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A5 stock vs A1 stock.
3/1/2012 7:00:50 PM
i'm trying to figure out what one to go with, convince me of one. Its for a 20" barrel, weight and maneuverability are factors. obviously a a1 is cheaper, a, ive never used a fixed stock ar though always has been tele stocks but on shorter barrels.
3/1/2012 7:04:24 PM
Go A5...all the pros and none of the cons.
Length of pull for fixed stocks were always to long for me, now you can have the appropriate buffer and tube length in a telescoping stock! Bout time someone figured it out!
Length of pull for fixed stocks were always to long for me, now you can have the appropriate buffer and tube length in a telescoping stock! Bout time someone figured it out!
3/1/2012 7:07:17 PM
Originally Posted By MerKWorK:
Go A5...all the pros and none of the cons.
Length of pull for fixed stocks were always to long for me, now you can have the appropriate buffer and tube length in a telescoping stock! Bout time someone figured it out!
Go A5...all the pros and none of the cons.
Length of pull for fixed stocks were always to long for me, now you can have the appropriate buffer and tube length in a telescoping stock! Bout time someone figured it out!
Yep +1 the A5 is by far the best stock system there is, vltor put alot of planning into this stock.
3/1/2012 10:00:20 PM
We need an A-5 thread.
3/1/2012 11:35:33 PM
Originally Posted By 762minigun2:
We need an A-5 thread.
We need an A-5 thread.
YEs, tell me more.
3/2/2012 8:14:49 AM
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3/5/2012 8:01:10 PM
Looks like i'll have to get one. I almost backpedaled on getting a 20" upper, but seems like with a collapsing stock it make a handy package without any compromises, since all i see with 16" mid vs carbine or 14.5" mid vs carbine, is a pissing match between whats "best", my other one is a 14.5" mid since it has fixed sights i figured the extra sight radius was worth it. . Seems like the only negative for the 20" is "i can't get in and out of my civic as quickly with it to dispatch murderous squirrels" or " my arms are to weak to hold it up and the 42 ounce soda at the same time".<–– those are jokes by the way,. And i have the 14.5" for when i need to clear the condo from the dead.
3/5/2012 10:55:17 PM
3/15/2012 11:36:54 AM
Originally Posted By MerKWorK:
Go A5...all the pros and none of the cons.
Length of pull for fixed stocks were always to long for me, now you can have the appropriate buffer and tube length in a telescoping stock! Bout time someone figured it out!
Go A5...all the pros and none of the cons.
Length of pull for fixed stocks were always to long for me, now you can have the appropriate buffer and tube length in a telescoping stock! Bout time someone figured it out!
I have to respectfully disagree. I use a C7A2 for work which is a 20" barrel with 4 pos fiberlite stock. When wearing body armour I extend the stock to the first notch and find it perfect for me, no body armour and I fully extend it which gives me A1 length. The Emod stock would give me zero adjustability when used with body armour due to the increased length of the stock body. I'm sure it would fit me fine if I were using armour and it was fully collapsed but that kind of defeats the point of an adjustable stock IMO. Without body armour you'd have to check wich notch works best for you rather than fully extending the stock without looking. Not knocking VLTOR, I have an old modstock and find it perfect my use because of the fact that it doesn't really extend past the old CAR stock length when you don't use the butt pad.
To the OP, if you want a 20" barrel with collapsible stock then pick whichever stock you like and use an H2 buffer. The Cdn govt found the H2 buffer to be the most reliable when using one lower with multiple barrel lengths.
3/15/2012 4:55:36 PM
Originally Posted By Leg:
I have to respectfully disagree. I use a C7A2 for work which is a 20" barrel with 4 pos fiberlite stock. When wearing body armour I extend the stock to the first notch and find it perfect for me, no body armour and I fully extend it which gives me A1 length. The Emod stock would give me zero adjustability when used with body armour due to the increased length of the stock body. I'm sure it would fit me fine if I were using armour and it was fully collapsed but that kind of defeats the point of an adjustable stock IMO. Without body armour you'd have to check wich notch works best for you rather than fully extending the stock without looking. Not knocking VLTOR, I have an old modstock and find it perfect my use because of the fact that it doesn't really extend past the old CAR stock length when you don't use the butt pad.
