easy track job and no meat loss. I am now building an 18" 6.5Grendel for hunting though and have a TC Encore in 6.5Grendel with SSK barrel and plan to use that as well out in the field. The 6.5Grendel IMHO is about the perfect caliber in an Encore handgun. Encore rifle you could have a better cal, but in the handgun, it is low recoil and super accurate.
SHIVAN  [Team Member]
8/22/2010 12:58:04 PM

Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
it's a fine deer cartridge, but there's not such thing as ultimate or best.....just what is best for you.

This can not be repeated enough. I wish more forums would ban these "versus" and "best" threads. For the children, of course.
LedZeppelin  [Member]
8/22/2010 12:59:33 PM
I'm fairly convinced that the 6.5 grendel is the best existing cartridge that will fit in an AR15. More energy than most anything else, and it holds it better than anything that remotely compares. The problem comes with availability of ammo. As it is now, it's mostly a handloader's toy, but I think it's catching on, however slowly it may be.

FWIW, I trust mine to take a deer out to about 500yd. 1,000yd? No way, I wouldn't even try that with my .50. However, I do know of a few guys that poke out to 1k and beyond with their grendels (mostly steel).
Pat_H  [Team Member]
8/22/2010 1:58:03 PM
Originally Posted By Viper121791:
I have read many things saying that the grendel is as good as it gets when it comes to deer huntin. It isnt complete overkill at 100 yards like a 30-06 or .308 but still has the range and accuracy of those high calibers and is still leathal at 1000 yards. I kno alot of the specs abt the caliber but i want to here from people with experience with it. So my question is has anyone on here used the 6.5 grendel to hunt deer and is it as good as all the stats say it is?
I agree, a carbine in 6.5G would be lighter and handier than the gold standard for white tail in the east, the Winchester model 94.

Originally Posted By Viper121791:
Thanks for your input guys. I am in the process of building a grendel right now and i was just wondering if it will do what some people say it will or if those people are just grendel fanatics over exagerating its capabilities. I'm looking forward to shootin it either way.
The 6.5G has been used by a well known tactical products maker to take an elk a year or two ago.
eracer  [Team Member]
8/22/2010 2:30:01 PM

Originally Posted By Pat_H:
Originally Posted By Viper121791:
I have read many things saying that the grendel is as good as it gets when it comes to deer huntin. It isnt complete overkill at 100 yards like a 30-06 or .308 but still has the range and accuracy of those high calibers and is still leathal at 1000 yards. I kno alot of the specs abt the caliber but i want to here from people with experience with it. So my question is has anyone on here used the 6.5 grendel to hunt deer and is it as good as all the stats say it is?
I agree, a carbine in 6.5G would be lighter and handier than the gold standard for white tail in the east, the Winchester model 94.

Originally Posted By Viper121791:
Thanks for your input guys. I am in the process of building a grendel right now and i was just wondering if it will do what some people say it will or if those people are just grendel fanatics over exagerating its capabilities. I'm looking forward to shootin it either way.
The 6.5G has been used by a well known tactical products maker to take an elk a year or two ago.

If I'm not mistaken, that elk was taken at a range > 400 yards.
gearhead721  [Member]
8/22/2010 4:48:44 PM
6.5 Grendel is caliber, not a rifle. Some would argue weather or not the AR-15 is the ultimate deer hunting rifle,regardless of the caliber. My two favorite deer hunting rifles are my ar15 chambered in 458Socom, and my
Winchester Model 70 featherweight chambered in 270 win. I've taken the most game with the featherweight.
JDJR  [Member]
8/23/2010 1:43:33 AM
Originally Posted By LedZeppelin:
I'm fairly convinced that the 6.5 grendel is the best existing cartridge that will fit in an AR15. More energy than most anything else, and it holds it better than anything that remotely compares. The problem comes with availability of ammo. As it is now, it's mostly a handloader's toy, but I think it's catching on, however slowly it may be.

FWIW, I trust mine to take a deer out to about 500yd. 1,000yd? No way, I wouldn't even try that with my .50. However, I do know of a few guys that poke out to 1k and beyond with their grendels (mostly steel).


