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57man  [Member]
1/23/2008 1:42:08 PM EST
Due to the fact that so many can't seemed to stay on point and worry about trademark names. what come makes the best .308 rifle in an ar type rifle? I'm looking to purchase one for tactical matches and target shooting. I need any accurate rifle that has a good rep. for functioning great. Pease if you want to contribute to the discussion start on point. Thanks. I'm up in the air between a Rock river and DPMS. Also considering the armalite.
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joe74  [Team Member]
1/23/2008 2:03:28 PM EST
I have a DPMS AP4,very accurate and no function problems.I put factory and surplus threw it.Fit and finish is great.Mags are fairly easy to get.I like it alot.Also the RRA isnt out yet.
EDIT:Oh I saw your other post.Yeah the whole Arrrmmaalite AR-10 bah bah bah stuff.Dont let it get to you.Good luck with what ever you buy.
hunter121  [Team Member]
1/23/2008 2:37:44 PM EST
I personally have a Armalite that I put together my self (complete upper from A-lite). I am very happy with it and I am taking it to the range for the first time this weekend .

I think both have very good possibility's of being reliable and accurate...As far as the trademarks goes, chevy or ford?

If you are going to be going to tactical match's and require perfection I would look into having GAP build you a 308 Ar. I believe they do Armalite and DPMS. The cost is just over $2K but would be worth it for your situation as you will be competing.
SHIVAN  [Team Member]
1/24/2008 2:55:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By 57man:
What company makes the best .308 AR type rifle?


In my opinion, the ArmaLite AR-10 offers the most features for the dollar spent. It's also backed by a factory lifetime warranty.


I'm looking to purchase one for tactical matches and target shooting.


Moving and shooting @ the matches? For target shooting, the ArmaLite also carries a 1 MOA guarantee with factory match ammo on their (T) models. Though the (T) models would completely cramp your moving with the weapon. They are heavy and meant for target shooting. They offer others, but their accuracy is anywhere from 1 MOA - 2MOA.


I'm up in the air between a Rock river and DPMS. Also considering the armalite.


DPMS makes a quality 308 AR that many recommend highly. The RRA is not out yet, and hasn't been announced as shipping yet, any feedback on it will purely speculation.
BiggiBen  [Member]
1/24/2008 4:32:29 PM EST
Whichever you do decide on, realize, you need a long distance version, and a little brother:







cav_scout_tj  [Member]
1/24/2008 5:40:57 PM EST
Unless you go custom, there are only 2 choices in .308 type AR's: Armalite® and DPMS. RRA is not a choice, and I think people should emphasize the choices you actually have not what qualifies as an AR-10™

I have the DPMS. I started with the 24" heavy barrel. I put a PRS stock on it and it was even heavier. I shot it in a local Tactical Carbine match just for fun. It was real heavy. I decided that was enough of that. I put a mid weight Noveske 18" barrel and an Ace stock and the rifle is down to 8lbs 4 oz. I have not had a chance to shoot it in a match since I changed the stock and scope from IOR 2.5x10 to TA33 ACOG. Pleasure to shoot.



For tactical competition, check out JP. The are all about that run and gun stuff. Naturally, I am a Noveske fan, Poly barrels are the Bees Knees.

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Can we tack something that says: Direct all questions about the RRA .308 to the RRA industry forum as they do not exist in public hands and so are not relevant in discussions.

While we are at it, since we do this Armalite® / DPMS question every other day, can we have an FAQ about that?

constructor  [Team Member]
1/24/2008 5:58:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By 57man:
Due to the fact that so many can't seemed to stay on point and worry about trademark names. what come makes the best .308 rifle in an ar type rifle? I'm looking to purchase one for tactical matches and target shooting. I need any accurate rifle that has a good rep. for functioning great. Pease if you want to contribute to the discussion start on point. Thanks. I'm up in the air between a Rock river and DPMS. Also considering the armalite.

LOL, this guy learns quick.
Armalite does have a two stage trigger but for the $500 you save you can get DPMS, install the best two stage trigger made(geiselle) and have $250 to buy ammo or slings and bipods or oversize safties 18" 308- $895
deanald2pt0  [Member]
1/25/2008 5:57:34 AM EST
I've been thinking about getting a 308 AR type rifle as well for some time. I've looked at the DPMS stuff. The problem is that they don't have exactly what I want. It appears they have 5 or so variations that you can them upgrade.