To the OP, if you want a 20" barrel with collapsible stock then pick whichever stock you like and use an H2 buffer. The Cdn govt found the H2 buffer to be the most reliable when using one lower with multiple barrel lengths.
Originally Posted By MerKWorK:
Go A5...all the pros and none of the cons.
Length of pull for fixed stocks were always to long for me, now you can have the appropriate buffer and tube length in a telescoping stock! Bout time someone figured it out!
Go A5...all the pros and none of the cons.
Length of pull for fixed stocks were always to long for me, now you can have the appropriate buffer and tube length in a telescoping stock! Bout time someone figured it out!
I have to respectfully disagree. I use a C7A2 for work which is a 20" barrel with 4 pos fiberlite stock. When wearing body armour I extend the stock to the first notch and find it perfect for me, no body armour and I fully extend it which gives me A1 length. The Emod stock would give me zero adjustability when used with body armour due to the increased length of the stock body. I'm sure it would fit me fine if I were using armour and it was fully collapsed but that kind of defeats the point of an adjustable stock IMO. Without body armour you'd have to check wich notch works best for you rather than fully extending the stock without looking. Not knocking VLTOR, I have an old modstock and find it perfect my use because of the fact that it doesn't really extend past the old CAR stock length when you don't use the butt pad.
To the OP, if you want a 20" barrel with collapsible stock then pick whichever stock you like and use an H2 buffer. The Cdn govt found the H2 buffer to be the most reliable when using one lower with multiple barrel lengths.
And NSW Crane and the marines found the A5 system to be more reliable than the A2 rifle system.
3/15/2012 5:33:47 PM
The eMod all the way in is a cunt hair shorter than an M4 stock one notch out. My only complaint is that they need to hurry up and release an imod for the A5 because the eMod is heavy.
3/15/2012 5:43:24 PM
The A5 system truly is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I am running 5 of them on my guns.
(includes S&W M&P-15R 5.45, Noveske N4 14.5 carbines, and Palmetto State Armory 20" CHF barrel rifles.)
3/15/2012 7:12:40 PM
Someone did a cylic rate test with the hk416
The 10.4" was running at around 950rpm which is incredibly fast.
With the A5 system using their heaviest A5H4 buffer it put the hk416 down to 776 RPM.
The 10.4" was running at around 950rpm which is incredibly fast.
With the A5 system using their heaviest A5H4 buffer it put the hk416 down to 776 RPM.
3/17/2012 11:41:13 AM
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
And NSW Crane and the marines found the A5 system to be more reliable than the A2 rifle system.
Originally Posted By Leg:
I have to respectfully disagree. I use a C7A2 for work which is a 20" barrel with 4 pos fiberlite stock. When wearing body armour I extend the stock to the first notch and find it perfect for me, no body armour and I fully extend it which gives me A1 length. The Emod stock would give me zero adjustability when used with body armour due to the increased length of the stock body. I'm sure it would fit me fine if I were using armour and it was fully collapsed but that kind of defeats the point of an adjustable stock IMO. Without body armour you'd have to check wich notch works best for you rather than fully extending the stock without looking. Not knocking VLTOR, I have an old modstock and find it perfect my use because of the fact that it doesn't really extend past the old CAR stock length when you don't use the butt pad.
To the OP, if you want a 20" barrel with collapsible stock then pick whichever stock you like and use an H2 buffer. The Cdn govt found the H2 buffer to be the most reliable when using one lower with multiple barrel lengths.
Originally Posted By MerKWorK:
Go A5...all the pros and none of the cons.
Length of pull for fixed stocks were always to long for me, now you can have the appropriate buffer and tube length in a telescoping stock! Bout time someone figured it out!
Go A5...all the pros and none of the cons.