Alexander arms patent has to run out then I bet it will replace 6.8's dominance and even eventually the 5.56/7.62 assault rifles, light sniper systems and machine gun ammo in military. It really is perfect "all purpose" for every role from things I've read except for xtreme long range or armour penetration which .338L/50BMG/20mm/30mm etc are designed for. Shoots long and straight, light, penetrates armor and glass/barrier penetrator good due to bullet profile. Problem is every piece of ammo or weapon in 6.5 must get permission from and pay royalty to AA. No military will be held hostage to a company. And most companies now won't screw with it for same reasons.

-JD
Curlymaple42  [Member]
8/23/2010 8:34:58 AM
JDJR, it is not a "patent". It is merely a trademark on the name 6.5Grendel. That is it. Which is why numerous companies have come out with different caliber designations but they all use the same ammo. But yeh, you are basically right about what you said though.
JDJR  [Member]
8/23/2010 2:17:34 PM
Originally Posted By Curlymaple42:
JDJR, it is not a "patent". It is merely a trademark on the name 6.5Grendel. That is it. Which is why numerous companies have come out with different caliber designations but they all use the same ammo. But yeh, you are basically right about what you said though.


I read 264 LBC-AR, 6.5 CSS, 6.5 PPCX 6.5 BPC etc have different dimensions thus are not 6.5 Grendel exactly...
Curlymaple42  [Member]
8/23/2010 2:41:50 PM
Minor tweaks if any in the chambers, otherwise the same. Lothar Walther made all AA's barrels for a while, so when you buy a 6.5CSS barrel, yer getting a chamber identical. They know what they are doing. Same with Les Baer. He was licensed to use the 6.5Grendel name for a bit but did not use the compound angle throat from the get-go in the chamber from what I know and what is stated in his ads. The thing you need to make sure of is that you either don't push handloads really hot if you end up with a 7.62x39 bolt, or you make sure and get an AA bolt or another bolt that is made of the tougher steel. LW has them, Les Baer has them, not sure about Model 1's 6.5Sporter though. They might be using a 7.62x39 bolt. Be careful on that one!
DMGunn  [Team Member]
8/24/2010 12:40:43 AM
I have been working on one for a bit now, and will have it completed in time for deer season this year. I used to carry a .270, then an FAL (308), then an AR - if you have ever carried an FAL all day in thigh-deep snow, you will abandon it sooner than later......

Last year was the first time I carried an AR. Although I am extremely confident in it's accuracy and love the weight and winter-weather-proof characteristics of the platform, the round itself doesn't inspire confidence in me. There is nothing like that "thump" that a 130-175 gr. bullet makes when it hits... I did not take several shots that I would have taken in an instant with either of my previous rifles. In fact, I ended the season without filling a tag - although that can be partially attributed to the unbelievable amount of corn left standing last fall.

Right now I am doing some load development with the Grendel - my new favorite rifle, and I have to say, this round looks very promising. I have not been having any problems with mags, and it is very accurate with 120gr Nosler BTs. It may even be the "perfect" caliber for ME and my hunting environment. I will let you know in November....

Crappy pic...




wechols  [Member]
8/24/2010 7:33:00 AM
I have an Olyarms 243WSSM that anyone would be hard pressed to better as a deer rifle. IMHO.
Dipper  [Member]
8/24/2010 9:56:29 AM
Originally Posted By gearhead721:
6.5 Grendel is caliber, not a rifle. Some would argue weather or not the AR-15 is the ultimate deer hunting rifle,regardless of the caliber. My two favorite deer hunting rifles are my ar15 chambered in 458Socom, and my
Winchester Model 70 featherweight chambered in 270 win. I've taken the most game with the featherweight.


6.5 Grendal is a CARTRIDGE the CALIBER is 6.5.

.308 / 30-06 / 300 Win Mag are cartridges, they are all 30 caliber.

tirod  [Member]
8/24/2010 11:03:52 AM
The Grendel design compromises in two areas of the AR: it uses a case with even more taper, and requires a bolt face diameter that is known to be less than optimum for the stock AR bolt. It's a bit big, and in the long run, most of the makers suggest the better bolts. Magazines that work - which for hunting are often legally required to be less than twenty rounds, are no major problem when they are found. Ammo? It's not a wildcat, production is ramping up, I don't ever expect to see it on Walmart's shelf. It's not going to overcome the standard Fudd fare out there for a long time.