I guess I don't understand how there upgrading works as far as what it is going to cost me in the end. Can I walk into my dealer and have him order X rifle with Y and Z upgrades and pay less than MSRP or is he only going to be able to order a standard package with no upgrades. Or in that case do you just have to order it from DPMS pay MSRP and have it shipped to a dealer.

I also realize I can always have it customized after I get it.
ar15_rifleman  [Member]
1/25/2008 6:07:55 AM EST
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cav_scout_tj  [Member]
1/25/2008 6:54:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By deanald2pt0:
I've been thinking about getting a 308 AR type rifle as well for some time. I've looked at the DPMS stuff. The problem is that they don't have exactly what I want. It appears they have 5 or so variations that you can them upgrade.

I guess I don't understand how there upgrading works as far as what it is going to cost me in the end. Can I walk into my dealer and have him order X rifle with Y and Z upgrades and pay less than MSRP or is he only going to be able to order a standard package with no upgrades. Or in that case do you just have to order it from DPMS pay MSRP and have it shipped to a dealer.

I also realize I can always have it customized after I get it.


If you have put together a few AR-15s then you could do the upgrades. You might need tools. You could also order the way you want from DPMS, but they are backlogged, so who knows how long that would take.

Pick one to start with, like LR-308T, Tac-20, AP4-308 then upgrade.
I'd say just make sure you get the A3 upper with dust cover.

Difficulty depends on the upgrade. A monkey could put in a trigger or stock or handgrip. If you buy a SWS handguard, I believe they will install it for you. A barrel you need tools. But its not hard. I ordered the wrench, changed the barrel, and then sold the old barrel and wrench. Talk to riflesmiths in your area to see what they work on and what they charge.

Thats what I did in the rifle above.
Get an LR-308 for about $1000, add a Noveske Barrel for $530, sell the old one for $250.

Add an ace stock for $60 on sale at midway. And $100 for a trigger

So for $1440 I have exactly the rifle I want which will out shoot any factory 308.

I should build these and sell them!

TJ

SMC527  [Team Member]
1/25/2008 6:55:37 AM EST
I have been very happy with my DPMS LR TAC20. I put a JP gasblock on it and a CMC trigger.

After a small amount of break in it has been both accurate and reliable (plus I killed a deer in KY with it in november)
Stook  [Member]
1/25/2008 7:17:28 AM EST
I love my DPMS, very well built gun. I havn't shot an Armalite before, I only handled them. DPMS accurcy is top notch, as is Armalite. With Armalite your going to pay more, but you'll get more. With DPMS you can buy brand name parts to upgrade your rifle and still spend less than you would have on the Armalite, a key factor that determined what I bought. If you would like lots of great info on .308 DPMS rifles and how they shoot, please visit D9firearms.com. The other good thing about DPMS is the fact that there are plenty of companies that are already using their design as a standard, making it interchangable with these new components. Anyways, heres my LR-308B.

cmurphy  [Member]
1/25/2008 12:06:33 PM EST
What kind of groups are you getting out of the LR-308B? What mods have you made to it to get these groups?

Thanks.
CMurphy
deanald2pt0  [Member]
1/25/2008 3:23:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By cav_scout_tj:

Originally Posted By deanald2pt0:
I've been thinking about getting a 308 AR type rifle as well for some time. I've looked at the DPMS stuff. The problem is that they don't have exactly what I want. It appears they have 5 or so variations that you can them upgrade.

I guess I don't understand how there upgrading works as far as what it is going to cost me in the end. Can I walk into my dealer and have him order X rifle with Y and Z upgrades and pay less than MSRP or is he only going to be able to order a standard package with no upgrades. Or in that case do you just have to order it from DPMS pay MSRP and have it shipped to a dealer.

I also realize I can always have it customized after I get it.


If you have put together a few AR-15s then you could do the upgrades. You might need tools. You could also order the way you want from DPMS, but they are backlogged, so who knows how long that would take.

Pick one to start with, like LR-308T, Tac-20, AP4-308 then upgrade.
I'd say just make sure you get the A3 upper with dust cover.

Difficulty depends on the upgrade. A monkey could put in a trigger or stock or handgrip. If you buy a SWS handguard, I believe they will install it for you. A barrel you need tools. But its not hard. I ordered the wrench, changed the barrel, and then sold the old barrel and wrench. Talk to riflesmiths in your area to see what they work on and what they charge.

Thats what I did in the rifle above.
Get an LR-308 for about $1000, add a Noveske Barrel for $530, sell the old one for $250.

