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 What cheap ammo works best in LR-308 ?
Roger3  [Member]
3/4/2008 11:21:47 PM
I just purchased a LR-308-c with a 20" barrel.

I want somthing that burns cleaner and is a bit more accurate than Wolf.

Aim surplus and others are offering

American Eagle 150gr. FMJ
Winchester USA 147gr. FMJ
Lithuanian Surplus M80 146gr. FMJ
Prvi Partizan Serbian 145gr FMJ




Any recomendations on which is the best of these 4 cheap brands??
or
Is there something better in this price range??







Edited to add Am.Eagle to the list.

PolyTechKID  [Team Member]
3/4/2008 11:48:39 PM
Not a whole lot of help, but all of the privi stuff I've shot (in .223) has been reliable and accurate.

POlytech
DnPRK  [Team Member]
3/4/2008 11:53:55 PM
Of the 3 listed, I'd go with the Winchester.

You need to learn to reload. It isn't rocket science and you can have much better quality ammo for the same cost as store bought surplus crap. It's a great feeling to consistently shoot 0.5" groups with your own loads.

Arfcom reloading forum
Roger3  [Member]
3/5/2008 12:11:22 AM

Originally Posted By DnPRK:
Of the 3 listed, I'd go with the Winchester.

You need to learn to reload. It isn't rocket science and you can have much better quality ammo for the same cost as store bought surplus crap. It's a great feeling to consistently shoot 0.5" groups with your own loads.

Arfcom reloading forum



I have reloaded other calibers (.357, .45, .223, and .270) and will most likely begin reloading 308 in the near future. But first I need to break my gun in with something cheap, and collect some once fired brass.






cckw  [Team Member]
3/5/2008 1:03:09 AM
A vote for Winchester. It shoots well in mine.
ftierson  [Team Member]
3/5/2008 1:04:36 AM
Not the answer that you were looking for, I'm sure, but...

There is no cheap .308 ammo right now...



Actually, that's a grin (grimace?) of pain...

Forrest

SilverState  [Member]
3/5/2008 1:14:30 AM
I just bought my 308 DPMS AR as well. I bought a thousand rounds of the Lithuanian military surplus from Ammoman for $520 shipped. No problems and I was pretty accurate with it. It also comes with individual battlepacks inside a wood crate.
velocette  [Member]
3/5/2008 6:31:30 AM
After I bought my LR 308B, I conducted tests on which factory ammo gave me the best results. I purchased Remington, Winchester, Federal ammo from my local WalMart.
Of the lot, the cheapest Federal ($10.99 box at that time, now its $12.99) 150 grain Power Shok PSP shot the best. Consistent sub MOA 5 shot groups @ 100 yds. Much better than the other brands and much cheaper too. The side benefit was that I saved the brass for reloading later.
Enjoy your new toy, they are superb rifles.

Roger
GONIF  [Member]
3/5/2008 1:45:40 PM
my DPMS LR308 24 inch likes fed power shock the power shock 150 grain is realy good for the money ,and you can hunt with it as well ,deer ,coyotes,antilope,groung hogs . bet it would be great on 2 leged varmints as well. save the brass and you can start reloading later .
imtheflash  [Team Member]
3/5/2008 3:23:59 PM
Has anyone tried this ammo yet?

Wideners
ftierson  [Team Member]
3/5/2008 3:50:01 PM
Igman makes pretty good ammo...

Keep in mind that, if this stuff really has a tar sealed bullet, you might have some problems with tar build up in the flutes if you shoot it in fluted chamber weapons (like the G3/CETME or clones of either)...

The tar may or may not be a problem in FALs or .308 ARs...

I haven't had problems with the tar sealant (in CAVIM and CBC ammo) in StG-58s, but others have reported problems with it. Then again, I usually don't fire hundreds of rounds before I do some cleaning...

Forrest

24ksports  [Team Member]
3/5/2008 6:03:40 PM
Check the DPMS list for approved ammo. Plus one on Federal Power Shok blue box - accurate, clean, reloadable and the price is right in todays world of high priced ammo - then Black Hills or Federal GM.
Mad5757  [Member]
3/5/2008 6:27:16 PM
The sooner you start reloading, the more money you will save. That's taking into consideration you already have all the reloading equipment you need besides the dies and whatever components you may already have like powder, primers, and maybe some bullets.