All the ballistics tables generally don't explore what happens when the 6.5 is shot from barrels shorter than 18", or at ranges less than 250m. On antelope or prairie dogs, it's outstanding, and works like it's supposed to at those ranges. For DEER, that's largely woodland and edge hunting, long range shots are the rare case. That means the superior ballistic coefficient of the long bullets doesn't come into play. In those ranges, it's another caliber choice, not the ulitmate caliber for deer hunting. Since the .30-30 has long held the #1 one spot as the country's deer killer, and is out of range at 250m, do the math.

The real issue is whether the rifle and caliber you shoot will do 85% of the job, because that's what will mostly happen. Choose for excellence at 85% of the hunt, and you are 85% right. Choose for the 15% of exceptions, you could be 85% wrong, and constantly struggling. A cartridge designed to be superior over 400m isn't necessarily a slouch at lesser ranges, but it's not optimized for the 85% of hunting, either. The same could be said for even larger calibers, too. I finally just got tired of carrying a .308 with it's reputed 500m killing power when it never happened.

They say to bring enough gun, but that doesn't mean you'll like bringing too much gun when it's not really necessary.
bwaites  [Member]
8/24/2010 12:52:41 PM
There is no PERFECT cartridge, like there is no PERFECT woman, (or man, for that matter, for those so inclined!).

The Grendel is a great deer cartridge, and in fact was designed as such. Bill Alexander was looking for the optimum deer cartridge in the AR15 as one of his criteria during design.

The bolt issues have essentially disappeared with the Grendel, and were largely an issue of guys handloading and pushing to hard, anyway. The newer steels have fixed the problem.

For those of you who live in forested areas, within 100 yards may be where most of the shots take place. Out here in high desert country, 100 yard shots would be very rare, it is simply too open, and the mulies are too smart! Most of my deer hunting friends tell me that 300+ yard shots are more common than 100 yard shots, and that they feel lucky with anything LESS than 400. Now, some of that is talk, and I've found hunters to be like fisherman when it comes to accurate measurement, but it is tough to get within 100 yards of any game animal out here.

The 30-30 is HISTORICALLY the biggest deer killer, but I would bet that there are newer cartridges that kill more deer now, like the .270.

In fact, I would bet that slugs/buckshot actually drop more deer than the 30-30 at this point, because many of the biggest deer hunting states have slug/buckshot only seasons. Heck, more deer may fall to bow hunters now than to the 30-30!

For the AR rifle, though, the 6.5 and to some extent, the 6.8, are probably as close to perfect as it comes for deer! They are both accurate, hard hitters out to that 300+ yard range, with the Grendel then pushing the 6.8 out of the way after that.

Mark Larue dropped an elk with one shot at 400+ yards using the Grendel and a Barnes TSX bullet, so it is adequate for elk as well.

Remember though, shot placement is always more important than cartridge!!!

Bill



boaman88  [Member]
8/24/2010 1:14:46 PM
Lots of calibers I would pick over the Grendel for deer hunting. 260 Rem and 25-06 being my top two. Their are other 6.5s I would pick over it too. 260 Rem, 264 Win Mag, and the 6.5 x 55 come to mind. Granted I own none of those in an AR. My 260 is a Ruger 77 Compact and I have never had an issue with recoil shooting it. Its shorter and lighter than my ARs and its slightly more accurate than my ARs too. Not saying I will not hunt with an AR. Took a nice little buck with my 6.8 last year. Have taken more than I care to count with the my bolt actions however. To me ultimate deer cartridge to me means the one I have that puts the bullet where I want it with ease and quickly puts venison on the table.
9divdoc  [Team Member]
8/24/2010 10:28:23 PM
not in shotgun counties

no such thing as a "perfect" rifle for all kinds of situations,terrain,or individual differences...

for example my wife has a nice compact .243 Remmy 700 and have a similar set up in .308
light wt..easy to hump across swamps or through tag alders...

lots of bullet offerings
QuicksilverJPR  [Team Member]
8/25/2010 10:41:37 AM
Originally Posted By bwaites:
There is no PERFECT cartridge, like there is no PERFECT woman, (or man, for that matter, for those so inclined!).

The Grendel is a great deer cartridge, and in fact was designed as such. Bill Alexander was looking for the optimum deer cartridge in the AR15 as one of his criteria during design.

The bolt issues have essentially disappeared with the Grendel, and were largely an issue of guys handloading and pushing to hard, anyway. The newer steels have fixed the problem.

