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Trying to lighten my girl up a bit
4/11/2012 1:46:59 PM
And no I didn't mean the gf.
How much weight will I save going from a medium contour barrel to a light weight one. Barrel is 12.5" long.
It looked like I can save about half a pound by going to a Ctr stock.
Girl in question
How much weight will I save going from a medium contour barrel to a light weight one. Barrel is 12.5" long.
It looked like I can save about half a pound by going to a Ctr stock.
Girl in question
4/11/2012 4:51:50 PM
Yeah, I'd say you could lose quite a bit by going with a CTR or MOE stock. For a couple of ounces, you could use MBUS instead of the metal BUIS you have now. Maybe replace your light with a TLR-1 or something similar.
4/11/2012 5:03:37 PM
Some weight could be saved by swapping out the light, VFG, and stock. Then if you are still not happy with the weight, then maybe change out the rail and/or barrel.
4/11/2012 5:14:08 PM
Lift some weights 
That can't weigh more than nine pounds loaded.
That can't weigh more than nine pounds loaded.
4/11/2012 5:15:25 PM
Changing that light to an M300 or X300 will save more weight than a barrel swap in that length.
4/11/2012 5:21:38 PM
Carry a stock HK91 for a while and your gun will feel feather light.
A CavArms lower is one thing people do to make a gun lighter.
A CavArms lower is one thing people do to make a gun lighter.
4/11/2012 8:25:23 PM
Id keep the Medium Contour barrel and look elsewhere.
You have 7 majorly heavy accessories. The ACOG, the Laser,the Buttstock, the Flashlight, the HG itself, the Barrel and the Suppressor. The Suppressor stays, the barrel stays of course. Specially if they play well together.
There are much light versions for optics TA 44, Micro, etc. Much lighter HGs, Lasers, Flashlights, Stocks
Might be able to drop it by 2 or 3 lbs depending on how good you can do on the rail.
The UBR might balance surprisingly well with the suppressor. So maybe change that last or check it out.
All the heavy stuff you have will fetch top dollar, you can easily come up with money to change out the parts just by selling off the heavier stuff. SPRING CLEANING TIME!
You have 7 majorly heavy accessories. The ACOG, the Laser,the Buttstock, the Flashlight, the HG itself, the Barrel and the Suppressor. The Suppressor stays, the barrel stays of course. Specially if they play well together.
There are much light versions for optics TA 44, Micro, etc. Much lighter HGs, Lasers, Flashlights, Stocks
Might be able to drop it by 2 or 3 lbs depending on how good you can do on the rail.
The UBR might balance surprisingly well with the suppressor. So maybe change that last or check it out.
All the heavy stuff you have will fetch top dollar, you can easily come up with money to change out the parts just by selling off the heavier stuff. SPRING CLEANING TIME!
4/11/2012 8:39:25 PM
I'd swap out the Surefire for a Scoutlight first and see how that effects things. If you're looking to lower 'carry weight' taking weight off anywhere is going to help. If you're trying to lower 'handling weight' removing weight off the back of the carbine is likely going to make it feel heavier as it will become less balanced.
4/11/2012 11:49:25 PM
Originally Posted By Undertaker:
Lift some weights
That can't weigh more than nine pounds loaded.
Lift some weights
That can't weigh more than nine pounds loaded.
About 11 pounds loaded
4/12/2012 12:35:19 AM
A CTR stock, Aimpoint T-1 (you could add a magnifier if you really need one), Surefire Mini-Scout, Evolution rail (9.5oz compared to 13.6oz if your rail is a LaRue 9"), and ditch the laser. That should lighten her up quite a bit.
Also, as mentioned above, you could just try removing all the accessories out front and see how it feels. It might balance the rifle out for you.
Also, as mentioned above, you could just try removing all the accessories out front and see how it feels. It might balance the rifle out for you.
4/12/2012 1:16:18 AM
that isn't the lightest rail out there, either.
4/12/2012 1:26:44 AM
Recontour and Youngs Mfg lightweight bcg.