Buying any kind of quality and accurate factory ammo is going to be ultra expensive.
Dale McClure
SchroederUSMC  [Member]
3/5/2008 7:51:39 PM
Hello Roger3,
Just this weekend I purchased a few boxes of ammo at various locations and tested them against what I already had. I was shooting my DPMS LR-308T from a bench and table but without a bench rest (freehand with sling). here are the results:

Name........................Grain....Cost/rnd.....Performance
Federal Power-Shok.....150......0.75............Good
Lake City M118 1972.....173......0.58............Poor
Remington Core-Lokt....180......0.80............Good
Winchester Super-X.....150......0.75............Very Good
PRVI 308 Win..............145......0.50............Poor
FNM Portuguese M80...147......0.50............OK

I apologize for not being very scientific with my performance assessments (not measured groupings). I was not shooting from a bench rest and was actually trying to get my zero for each ammo. In fact, each ammo had a different zero in X and Y. I was surprised by some of my results. I'm sure the M118 would have shot better if it wasn't the same age as I am. I was hopping that the PRVI would have shot better due to the good reputation and cost. The Remington Core-Lokt can be found for less than $0.50/rnd at Dicks on sale with the mail in rebate if your lucky enough to time it right. Many DPMS 308 owners and I like the federal Power-Shok (blue box) due to good results and good prices at Wallmart. But it seems that the Winchester Performed the best for me and I was consistently (>50%) hitting golf balls at 100 yards by the end of the day. Yes, I know that does not make me a good shoot compared to most people on this site. :)

The point is that each ammo will shoot differently in your rifle. Other owners observations are great but you may want to get a warm and fuzzy for your self. I also agree with everyone else who says that reloading is the way to go for accuracy and cost, but not everyone has room in their garage to have a set up.
However, I hope my post has helped you in some small way.

Rob Schroeder
1*
Roger3  [Member]
3/5/2008 10:37:55 PM

That is lots of good information.

I think I will hold off on getting any of the surplus ammo at this time,
and stick to the recommended Federal and Winchester ammo.

Thanks for all the good information guys.

Roger

ftierson  [Team Member]
3/5/2008 11:30:17 PM

Originally Posted By SchroederUSMC:
Hello Roger3,
Just this weekend I purchased a few boxes of ammo at various locations and tested them against what I already had. I was shooting my DPMS LR-308T from a bench and table but without a bench rest (freehand with sling). here are the results:

Name........................Grain....Cost/rnd.....Performance
Federal Power-Shok.....150......0.75............Good
Lake City M118 1972.....173......0.58............Poor
Remington Core-Lokt....180......0.80............Good
Winchester Super-X.....150......0.75............Very Good
PRVI 308 Win..............145......0.50............Poor
FNM Portuguese M80...147......0.50............OK

I apologize for not being very scientific with my performance assessments (not measured groupings). I was not shooting from a bench rest and was actually trying to get my zero for each ammo. In fact, each ammo had a different zero in X and Y. I was surprised by some of my results. I'm sure the M118 would have shot better if it wasn't the same age as I am. I was hopping that the PRVI would have shot better due to the good reputation and cost. The Remington Core-Lokt can be found for less than $0.50/rnd at Dicks on sale with the mail in rebate if your lucky enough to time it right. Many DPMS 308 owners and I like the federal Power-Shok (blue box) due to good results and good prices at Wallmart. But it seems that the Winchester Performed the best for me and I was consistently (>50%) hitting golf balls at 100 yards by the end of the day. Yes, I know that does not make me a good shoot compared to most people on this site. :)

The point is that each ammo will shoot differently in your rifle. Other owners observations are great but you may want to get a warm and fuzzy for your self. I also agree with everyone else who says that reloading is the way to go for accuracy and cost, but not everyone has room in their garage to have a set up.
However, I hope my post has helped you in some small way.

Rob Schroeder
1*


Just so that I'm clear here...

Your performance rating is based solely on your perception of the load's accuracy and nothing else (like reliability in cycling the action and whatall)...?

A vague idea of what the difference was between 'very good' and 'OK' would be really helpful, even if mostly subjective...

Thanks for the info...

Forrest



infsqdldr  [Team Member]
3/5/2008 11:51:16 PM
use a hpbt bullet for barrel break in, not an open base fmj.
polik6887  [Member]
3/5/2008 11:58:26 PM
you can still find hirtenberger and portuguese surplus around every once in a while. they are usually considered the best surplus. box o truth found the port to be better, but I have heard otherwise from many other people.

lithuanian also has a good reputations for accuracy. it has the advatage of being recent production. in all the tests I have looked at the lithuanian surpassed the prvi-partisan, and igman, as far as accuracy goes.