For those of you who live in forested areas, within 100 yards may be where most of the shots take place. Out here in high desert country, 100 yard shots would be very rare, it is simply too open, and the mulies are too smart! Most of my deer hunting friends tell me that 300+ yard shots are more common than 100 yard shots, and that they feel lucky with anything LESS than 400. Now, some of that is talk, and I've found hunters to be like fisherman when it comes to accurate measurement, but it is tough to get within 100 yards of any game animal out here.

The 30-30 is HISTORICALLY the biggest deer killer, but I would bet that there are newer cartridges that kill more deer now, like the .270.

In fact, I would bet that slugs/buckshot actually drop more deer than the 30-30 at this point, because many of the biggest deer hunting states have slug/buckshot only seasons. Heck, more deer may fall to bow hunters now than to the 30-30!

For the AR rifle, though, the 6.5 and to some extent, the 6.8, are probably as close to perfect as it comes for deer! They are both accurate, hard hitters out to that 300+ yard range, with the Grendel then pushing the 6.8 out of the way after that.

Mark Larue dropped an elk with one shot at 400+ yards using the Grendel and a Barnes TSX bullet, so it is adequate for elk as well.

Remember though, shot placement is always more important than cartridge!!!

Bill





I agree with everything but the red, but that's for other conversations. The green is, as always, the mantra of every ethical hunter in the world...and really can not be disputed.

Pat_H  [Team Member]
8/25/2010 11:48:48 AM
Originally Posted By tirod:
The Grendel design compromises in two areas of the AR: it uses a case with even more taper, and requires a bolt face diameter that is known to be less than optimum for the stock AR bolt. It's a bit big, and in the long run, most of the makers suggest the better bolts. Magazines that work - which for hunting are often legally required to be less than twenty rounds, are no major problem when they are found. Ammo? It's not a wildcat, production is ramping up, I don't ever expect to see it on Walmart's shelf. It's not going to overcome the standard Fudd fare out there for a long time.
Actually, there is no problem with the 6.5 Grendel in the AR, it does, in fact, optimize the AR-15 to it's maximum, or near maximum, performance possible with the capibility for a standard capacity magazine of 25 rounds. In genuine 6.5 Grendel rifles or uppers, the bolt is designed for the cartridge. I don't know of any inherent problems with 6.5 Grendel bolts. There may be relatively common problems with bolts designed for the 5.56NATO cartridge, I don't know. I don't know of a shortage of magazines designed for 6.5 Grendel.

All the ballistics tables generally don't explore what happens when the 6.5 is shot from barrels shorter than 18", or at ranges less than 250m.
I've had no problem finding ballistics for the 6.5 Grendel fired from barrels shorter than 18 inches. The Hornady web site has recent information for their factory production 6.5 Grendel round fired from a 16 inch barrel.
On antelope or prairie dogs, it's outstanding, and works like it's supposed to at those ranges. For DEER, that's largely woodland and edge hunting, long range shots are the rare case. That means the superior ballistic coefficient of the long bullets doesn't come into play. In those ranges, it's another caliber choice, not the ulitmate caliber for deer hunting. Since the .30-30 has long held the #1 one spot as the country's deer killer, and is out of range at 250m, do the math.
An AR in 6.5 Grendel set up for woods hunting at less than 200 yards, with a 16 or 18 inch barrel and a 5 or 10 round magazine, would be an ideal rifle to go to instead of a Model 94 in .30-30. It's likely to weigh less, quicker second shot, and significantly better ergonomics. You could even install wood furniture on your AR is you wanted a traditional look.

The real issue is whether the rifle and caliber you shoot will do 85% of the job, because that's what will mostly happen. Choose for excellence at 85% of the hunt, and you are 85% right. Choose for the 15% of exceptions, you could be 85% wrong, and constantly struggling. A cartridge designed to be superior over 400m isn't necessarily a slouch at lesser ranges, but it's not optimized for the 85% of hunting, either. The same could be said for even larger calibers, too. I finally just got tired of carrying a .308 with it's reputed 500m killing power when it never happened.

They say to bring enough gun, but that doesn't mean you'll like bringing too much gun when it's not really necessary.
I agree. A light, modern self loading rifle with good ergs and a good cartridge is the deal.