4/12/2012 3:14:31 AM
It's surprising how much just a few ounces can change the way a rifle feels, especially if you give it some leverage to work with like barrel weight tends to do. Considering that changing just the barrel profile and the UBR to lighter weight alternatives could take close to a pound off your rifle weight, you could end up with a very different feeling rifle.
4/12/2012 6:38:17 AM
Scout light and CTR/STR. If your PEQ isn't real then Id drop it, if its real then Id grab DBAL if you can
4/12/2012 7:13:36 AM
You have some high end quality accessories there but do you really need them all on the same rifle?
Sounds like a wind up to a punch line or me being a wise ass but I am actually serious .
Every accessory has some possible use but the sum of them all reaches a conclusion where the value is diminished.
Do some self examination and ask the hard questions about what tasks you want this rifle to accomplish and possibly transfer some of those tasks to a separate rifle. This could end up with a lighter less complicated rifle or could come down to going with something similar to what you have.
Going with a lighter stock will shave the half pound or so you mentioned but as you are somewhat front heavy as is the balance is going to be
worse than it is now. I wouldn't shave weight off the rear unless you can get some savings off the front as well
Sounds like a wind up to a punch line or me being a wise ass but I am actually serious .
Every accessory has some possible use but the sum of them all reaches a conclusion where the value is diminished.
Do some self examination and ask the hard questions about what tasks you want this rifle to accomplish and possibly transfer some of those tasks to a separate rifle. This could end up with a lighter less complicated rifle or could come down to going with something similar to what you have.
Going with a lighter stock will shave the half pound or so you mentioned but as you are somewhat front heavy as is the balance is going to be
worse than it is now. I wouldn't shave weight off the rear unless you can get some savings off the front as well
4/12/2012 7:42:31 AM
I wouldn't drop the PEQ, Can, or ACOG just to save weight, as that would reduce the capability of your rifle.
Swapping to a smaller IR laser like a DBAL will be expensive and then youd need to deal with a seperate illuminattor which will make it even more expensive and may make the weight issue a wash.
I also wouldn't get gimmicky with Cav Arms lowers or lieghtweight BCG as have been suggested. If the rifle is reliable than changing the BCG to a youngs lightweight can affect reliability as the changeoff for weight.
What I WOULD change:
Drop the UBR. Its an awesome stock, but weighs more than its worth. A swap to something lighter like a MOE or CTR will drop a ton of weight. I changed mine out when I started strapping lasers and lights to my DDM4. Totally worth it, and much more versatile if you decide to try other stocks.
Light. X300 or xm300 are great lights, but I'm still a fan of the m600s. I have an E2D w/ KX2C head that's 10 lumens brighter than the m300s head and Its just barely bright enough. Any way you go it will save a ton of weight over the millennium.
The LT rails have a good rep, but there are lighter just as capable forearms out there. Something like a Troy Extreme would be a good way to drop weight and bulk. I'd have to check the numbers, but even the DD rails should be lighter.
If you don't absolutely need the LT FUG, I'd get something lighter like a Magpul RVG, comfortable and super light. I don't see the need to for a GD VFG.
Lastly change the ARMS BUIS for a KAC Micro. Not a ton of difference, but every ounce will help
Make these changes, then see if you still need to cut weight before changing the bbl. I'm sure the bbl and can play together well, and you wouldn't want to change that if they do.
Swapping to a smaller IR laser like a DBAL will be expensive and then youd need to deal with a seperate illuminattor which will make it even more expensive and may make the weight issue a wash.
I also wouldn't get gimmicky with Cav Arms lowers or lieghtweight BCG as have been suggested. If the rifle is reliable than changing the BCG to a youngs lightweight can affect reliability as the changeoff for weight.
What I WOULD change:
Drop the UBR. Its an awesome stock, but weighs more than its worth. A swap to something lighter like a MOE or CTR will drop a ton of weight. I changed mine out when I started strapping lasers and lights to my DDM4. Totally worth it, and much more versatile if you decide to try other stocks.
Light. X300 or xm300 are great lights, but I'm still a fan of the m600s. I have an E2D w/ KX2C head that's 10 lumens brighter than the m300s head and Its just barely bright enough. Any way you go it will save a ton of weight over the millennium.