Length of pull for fixed stocks were always to long for me, now you can have the appropriate buffer and tube length in a telescoping stock! Bout time someone figured it out!
I have to respectfully disagree. I use a C7A2 for work which is a 20" barrel with 4 pos fiberlite stock. When wearing body armour I extend the stock to the first notch and find it perfect for me, no body armour and I fully extend it which gives me A1 length. The Emod stock would give me zero adjustability when used with body armour due to the increased length of the stock body. I'm sure it would fit me fine if I were using armour and it was fully collapsed but that kind of defeats the point of an adjustable stock IMO. Without body armour you'd have to check wich notch works best for you rather than fully extending the stock without looking. Not knocking VLTOR, I have an old modstock and find it perfect my use because of the fact that it doesn't really extend past the old CAR stock length when you don't use the butt pad.
To the OP, if you want a 20" barrel with collapsible stock then pick whichever stock you like and use an H2 buffer. The Cdn govt found the H2 buffer to be the most reliable when using one lower with multiple barrel lengths.
And NSW Crane and the marines found the A5 system to be more reliable than the A2 rifle system.
Ok, sure, I find that very interesting given how reliable fixed stocks are. That doesn't address the issues I have with the system. I was speaking to the comment about it having all of the pros and none of the cons. For my use the big con is that I completely lose all adjustability when using body armour. The extra length of the stock means less adjustability for the average person, even with seven positions, not more. How long is that system when completely extended? Was it designed for gorillas? I'd think that the Marines would have the same issue but perhaps there's something I'm missing. I haven't personally used one so unfortunately I'm not talking from first hand experience with A5 system. For personal use when using longer barrels or 16" midlengths I prefer the look of a fixed A1 stock anyway , others may prefer the A5.
3/20/2012 5:08:55 PM
I have converted a second 20" Colt HBAR to the A5 because I was so happy with #1.
Both rifles still run great, but now they fit in a shorter gun case that fits perfectly accross the back of my station wagon.
With several sliding buttstocks that clamp in position available, I still have the solid feel of an A1 or an A2 that I am used to after many years of shooting accross the course.
These new generation of sliders offer way more flexibility in sling mounting versus a traditional fixed M16 stock as well.
I also assume these modified rifles will be "Grand Fathered" when the obomination is re-elected and bans them.
Both rifles still run great, but now they fit in a shorter gun case that fits perfectly accross the back of my station wagon.
With several sliding buttstocks that clamp in position available, I still have the solid feel of an A1 or an A2 that I am used to after many years of shooting accross the course.
These new generation of sliders offer way more flexibility in sling mounting versus a traditional fixed M16 stock as well.
I also assume these modified rifles will be "Grand Fathered" when the obomination is re-elected and bans them.
3/20/2012 7:39:46 PM
Originally Posted By coldblue:
I have converted a second 20" Colt HBAR to the A5 because I was so happy with #1.
Both rifles still run great, but now they fit in a shorter gun case that fits perfectly accross the back of my station wagon.
With several sliding buttstocks that clamp in position available, I still have the solid feel of an A1 or an A2 that I am used to after many years of shooting accross the course.
These new genseration of sliders offer way more flexibility in sling mounting versus a traditional fixed M16 stock as well.
I also assume these modified rifles will be "Grand Fathered" when the obomination is realected and bans them.
I have converted a second 20" Colt HBAR to the A5 because I was so happy with #1.
Both rifles still run great, but now they fit in a shorter gun case that fits perfectly accross the back of my station wagon.
With several sliding buttstocks that clamp in position available, I still have the solid feel of an A1 or an A2 that I am used to after many years of shooting accross the course.
These new genseration of sliders offer way more flexibility in sling mounting versus a traditional fixed M16 stock as well.
I also assume these modified rifles will be "Grand Fathered" when the obomination is realected and bans them.
What AR's?