Altair  [Team Member]
8/25/2010 5:55:15 PM
Originally Posted By tirod:
The Grendel design compromises in two areas of the AR: it uses a case with even more taper, and requires a bolt face diameter that is known to be less than optimum for the stock AR bolt. It's a bit big, and in the long run, most of the makers suggest the better bolts. Magazines that work - which for hunting are often legally required to be less than twenty rounds, are no major problem when they are found. Ammo? It's not a wildcat, production is ramping up, I don't ever expect to see it on Walmart's shelf. It's not going to overcome the standard Fudd fare out there for a long time.

All the ballistics tables generally don't explore what happens when the 6.5 is shot from barrels shorter than 18", or at ranges less than 250m. On antelope or prairie dogs, it's outstanding, and works like it's supposed to at those ranges. For DEER, that's largely woodland and edge hunting, long range shots are the rare case. That means the superior ballistic coefficient of the long bullets doesn't come into play. In those ranges, it's another caliber choice, not the ulitmate caliber for deer hunting. Since the .30-30 has long held the #1 one spot as the country's deer killer, and is out of range at 250m, do the math.

The real issue is whether the rifle and caliber you shoot will do 85% of the job, because that's what will mostly happen. Choose for excellence at 85% of the hunt, and you are 85% right. Choose for the 15% of exceptions, you could be 85% wrong, and constantly struggling. A cartridge designed to be superior over 400m isn't necessarily a slouch at lesser ranges, but it's not optimized for the 85% of hunting, either. The same could be said for even larger calibers, too. I finally just got tired of carrying a .308 with it's reputed 500m killing power when it never happened.

They say to bring enough gun, but that doesn't mean you'll like bringing too much gun when it's not really necessary.


I'm not sure I follow exactly what you are trying to say. From the tone of your post it sounds like you are advocating the .30-30 over the 6.5 (and other calibers) because it covers 85% of likely shots at deer sized game.

Even if we ignore the fact that your statement is not accurate in all areas and assume you are correct, why handicap yourself for the other 15%? If the .30-30 offered some advantage over the 6.5 for the 85% you speak of perhaps I could understand but I can't think of any. They are both light, handy, modest recoiling cartridges fully capable of harvesting deer cleanly. The 6.5 has the significant advantage of coming in a wonderfully ergonomic semi-auto box magazine fed rifle on top of significant improvements in external ballistics. The only advantages I see to the .30-30 is ammo price and availability and rifle cost.

I like my .30-30 Model 94, but I would certainly choose the 6.5 Grendel over it for deer hunting. I don't understand how you can even compare the two.
tammons  [Member]
8/25/2010 8:35:03 PM
IMO for a ar15 the Grendel and 6.8 spc are both good.
I prefer the 6.8 SPC personally.
Either is very good out to about 300+ yards.
If you are an excellent shot then maybe 400-450 but if I am hunting past 300 yards I want more umph.

A 260, 7mm-08 or a 308 makes a much better long distance hunting round than any of the above.
I prefer 308 personally.

About at the same level as the -08 variants would be a 6.5mm WSSM or 300 OSSM on an AR15 platform.
Either of those would be a much better hunting round than the grendel or 6.8 spc.

That said I will not shoot at a deer over around 400 yards but I will shoot a hog at any distance.
Viper121791  [Member]
8/26/2010 5:12:09 PM
Hey guys i have a recently purchased grendel and i kno to get quality ammo at a reasonable price i have to reload. Do u guys have any suggestions out there for me?

My grendel is a 24" barrel with 1 to 9 twist........

I plan on white tail hunting with this with a max range of about 300 yards and i dont mind running a little hot PSI wise to max out my velocity and energy.
tammons  [Member]
8/26/2010 9:53:54 PM
Go over to the 6.5G forum and look around. A lot of good loads and info over there.

At 300 yards most any decent bullet would do.

For an all around hog and or deer bullet I would load a 100 gr tipped barnes hot load
or for just a cheap deer bullet, maybe a 120 gr sierra pro hunter.

If you dont like barnes bullets and want a better built bullet maybe a nosler partition, 100, 125 gr bullet.

If you are into precision shooting/hunting at around 100-200 yards and like to make neck shots
I would go for something like a 95 gr Vmax or a 90 gr TNT.

I use the 110 gr Vmax in a 308 for neck shots on eastern white tails
and they just tip over DRT. Blows a nice size chunk out the other side.

Its been a while since I reloaded for the 6.5G, but those are all good bullets for hunting.

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