The LT rails have a good rep, but there are lighter just as capable forearms out there. Something like a Troy Extreme would be a good way to drop weight and bulk. I'd have to check the numbers, but even the DD rails should be lighter.
If you don't absolutely need the LT FUG, I'd get something lighter like a Magpul RVG, comfortable and super light. I don't see the need to for a GD VFG.
Lastly change the ARMS BUIS for a KAC Micro. Not a ton of difference, but every ounce will help
Make these changes, then see if you still need to cut weight before changing the bbl. I'm sure the bbl and can play together well, and you wouldn't want to change that if they do.
4/12/2012 9:41:33 AM
Whoa, what a sec. . . is that combat chocolate?
4/12/2012 9:45:59 AM
Originally Posted By chase45:
About 11 pounds loaded
Originally Posted By Undertaker:
Lift some weights
That can't weigh more than nine pounds loaded.
Lift some weights
That can't weigh more than nine pounds loaded.
About 11 pounds loaded
Holy mother of pearl!
4/12/2012 10:38:46 AM
There's a couple things I worried about with changingout the stock.
Really I would like to.keep everything on the rifle. When I go hiking with it the peq comes off, but its hard to use the rifle with night vision without it.
I'm afraid if I ditch the stock for a lighter one because I don't want it to be front heavy, but if a lighter barrel and lighter stock would keep the balance right id be okay with it.
The weight isn't horrible, my friends bitch about it.more than I do, I do agree with them thought that it is heavy for a SBR.
I designed the rifle to be a all around indestructible rifle. I guess I accomplished that, but didn't think it would weigh this much.
Really I would like to.keep everything on the rifle. When I go hiking with it the peq comes off, but its hard to use the rifle with night vision without it.
I'm afraid if I ditch the stock for a lighter one because I don't want it to be front heavy, but if a lighter barrel and lighter stock would keep the balance right id be okay with it.
The weight isn't horrible, my friends bitch about it.more than I do, I do agree with them thought that it is heavy for a SBR.
I designed the rifle to be a all around indestructible rifle. I guess I accomplished that, but didn't think it would weigh this much.
4/12/2012 10:43:50 AM
What would a lighter barrel do to the shoot ability of the rifle?
The reason I'm wanting a new barrel is this one is about to give up the.ghost. its got about 8-9k through it and is super over gassed with the suppressor. I am assuming that the gas port has started to erode open.
The reason I'm wanting a new barrel is this one is about to give up the.ghost. its got about 8-9k through it and is super over gassed with the suppressor. I am assuming that the gas port has started to erode open.
4/12/2012 10:59:26 AM
Originally Posted By chase45:
There's a couple things I worried about with changingout the stock.
Really I would like to.keep everything on the rifle. When I go hiking with it the peq comes off, but its hard to use the rifle with night vision without it.
I'm afraid if I ditch the stock for a lighter one because I don't want it to be front heavy, but if a lighter barrel and lighter stock would keep the balance right id be okay with it.
The weight isn't horrible, my friends bitch about it.more than I do, I do agree with them thought that it is heavy for a SBR.
I designed the rifle to be a all around indestructible rifle. I guess I accomplished that, but didn't think it would weigh this much.
There's a couple things I worried about with changingout the stock.
Really I would like to.keep everything on the rifle. When I go hiking with it the peq comes off, but its hard to use the rifle with night vision without it.
I'm afraid if I ditch the stock for a lighter one because I don't want it to be front heavy, but if a lighter barrel and lighter stock would keep the balance right id be okay with it.
The weight isn't horrible, my friends bitch about it.more than I do, I do agree with them thought that it is heavy for a SBR.
I designed the rifle to be a all around indestructible rifle. I guess I accomplished that, but didn't think it would weigh this much.
If you change the stock i'd change the forearm too.
To put it in perspective my DDM4 w/ 16" M4 bbl, DBAL, T1, m600v, and CTR weighs 9 lbs. I don't find it front heavy at all. I doubt cutting from the bbl is enough. If you change the light, VFG, and forearm, I think it would balance the less heavy stock out well.
4/12/2012 12:45:29 PM
Originally Posted By jdubya87:
Recontour and Youngs Mfg lightweight bcg.
Recontour and Youngs Mfg lightweight bcg.