3/20/2012 7:45:41 PM
Originally Posted By Leg:
Ok, sure, I find that very interesting given how reliable fixed stocks are. That doesn't address the issues I have with the system. I was speaking to the comment about it having all of the pros and none of the cons. For my use the big con is that I completely lose all adjustability when using body armour. The extra length of the stock means less adjustability for the average person, even with seven positions, not more. How long is that system when completely extended? Was it designed for gorillas? I'd think that the Marines would have the same issue but perhaps there's something I'm missing. I haven't personally used one so unfortunately I'm not talking from first hand experience with A5 system. For personal use when using longer barrels or 16" midlengths I prefer the look of a fixed A1 stock anyway , others may prefer the A5.
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
And NSW Crane and the marines found the A5 system to be more reliable than the A2 rifle system.
Originally Posted By Leg:
I have to respectfully disagree. I use a C7A2 for work which is a 20" barrel with 4 pos fiberlite stock. When wearing body armour I extend the stock to the first notch and find it perfect for me, no body armour and I fully extend it which gives me A1 length. The Emod stock would give me zero adjustability when used with body armour due to the increased length of the stock body. I'm sure it would fit me fine if I were using armour and it was fully collapsed but that kind of defeats the point of an adjustable stock IMO. Without body armour you'd have to check wich notch works best for you rather than fully extending the stock without looking. Not knocking VLTOR, I have an old modstock and find it perfect my use because of the fact that it doesn't really extend past the old CAR stock length when you don't use the butt pad.
To the OP, if you want a 20" barrel with collapsible stock then pick whichever stock you like and use an H2 buffer. The Cdn govt found the H2 buffer to be the most reliable when using one lower with multiple barrel lengths.
Originally Posted By MerKWorK:
Go A5...all the pros and none of the cons.
Length of pull for fixed stocks were always to long for me, now you can have the appropriate buffer and tube length in a telescoping stock! Bout time someone figured it out!
Go A5...all the pros and none of the cons.
Length of pull for fixed stocks were always to long for me, now you can have the appropriate buffer and tube length in a telescoping stock! Bout time someone figured it out!
I have to respectfully disagree. I use a C7A2 for work which is a 20" barrel with 4 pos fiberlite stock. When wearing body armour I extend the stock to the first notch and find it perfect for me, no body armour and I fully extend it which gives me A1 length. The Emod stock would give me zero adjustability when used with body armour due to the increased length of the stock body. I'm sure it would fit me fine if I were using armour and it was fully collapsed but that kind of defeats the point of an adjustable stock IMO. Without body armour you'd have to check wich notch works best for you rather than fully extending the stock without looking. Not knocking VLTOR, I have an old modstock and find it perfect my use because of the fact that it doesn't really extend past the old CAR stock length when you don't use the butt pad.
To the OP, if you want a 20" barrel with collapsible stock then pick whichever stock you like and use an H2 buffer. The Cdn govt found the H2 buffer to be the most reliable when using one lower with multiple barrel lengths.
And NSW Crane and the marines found the A5 system to be more reliable than the A2 rifle system.
Ok, sure, I find that very interesting given how reliable fixed stocks are. That doesn't address the issues I have with the system. I was speaking to the comment about it having all of the pros and none of the cons. For my use the big con is that I completely lose all adjustability when using body armour. The extra length of the stock means less adjustability for the average person, even with seven positions, not more. How long is that system when completely extended? Was it designed for gorillas? I'd think that the Marines would have the same issue but perhaps there's something I'm missing. I haven't personally used one so unfortunately I'm not talking from first hand experience with A5 system. For personal use when using longer barrels or 16" midlengths I prefer the look of a fixed A1 stock anyway , others may prefer the A5.
i run my A5 on the first notch out and if i wear armor i run it fully collapsed. i cant say ive ever really heard people complain about the EMod stock, there is 7 notches to adjust
3/21/2012 6:31:54 PM
That looks exactly like my rifle. Except I've goth a 553 on mine. Is that a colt hbar?
3/21/2012 6:59:56 PM
A5 is a heavy stock. Just got one.