I recently got 800rds or hirtenberger, and hope to find 200 more. I also plan on getting 1000rds of the lithuanian. because they are both boxer primed, and have good reputations for accuracy, and run 110$/200~~$.55/rd.

federal and winchester are just too spendy for plinking or stocking up. if you dont worry about reloading check out the steel cased wolf for 200$/500rds from sportmans guide, or barnual 170$/500rds from wideners.

ETA: almost forgot, if you dont like steel cased, try the south african surplus from AIM, 60$/140. but its berdan primed, so non-reloadable.

velocette  [Member]
3/6/2008 10:32:54 AM
Based upon last weeks purchase of the federal 150 gr, Power Shok ammo at Wal Mart, I paid .65 cents per round. Very accurate, clean, great hunting bullet, reloadable & US made. The foreign stuff is ball, accuracy is unknown and in bulk is .55 cents per round.
Seems that a dime more per round buys you a lot more performance.

Just my opinion.

Roger
SchroederUSMC  [Member]
3/7/2008 12:58:16 PM
Hello All,

No Problem Ftierson, I didn't really want to post grouping size due to shooting without a bench rest. But, looking at the targets, the Winchester (very good) appears to be a 2.5" group with no fliers. The good ratings were approximately 4" groupings with an occasional flier (1 of 5). The ok was also a 4" group but with no flier. The poor ratings appear to be 5"-6" inch groups. I'm measuring with my Leatherman so forgive the accuracy of measurement. On Monday, I didn't bring the targets to work with me to measure the groupings.

As far as reliability, my DPMS LR-308T has always cycled the various types of ammo with two discrepancies: A broken Extractor on its first time on the range, and the LC M118 does not fit in the magazine (OAL to long). The DPMS rifles are very tight out of the box, which may be why they recommend break in with high quality ammo.

In the past the surplus ammo from PRVI and LC M118 has Failed To Fire a couple times with the original trigger. Since then I installed a CMC drop in trigger and have fired the same ammo without incident.

Rob Schroeder
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Edit: The subjective ratings were based on camparing the 6 types vs each other. I know that there is far better ammo available - that is what I could find that day at that price. I also realize that there are better shots out there than me, so your mileage may vary. Good luck and have fun.
ftierson  [Team Member]
3/7/2008 4:28:28 PM

Originally Posted By SchroederUSMC:
Hello All,

No Problem Ftierson, I didn't really want to post grouping size due to shooting without a bench rest. But, looking at the targets, the Winchester (very good) appears to be a 2.5" group with no fliers. The good ratings were approximately 4" groupings with an occasional flier (1 of 5). The ok was also a 4" group but with no flier. The poor ratings appear to be 5"-6" inch groups. I'm measuring with my Leatherman so forgive the accuracy of measurement. On Monday, I didn't bring the targets to work with me to measure the groupings.

As far as reliability, my DPMS LR-308T has always cycled the various types of ammo with two discrepancies: A broken Extractor on its first time on the range, and the LC M118 does not fit in the magazine (OAL to long). The DPMS rifles are very tight out of the box, which may be why they recommend break in with high quality ammo.

In the past the surplus ammo from PRVI and LC M118 has Failed To Fire a couple times with the original trigger. Since then I installed a CMC drop in trigger and have fired the same ammo without incident.

Rob Schroeder
1*

Edit: The subjective ratings were based on camparing the 6 types vs each other. I know that there is far better ammo available - that is what I could find that day at that price. I also realize that there are better shots out there than me, so your mileage may vary. Good luck and have fun.


Thanks for the good info...

I appreciate it.

Forrest

Mad5757  [Member]
3/7/2008 5:43:48 PM
Check the gunshows for some Lake City Match. Don't mess with the ball, just the Match ammo. It used to work very well in our M-14's. I've seen round objects about the size of a human noggin explode at 800 to 1000 yards with the stuff. No sighters, just one shot.
The 30-06 LC Match shoots very well also but it is going for about a dollar a round right now. I'm sitting on a ton of it hopefully to contribute to my retirement someday. I don't know what the 7.62 Match is going for but I know it's good stuff.
Dale McClure
USMC 69-72
cujet  [Member]
3/7/2008 7:18:07 PM
I have had great luck with American Eagle in my 24" LR-308. Even more accurate than the Winchester USA brand.

Franklin