Not the best idea for a suppressed weapon. And I wouldn't run a lightweight profile barrel with a suppressor either.
4/12/2012 1:10:41 PM
Originally Posted By chase45:
What would a lighter barrel do to the shoot ability of the rifle?
The reason I'm wanting a new barrel is this one is about to give up the.ghost. its got about 8-9k through it and is super over gassed with the suppressor. I am assuming that the gas port has started to erode open.
What would a lighter barrel do to the shoot ability of the rifle?
The reason I'm wanting a new barrel is this one is about to give up the.ghost. its got about 8-9k through it and is super over gassed with the suppressor. I am assuming that the gas port has started to erode open.
A thicker bbl will have less POI shift with or without the can.
If you need a new bbl, get a new one. Maybe even even an adjustable gasblock.
At this point, maybe building a new upper would be best. If you replace the bbl, rail, and bolt, maybe go all the way and just build a new upper and keep this for non-suppressed shooting.
4/12/2012 1:59:56 PM
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
I wouldn't drop the PEQ, Can, or ACOG just to save weight, as that would reduce the capability of your rifle.
Swapping to a smaller IR laser like a DBAL will be expensive and then youd need to deal with a seperate illuminattor which will make it even more expensive and may make the weight issue a wash.
I also wouldn't get gimmicky with Cav Arms lowers or lieghtweight BCG as have been suggested. If the rifle is reliable than changing the BCG to a youngs lightweight can affect reliability as the changeoff for weight.
What I WOULD change:
Drop the UBR. Its an awesome stock, but weighs more than its worth. A swap to something lighter like a MOE or CTR will drop a ton of weight. I changed mine out when I started strapping lasers and lights to my DDM4. Totally worth it, and much more versatile if you decide to try other stocks.
Light. X300 or xm300 are great lights, but I'm still a fan of the m600s. I have an E2D w/ KX2C head that's 10 lumens brighter than the m300s head and Its just barely bright enough. Any way you go it will save a ton of weight over the millennium.
The LT rails have a good rep, but there are lighter just as capable forearms out there. Something like a Troy Extreme would be a good way to drop weight and bulk. I'd have to check the numbers, but even the DD rails should be lighter.
If you don't absolutely need the LT FUG, I'd get something lighter like a Magpul RVG, comfortable and super light. I don't see the need to for a GD VFG.
Lastly change the ARMS BUIS for a KAC Micro. Not a ton of difference, but every ounce will help
Make these changes, then see if you still need to cut weight before changing the bbl. I'm sure the bbl and can play together well, and you wouldn't want to change that if they do.
I wouldn't drop the PEQ, Can, or ACOG just to save weight, as that would reduce the capability of your rifle.
Swapping to a smaller IR laser like a DBAL will be expensive and then youd need to deal with a seperate illuminattor which will make it even more expensive and may make the weight issue a wash.
I also wouldn't get gimmicky with Cav Arms lowers or lieghtweight BCG as have been suggested. If the rifle is reliable than changing the BCG to a youngs lightweight can affect reliability as the changeoff for weight.
What I WOULD change:
Drop the UBR. Its an awesome stock, but weighs more than its worth. A swap to something lighter like a MOE or CTR will drop a ton of weight. I changed mine out when I started strapping lasers and lights to my DDM4. Totally worth it, and much more versatile if you decide to try other stocks.
Light. X300 or xm300 are great lights, but I'm still a fan of the m600s. I have an E2D w/ KX2C head that's 10 lumens brighter than the m300s head and Its just barely bright enough. Any way you go it will save a ton of weight over the millennium.
The LT rails have a good rep, but there are lighter just as capable forearms out there. Something like a Troy Extreme would be a good way to drop weight and bulk. I'd have to check the numbers, but even the DD rails should be lighter.
If you don't absolutely need the LT FUG, I'd get something lighter like a Magpul RVG, comfortable and super light. I don't see the need to for a GD VFG.
Lastly change the ARMS BUIS for a KAC Micro. Not a ton of difference, but every ounce will help
Make these changes, then see if you still need to cut weight before changing the bbl. I'm sure the bbl and can play together well, and you wouldn't want to change that if they do.
