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USMCMidn  [Member]
11/9/2010 7:43:12 AM EST
In your HO what is the best buffer for a stock? I would want it for a Carbine AR15.

Gives best reduction in recoil is what I really want and gives off less shock to optics.
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shadowcop  [Team Member]
11/9/2010 7:48:43 AM EST
I use H2. So does the Governmnet.
psdavi01  [Team Member]
11/9/2010 8:12:17 AM EST
Spikes ST-T2 heavy buffer
hellbound  [Team Member]
11/9/2010 8:16:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By psdavi01:
Spikes ST-T2 heavy buffer


can you please cite experience or any type of scientific proof that it's the "best"

all i know is that the ST-T2 that uses tungsten powder that can vary in weight from less than an H buffer to almost an H2 buffer and increases bolt bounce, but hey it's got that spider on it, so it has to be "THE BEST"

these are the tech forums, not the circle jerk opinion forums

the H2 is used in the Mk18 (10.3") and the M4A1 (14.5) and IIRC the canadians found the H2 the best to run in all of their rifles, i've found the H2 to run in my 10.5", 11.5", 14.5" carbines, and in my 18" midlength. there are other folks that have even been running the H2 in their 14.5" midlengths, which is what i plan to do. it's smoother than a standard carbine buffer and the difference between an H and H2 for me has been hard to tell, however i prefer to run the heaviest buffer i have that doesn't cause malfunctions.
USMCMidn  [Member]
11/9/2010 8:43:35 AM EST
I was thinking this...

http://www.buffertech.com/AR-Restor-Hydraulic-Recoil-Buffer-Carbine-P178.aspx
psdavi01  [Team Member]
11/9/2010 9:18:10 AM EST
Originally Posted By hellbound:
Originally Posted By psdavi01:
Spikes ST-T2 heavy buffer


can you please cite experience or any type of scientific proof that it's the "best"

all i know is that the ST-T2 that uses tungsten powder that can vary in weight from less than an H buffer to almost an H2 buffer and increases bolt bounce, but hey it's got that spider on it, so it has to be "THE BEST"

these are the tech forums, not the circle jerk opinion forums

the H2 is used in the Mk18 (10.3") and the M4A1 (14.5) and IIRC the canadians found the H2 the best to run in all of their rifles, i've found the H2 to run in my 10.5", 11.5", 14.5" carbines, and in my 18" midlength. there are other folks that have even been running the H2 in their 14.5" midlengths, which is what i plan to do. it's smoother than a standard carbine buffer and the difference between an H and H2 for me has been hard to tell, however i prefer to run the heaviest buffer i have that doesn't cause malfunctions.


I have used both, shot the hell out of AR15s in the militairy, and the ST-T2 is smoother and has less felt recoil than the H2.

psdavi01  [Team Member]
11/9/2010 9:40:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By hellbound:
Originally Posted By psdavi01:
Spikes ST-T2 heavy buffer


can you please cite experience or any type of scientific proof that it's the "best"

all i know is that the ST-T2 that uses tungsten powder that can vary in weight from less than an H buffer to almost an H2 buffer and increases bolt bounce, but hey it's got that spider on it, so it has to be "THE BEST"

these are the tech forums, not the circle jerk opinion forums

the H2 is used in the Mk18 (10.3") and the M4A1 (14.5) and IIRC the canadians found the H2 the best to run in all of their rifles, i've found the H2 to run in my 10.5", 11.5", 14.5" carbines, and in my 18" midlength. there are other folks that have even been running the H2 in their 14.5" midlengths, which is what i plan to do. it's smoother than a standard carbine buffer and the difference between an H and H2 for me has been hard to tell, however i prefer to run the heaviest buffer i have that doesn't cause malfunctions.


Oh yeah I forgot, no "bolt bounce" NONE, nada, 0 and mine weighs exactly 121.902 grams, yeah and the spider is cool too! You are not an arachnophobe are you?


Gregory_K  [Team Member]
11/9/2010 1:49:46 PM EST
less reciprocating mass the better for more linear recoil and less muzzle rise.
BSWilson  [Member]
11/9/2010 2:12:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By Gregory_K:
less reciprocating mass the better for more linear recoil and less muzzle rise.


You are mistaken. Reciprocating mass is beneficial to the operation of an AR15, otherwise everyone would be using 9mm buffers by now.
USMCMidn  [Member]
11/9/2010 2:43:15 PM EST
So again... anyone hear of this...

http://www.buffertech.com/AR-Restor-Hydraulic-Recoil-Buffer-Carbine-P178.aspx

I know its expensive but in theory it should work better right? ? ?
Gregory_K  [Team Member]
11/9/2010 2:56:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By BSWilson:
Originally Posted By Gregory_K:
less reciprocating mass the better for more linear recoil and less muzzle rise.


You are mistaken. Reciprocating mass is beneficial to the operation of an AR15, otherwise everyone would be using 9mm buffers by now.


You are aware that 9mm buffers weight more. and is opposite of what I said.