3/22/2012 7:51:38 AM
Originally Posted By mstennes:
What AR's?
Originally Posted By coldblue:
I have converted a second 20" Colt HBAR to the A5 because I was so happy with #1.
Both rifles still run great, but now they fit in a shorter gun case that fits perfectly accross the back of my station wagon.
With several sliding buttstocks that clamp in position available, I still have the solid feel of an A1 or an A2 that I am used to after many years of shooting accross the course.
These new genseration of sliders offer way more flexibility in sling mounting versus a traditional fixed M16 stock as well.
I also assume these modified rifles will be "Grand Fathered" when the obomination is realected and bans them.
I have converted a second 20" Colt HBAR to the A5 because I was so happy with #1.
Both rifles still run great, but now they fit in a shorter gun case that fits perfectly accross the back of my station wagon.
With several sliding buttstocks that clamp in position available, I still have the solid feel of an A1 or an A2 that I am used to after many years of shooting accross the course.
These new genseration of sliders offer way more flexibility in sling mounting versus a traditional fixed M16 stock as well.
I also assume these modified rifles will be "Grand Fathered" when the obomination is realected and bans them.
What AR's?
I'll take KAC rifle awesomeness for $1000 Alex.
3/26/2012 3:00:41 PM
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
i run my A5 on the first notch out and if i wear armor i run it fully collapsed. i cant say ive ever really heard people complain about the EMod stock, there is 7 notches to adjust
Originally Posted By Leg:
Ok, sure, I find that very interesting given how reliable fixed stocks are. That doesn't address the issues I have with the system. I was speaking to the comment about it having all of the pros and none of the cons. For my use the big con is that I completely lose all adjustability when using body armour. The extra length of the stock means less adjustability for the average person, even with seven positions, not more. How long is that system when completely extended? Was it designed for gorillas? I'd think that the Marines would have the same issue but perhaps there's something I'm missing. I haven't personally used one so unfortunately I'm not talking from first hand experience with A5 system. For personal use when using longer barrels or 16" midlengths I prefer the look of a fixed A1 stock anyway , others may prefer the A5.
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
And NSW Crane and the marines found the A5 system to be more reliable than the A2 rifle system.
Originally Posted By Leg:
I have to respectfully disagree. I use a C7A2 for work which is a 20" barrel with 4 pos fiberlite stock. When wearing body armour I extend the stock to the first notch and find it perfect for me, no body armour and I fully extend it which gives me A1 length. The Emod stock would give me zero adjustability when used with body armour due to the increased length of the stock body. I'm sure it would fit me fine if I were using armour and it was fully collapsed but that kind of defeats the point of an adjustable stock IMO. Without body armour you'd have to check wich notch works best for you rather than fully extending the stock without looking. Not knocking VLTOR, I have an old modstock and find it perfect my use because of the fact that it doesn't really extend past the old CAR stock length when you don't use the butt pad.
To the OP, if you want a 20" barrel with collapsible stock then pick whichever stock you like and use an H2 buffer. The Cdn govt found the H2 buffer to be the most reliable when using one lower with multiple barrel lengths.
Originally Posted By MerKWorK:
Go A5...all the pros and none of the cons.
Length of pull for fixed stocks were always to long for me, now you can have the appropriate buffer and tube length in a telescoping stock! Bout time someone figured it out!
Go A5...all the pros and none of the cons.
Length of pull for fixed stocks were always to long for me, now you can have the appropriate buffer and tube length in a telescoping stock! Bout time someone figured it out!
I have to respectfully disagree. I use a C7A2 for work which is a 20" barrel with 4 pos fiberlite stock. When wearing body armour I extend the stock to the first notch and find it perfect for me, no body armour and I fully extend it which gives me A1 length. The Emod stock would give me zero adjustability when used with body armour due to the increased length of the stock body. I'm sure it would fit me fine if I were using armour and it was fully collapsed but that kind of defeats the point of an adjustable stock IMO. Without body armour you'd have to check wich notch works best for you rather than fully extending the stock without looking. Not knocking VLTOR, I have an old modstock and find it perfect my use because of the fact that it doesn't really extend past the old CAR stock length when you don't use the butt pad.