All of these are good recommendations, and I wholeheartedly agree.
IMHO - a suppressed AR will *always* be front heavy. Trying to balance the suppressed weapon from the back with reach the point of diminishing returns before you even start for a "general purpose" carbine, which is what I understand this carbine to be from having seen it posted before. If anything - moving the VFG out further might help with the balance, at least when shouldering.
The UBR - that thing's gotta, gotta go.
Personally, I like the old Colt CAR stocks for lightweight, they're a lot more comfortable and compact than a lot of people suspect.
~Augee
4/12/2012 5:48:11 PM
The UBR is a tank, keep it. I have never had a more durable stock on my carbine. Shave the weight somewhere else.
4/12/2012 6:52:29 PM
Maybe I am better off just building a light weight rifle than try and shave a few ounces here and there. Like i said earlier, the weight doesnt bug me a whole lot. It does get heavy when me and my buddy goes into the woods with our ar's, but its nothing horrible.
This is my go to rifle. Maybe I am better off it being heavier and having rugged accessories than it not.
I have an old m4 stock laying around. I guess Ill throw that on and just see how it feels
This is my go to rifle. Maybe I am better off it being heavier and having rugged accessories than it not.
I have an old m4 stock laying around. I guess Ill throw that on and just see how it feels
4/12/2012 7:02:52 PM
Originally Posted By chase45:
Maybe I am better off just building a light weight rifle than try and shave a few ounces here and there. Like i said earlier, the weight doesnt bug me a whole lot. It does get heavy when me and my buddy goes into the woods with our ar's, but its nothing horrible.
This is my go to rifle. Maybe I am better off it being heavier and having rugged accessories than it not.
I have an old m4 stock laying around. I guess Ill throw that on and just see how it feels
Maybe I am better off just building a light weight rifle than try and shave a few ounces here and there. Like i said earlier, the weight doesnt bug me a whole lot. It does get heavy when me and my buddy goes into the woods with our ar's, but its nothing horrible.
This is my go to rifle. Maybe I am better off it being heavier and having rugged accessories than it not.
I have an old m4 stock laying around. I guess Ill throw that on and just see how it feels
I guarantee with all that gear hanging off your weapon it will be extra front heavy.
4/12/2012 7:07:34 PM
Wasnt as bad as I thought it would be.
Taking off the UBR really lightened it up.
Maybe the best bet would be to do that and get a CTR stock and when I order another barrel I could flute it to take a bit off the front
Taking off the UBR really lightened it up.
Maybe the best bet would be to do that and get a CTR stock and when I order another barrel I could flute it to take a bit off the front
4/12/2012 7:23:04 PM
Originally Posted By chase45:
Wasnt as bad as I thought it would be.
Taking off the UBR really lightened it up.
Maybe the best bet would be to do that and get a CTR stock and when I order another barrel I could flute it to take a bit off the front
Wasnt as bad as I thought it would be.
Taking off the UBR really lightened it up.
Maybe the best bet would be to do that and get a CTR stock and when I order another barrel I could flute it to take a bit off the front
Nice. Told you those stocks were a bit much. I still think something like the TRX is the way to go for a forearm.
Also, you mentioned fluting. Check out ball dimpling. Marvin Pitts at Nefarious Arms does the KAC style, ADCO does another style.
4/12/2012 7:29:08 PM
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Nice. Told you those stocks were a bit much. I still think something like the TRX is the way to go for a forearm.
Also, you mentioned fluting. Check out ball dimpling. Marvin Pitts at Nefarious Arms does the KAC style, ADCO does another style.
Originally Posted By chase45:
Wasnt as bad as I thought it would be.
Taking off the UBR really lightened it up.
Maybe the best bet would be to do that and get a CTR stock and when I order another barrel I could flute it to take a bit off the front
Wasnt as bad as I thought it would be.
Taking off the UBR really lightened it up.
Maybe the best bet would be to do that and get a CTR stock and when I order another barrel I could flute it to take a bit off the front
Nice. Told you those stocks were a bit much. I still think something like the TRX is the way to go for a forearm.
Also, you mentioned fluting. Check out ball dimpling. Marvin Pitts at Nefarious Arms does the KAC style, ADCO does another style.