Add an ace stock for $60 on sale at midway. And $100 for a trigger

So for $1440 I have exactly the rifle I want which will out shoot any factory 308.

I should build these and sell them!

TJ



I've put together a few AR15s, so thats not a problem. Do the LR308s use the same armorer wrench as the AR15s?
Emu  [Member]
1/25/2008 6:36:45 PM EST
Now that RRA has announced shipping of the LAR-8, there is a new game in town!

Obviously it'll take a while for folks to test them out and post the results, but at least we finally have another contender in the ring!
cav_scout_tj  [Member]
1/25/2008 6:55:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By deanald2pt0:

Originally Posted By cav_scout_tj:

Originally Posted By deanald2pt0:
I've been thinking about getting a 308 AR type rifle as well for some time. I've looked at the DPMS stuff. The problem is that they don't have exactly what I want. It appears they have 5 or so variations that you can them upgrade.

I guess I don't understand how there upgrading works as far as what it is going to cost me in the end. Can I walk into my dealer and have him order X rifle with Y and Z upgrades and pay less than MSRP or is he only going to be able to order a standard package with no upgrades. Or in that case do you just have to order it from DPMS pay MSRP and have it shipped to a dealer.

I also realize I can always have it customized after I get it.


If you have put together a few AR-15s then you could do the upgrades. You might need tools. You could also order the way you want from DPMS, but they are backlogged, so who knows how long that would take.

Pick one to start with, like LR-308T, Tac-20, AP4-308 then upgrade.
I'd say just make sure you get the A3 upper with dust cover.

Difficulty depends on the upgrade. A monkey could put in a trigger or stock or handgrip. If you buy a SWS handguard, I believe they will install it for you. A barrel you need tools. But its not hard. I ordered the wrench, changed the barrel, and then sold the old barrel and wrench. Talk to riflesmiths in your area to see what they work on and what they charge.

Thats what I did in the rifle above.
Get an LR-308 for about $1000, add a Noveske Barrel for $530, sell the old one for $250.

Add an ace stock for $60 on sale at midway. And $100 for a trigger

So for $1440 I have exactly the rifle I want which will out shoot any factory 308.

I should build these and sell them!

TJ



I've put together a few AR15s, so thats not a problem. Do the LR308s use the same armorer wrench as the AR15s?


No. Its unique to DPMS; Armalite AR-10® is different also. DPMS does sell a dog bone style thats Armalite AR-10 on one end and DPMS on the other.



Stook  [Member]
1/25/2008 11:04:59 PM EST
Had the rifle for less than a week but get nothing but sub 1'' groups w/ handloads (bought w/ the rifle, and yea, there is a flyer once in a while thats clearly my doing). I would really guess its good for repeatable .5'' groups, but I usually mess something up =0) That, and I don't measure the wind. Its been windy every day this week so I know its influenced my groups, even at 100yrds. As soon as I can I'll post some targets from the range. The rifle has a Jewell trigger, plus all the obvious stuff that is visible in the photo. I still think the M-1A is a nice gun, but after owning this AR its hard to believe I even considered purchasing one over a LR-308.
velocette  [Member]
1/26/2008 3:40:28 AM EST
I've had my DPMS LR 308 B 18" bull barrel, for 7 months, I ordered it through my local gun shop with the JP trigger, JP gas block, Hogue hand grip and Cryogenically treated barrel.
I mounted a 4 ~ 16, 50 mm scope and a Harris bipod to finish it out. At this point, I have somewhere around 1000 rds through it of assorted factory ammo and my handloads. No failures of any kind. Best accuracy has ranged from 5/8" groups with the best of my handloads (41 gr 4895, 168 gr Sierra MK HPBT) and 7/8" groups with the best of the factory (Federal Power shok 150 gr.)
Net investment thus far for all of it ~ $1750.00. For this money, I have a totally reliable, very accurate, easy to shoot rifle that make liberal gun haters wet their pants while they foam at the mouth. What's not to like??

ps, the libs don't like the Garand either.



Roger
JETWC  [Team Member]
1/26/2008 4:52:28 AM EST
Anyone have any experience with the POF-308? It looks pretty interesting with the piston design upper, and takes the DPMS mags?
bigbore  [Industry Partner]
1/26/2008 4:56:19 AM EST
Me, starting with an an AR10


Built around a SS 24" PAC-NOR 1:10 barrel w/Obermeyer chamber, Gas Port relocated 2" forward and a DD 14.0 LITE RAIL.
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