To the OP, if you want a 20" barrel with collapsible stock then pick whichever stock you like and use an H2 buffer. The Cdn govt found the H2 buffer to be the most reliable when using one lower with multiple barrel lengths.
And NSW Crane and the marines found the A5 system to be more reliable than the A2 rifle system.
Ok, sure, I find that very interesting given how reliable fixed stocks are. That doesn't address the issues I have with the system. I was speaking to the comment about it having all of the pros and none of the cons. For my use the big con is that I completely lose all adjustability when using body armour. The extra length of the stock means less adjustability for the average person, even with seven positions, not more. How long is that system when completely extended? Was it designed for gorillas? I'd think that the Marines would have the same issue but perhaps there's something I'm missing. I haven't personally used one so unfortunately I'm not talking from first hand experience with A5 system. For personal use when using longer barrels or 16" midlengths I prefer the look of a fixed A1 stock anyway , others may prefer the A5.
i run my A5 on the first notch out and if i wear armor i run it fully collapsed. i cant say ive ever really heard people complain about the EMod stock, there is 7 notches to adjust
Again you've proved my point. You're only using two positions on a seven position tube, it's less adjustable, not more. That may work for you and that's fine, but it won't work for someone who requires a shorter stock. What if I'm wearing armour and heavy winter clothing, now, even fully collapsed, I may not be able to get the proper eye relief. What about all the women in the Marines? I'm thinking from a purely military context, not civilian. I just find it odd that the Marines are thinking about finally ditching the fixed stock and switching to a stock that has such limited adjustability for the average individual.
ETA: It does give you a lot more options in terms of sling mounting, that may be enough for some people.
3/26/2012 3:05:56 PM
The easy solution is to use a longer imod to take 3/4" off of the collapsed length.
3/29/2012 7:13:34 PM
Installed mine today on my Colt CAR-A3 HBAR Elete. Finally the rifle will fit in a reasonable sized gun case!
4/20/2012 12:54:56 AM
Just ordered another one for my 20" Colt.
With DSG Arms $15.00 off $200.00 orders this month i couldnt resist.
With DSG Arms $15.00 off $200.00 orders this month i couldnt resist.
4/20/2012 1:12:23 AM
Close as I'm getting to it..
4/25/2012 7:24:45 PM
Got another one
4/26/2012 8:19:57 PM
I tested mine with a 20" Brl and two types of ammo today. XM193 and 62Gn TBBC .223. No stoppages. Recoil feels about the same as with a fixed stock but no annoying "sproing" noise like with fixed stocks.
4/27/2012 12:10:06 PM
how easy is it to take the rubber butt pad off ?
4/27/2012 1:30:08 PM
I'm running a full A5 setup on my 20", a A5 tube, spring and buffer, with a SOPMOD on both my REECEs and SPR. Works great in all of them.
4/28/2012 11:06:15 AM
The A5 is a great stock but it does have some disadvantages.
Cheek wield is hokey with some optics setups. Half my jaw was on the stock, half on the buffer for a 1-4x variable I previously owned.
Its darn heavy compared to a CAV Manf C1 stock for example.
Otherwise its a good product. I run 20s and the stock rifle buffer tube has never given me a malfunction in the first place so the A5 is just extra butter for the bread.
To answer the question above, the rubber butt-pad removes easily and noticeably reduces the weight. That pad is heavy.
Cheek wield is hokey with some optics setups. Half my jaw was on the stock, half on the buffer for a 1-4x variable I previously owned.
Its darn heavy compared to a CAV Manf C1 stock for example.
Otherwise its a good product. I run 20s and the stock rifle buffer tube has never given me a malfunction in the first place so the A5 is just extra butter for the bread.
To answer the question above, the rubber butt-pad removes easily and noticeably reduces the weight. That pad is heavy.