Only thing I am pissed about is Im going to have to duracoat another CTR stock. Im kicking myself now bc I basically gave my old CTR stock away a few years ago when I switched to the UBR
4/12/2012 7:44:39 PM
Originally Posted By chase45:
Only thing I am pissed about is Im going to have to duracoat another CTR stock. Im kicking myself now bc I basically gave my old CTR stock away a few years ago when I switched to the UBR
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Nice. Told you those stocks were a bit much. I still think something like the TRX is the way to go for a forearm.
Also, you mentioned fluting. Check out ball dimpling. Marvin Pitts at Nefarious Arms does the KAC style, ADCO does another style.
Originally Posted By chase45:
Wasnt as bad as I thought it would be.
Taking off the UBR really lightened it up.
Maybe the best bet would be to do that and get a CTR stock and when I order another barrel I could flute it to take a bit off the front
Wasnt as bad as I thought it would be.
Taking off the UBR really lightened it up.
Maybe the best bet would be to do that and get a CTR stock and when I order another barrel I could flute it to take a bit off the front
Nice. Told you those stocks were a bit much. I still think something like the TRX is the way to go for a forearm.
Also, you mentioned fluting. Check out ball dimpling. Marvin Pitts at Nefarious Arms does the KAC style, ADCO does another style.
Only thing I am pissed about is Im going to have to duracoat another CTR stock. Im kicking myself now bc I basically gave my old CTR stock away a few years ago when I switched to the UBR
When I swapped my MOE for a UBR I absolutely mangled the tube. I was over-zealous, over-excited, and had a crappy stock wrench. When I finally realized how heavy the UBR was I had to buy a new tube.
4/12/2012 7:46:51 PM
stupid question
is the stock nut and the other piece that holds that spring into the reciever and keep its square, will they fit a milspec tube?
I have a commercial tube, and if Im going to order another stock I may as well order it all milspec
is the stock nut and the other piece that holds that spring into the reciever and keep its square, will they fit a milspec tube?
I have a commercial tube, and if Im going to order another stock I may as well order it all milspec
4/12/2012 7:49:50 PM
Of course no one has a CTR in dark earth in stock. Thats my luck
4/12/2012 7:58:51 PM
Originally Posted By chase45:
Wasnt as bad as I thought it would be.
Taking off the UBR really lightened it up.
Maybe the best bet would be to do that and get a CTR stock and when I order another barrel I could flute it to take a bit off the front
Wasnt as bad as I thought it would be.
Taking off the UBR really lightened it up.
Maybe the best bet would be to do that and get a CTR stock and when I order another barrel I could flute it to take a bit off the front
Just dremel flute your current barrel
4/12/2012 10:10:17 PM
What exactly is the reasoning behind not using a LW barrel on a suppressed rifle?
4/13/2012 1:19:40 PM
Flat dark earth CTR in stock here:
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4/13/2012 1:41:09 PM
Got one coming from Rainier. Thanks for the heads up tho!
4/13/2012 1:44:42 PM
Lose the LASER and replace the 951 (or whatever it is) with a G2 LED.
4/13/2012 2:08:11 PM
I cannot believe we're into page two and no one has suggested chopping that LT rail down to carbine or pistol length. Seems I read about someone doing that once before...
4/13/2012 3:00:46 PM
Originally Posted By chase45:
What exactly is the reasoning behind not using a LW barrel on a suppressed rifle?
What exactly is the reasoning behind not using a LW barrel on a suppressed rifle?
POI shift. Thicker bbls are much better suited to handling a 17.6 ounce weight hanging from the end.
4/13/2012 3:57:14 PM
Some weights I came up with for you from here
Rifle w/ 12.5" bbl, UBR, LT 11.0, FUG. 8.285lbs
Rifle w/ 12.5" bbl, CTR, TRX Extreme 11.0, RVG. 6.91lbs.
Not all the accessories are on there, so this is a baseline. Once you account for the differences between the m951 and a lighter light, lighter BUIS, and bbl dimpling/fluting you could hack some weight off without thinning the bbl or
m951 8.6 oz
m600c 5.26 oz
m300a 4.5 oz
x300 3.8 oz
Even though I'd keep the laser here are some more weight comparisons, since there have been some comments on swapping to a class I DBAL unit:
PEQ-2A 7.4oz
DBAL^I2 7.6oz
Its always easy to cut weight, but doing that without cutting capability is the hard part. Sure you can swap to a Cavarms lower, LW bbl, youngs LW BCG, and drop the can, laser, and light, but it doesn't fill the role your rifle currently does. The only role it would fill is "super light-weight".
Rifle w/ 12.5" bbl, UBR, LT 11.0, FUG. 8.285lbs
Rifle w/ 12.5" bbl, CTR, TRX Extreme 11.0, RVG. 6.91lbs.
Not all the accessories are on there, so this is a baseline. Once you account for the differences between the m951 and a lighter light, lighter BUIS, and bbl dimpling/fluting you could hack some weight off without thinning the bbl or
m951 8.6 oz
m600c 5.26 oz
m300a 4.5 oz
x300 3.8 oz
Even though I'd keep the laser here are some more weight comparisons, since there have been some comments on swapping to a class I DBAL unit:
PEQ-2A 7.4oz
DBAL^I2 7.6oz
Its always easy to cut weight, but doing that without cutting capability is the hard part. Sure you can swap to a Cavarms lower, LW bbl, youngs LW BCG, and drop the can, laser, and light, but it doesn't fill the role your rifle currently does. The only role it would fill is "super light-weight".
4/13/2012 5:16:04 PM
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
POI shift. Thicker bbls are much better suited to handling a 17.6 ounce weight hanging from the end.
Originally Posted By chase45:
What exactly is the reasoning behind not using a LW barrel on a suppressed rifle?
What exactly is the reasoning behind not using a LW barrel on a suppressed rifle?
POI shift. Thicker bbls are much better suited to handling a 17.6 ounce weight hanging from the end.
Right, I understand that, but if its a dedicated suppressed rifle it should theoretically not matter correct?
4/13/2012 5:32:09 PM
Originally Posted By chase45:
Right, I understand that, but if its a dedicated suppressed rifle it should theoretically not matter correct?
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
POI shift. Thicker bbls are much better suited to handling a 17.6 ounce weight hanging from the end.
Originally Posted By chase45:
What exactly is the reasoning behind not using a LW barrel on a suppressed rifle?
What exactly is the reasoning behind not using a LW barrel on a suppressed rifle?
POI shift. Thicker bbls are much better suited to handling a 17.6 ounce weight hanging from the end.
Right, I understand that, but if its a dedicated suppressed rifle it should theoretically not matter correct?
Ok, I didn't realize it was suppressed 100%.
I would imagine it would affect bbl harmonics. But with shorter the bbl there would be less issues.
4/13/2012 5:49:50 PM
Maybe I should ask in the suppressor forum.
I do want decent accuracy our of this gun.
I do want decent accuracy our of this gun.
4/13/2012 5:55:54 PM
Originally Posted By chase45:
Maybe I should ask in the suppressor forum.
I do want decent accuracy our of this gun.
Maybe I should ask in the suppressor forum.
I do want decent accuracy our of this gun.
The guys over on silencertalk will probably give you the best answers.
4/13/2012 10:59:12 PM
Seems like an ITAL and a Surefire M620V would have the same functionality but weight a lot less than your Millenium and PEQ..
Danial Defense Lite Rail would function the same but be lighter than your Larue.
KAC Micro BUIS would equal functionality and lighter weight than the ARMS unit.
Magpul RVG would be lighter than the LT FUG.
These are all ways you could lighten the rifle without changing functionality. Individually they don't mean much, but together you're looking at a good part of a pound.
Danial Defense Lite Rail would function the same but be lighter than your Larue.
KAC Micro BUIS would equal functionality and lighter weight than the ARMS unit.
Magpul RVG would be lighter than the LT FUG.
These are all ways you could lighten the rifle without changing functionality. Individually they don't mean much, but together you're looking at a good part of a pound.
4/14/2012 7:10:42 PM
You could go with a monolithic upper and save some weight there. And it gives you a good excuse to build another AR. 