Standard CAR 2.9 oz.
H buffer is 3.8 oz.
H2 buffer is 4.6 oz.
Rifle buffer is 5.17 oz.
9mm buffer is 5.5 oz.
H3 buffer is 5.6 oz.
Gregory_K  [Team Member]
11/9/2010 3:06:00 PM EST
Originally Posted By USMCMidn:
So again... anyone hear of this...

http://www.buffertech.com/AR-Restor-Hydraulic-Recoil-Buffer-Carbine-P178.aspx

I know its expensive but in theory it should work better right? ? ?


What kind of scope are you using that you have to worry about the recoil impulse of a .223 cartridge breaking it?
a std or h2 will be just fine. the low mass carriers and buffers from JP work, but require a high level of maintenance for 100% function. these are more for faster splits.

We got guys with years of competition shooting with a Leupold varix-ii line of scope that still hold zero.

Your money may just be better spent on glass than on springs and buffers.
BSWilson  [Member]
11/9/2010 3:06:17 PM EST
Originally Posted By Gregory_K:
Originally Posted By BSWilson:
Originally Posted By Gregory_K:
less reciprocating mass the better for more linear recoil and less muzzle rise.


You are mistaken. Reciprocating mass is beneficial to the operation of an AR15, otherwise everyone would be using 9mm buffers by now.


You are aware that 9mm buffers weight more. and is opposite of what I said.

Standard CAR 2.9 oz.
H buffer is 3.8 oz.
H2 buffer is 4.6 oz.
Rifle buffer is 5.17 oz.
9mm buffer is 5.5 oz.
H3 buffer is 5.6 oz.




They weigh more, but generally have no reciprocating mass within them and are solid.

The best buffer is the heaviest one that still functions the gun under adverse conditions.
shadowcop  [Team Member]
11/9/2010 3:18:28 PM EST
Actually, I use 9mm buffers in 2 of my SBR's.
hellbound  [Team Member]
11/9/2010 3:24:07 PM EST
Originally Posted By psdavi01:
Originally Posted By hellbound:
Originally Posted By psdavi01:
Spikes ST-T2 heavy buffer


can you please cite experience or any type of scientific proof that it's the "best"

all i know is that the ST-T2 that uses tungsten powder that can vary in weight from less than an H buffer to almost an H2 buffer and increases bolt bounce, but hey it's got that spider on it, so it has to be "THE BEST"

these are the tech forums, not the circle jerk opinion forums

the H2 is used in the Mk18 (10.3") and the M4A1 (14.5) and IIRC the canadians found the H2 the best to run in all of their rifles, i've found the H2 to run in my 10.5", 11.5", 14.5" carbines, and in my 18" midlength. there are other folks that have even been running the H2 in their 14.5" midlengths, which is what i plan to do. it's smoother than a standard carbine buffer and the difference between an H and H2 for me has been hard to tell, however i prefer to run the heaviest buffer i have that doesn't cause malfunctions.


I have used both, shot the hell out of AR15s in the militairy, and the ST-T2 is smoother and has less felt recoil than the H2.



you shot AR15s in the military? what unit issues Semi Auto rifles? I was under the impression that the H2 is only in the M4A1s and the MK18, so i'm not really sure i believe you...
hellbound  [Team Member]
11/9/2010 3:27:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By psdavi01:
Originally Posted By hellbound:
Originally Posted By psdavi01:
Spikes ST-T2 heavy buffer


can you please cite experience or any type of scientific proof that it's the "best"

all i know is that the ST-T2 that uses tungsten powder that can vary in weight from less than an H buffer to almost an H2 buffer and increases bolt bounce, but hey it's got that spider on it, so it has to be "THE BEST"

these are the tech forums, not the circle jerk opinion forums

the H2 is used in the Mk18 (10.3") and the M4A1 (14.5) and IIRC the canadians found the H2 the best to run in all of their rifles, i've found the H2 to run in my 10.5", 11.5", 14.5" carbines, and in my 18" midlength. there are other folks that have even been running the H2 in their 14.5" midlengths, which is what i plan to do. it's smoother than a standard carbine buffer and the difference between an H and H2 for me has been hard to tell, however i prefer to run the heaviest buffer i have that doesn't cause malfunctions.


Oh yeah I forgot, no "bolt bounce" NONE, nada, 0 and mine weighs exactly 121.902 grams, yeah and the spider is cool too! You are not an arachnophobe are you?




how did you verify no bolt bounce? high speed video cameras?

please post pictures of your scale... i can't believe that your buffer weighs EXACTLY 4.3 ounces out to the thousands of a gram... i think someone just googled "4.3 ounces in grams"
BSWilson  [Member]
11/9/2010 3:42:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
Actually, I use 9mm buffers in 2 of my SBR's.


And you'll likely never experience any issues in both semi auto usage.

With that said, if your rifle can function reliably with the use of a 9mm buffer, it can also do so with an H2/H3 buffer, and without the 1% chance of bolt-bounce related issues.


There is no benefit to using a 9mm buffer in a .223/5.56 over an H2/H3.
shadowcop  [Team Member]
11/9/2010 4:24:55 PM EST
I agree. I had the 9mm buffers and gave them a try. They run fine. I have also use H2's in them. I have my 11.5" set up with an H2.
I also use FA carriers.
Striker071  [Member]
11/9/2010 4:31:32 PM EST
Wouldn't it depend on each individual rifle and how it responds to the different buffers?

The different weights helps you tune the rifle to work properly as well as comfortably for each indidvidual user?
jlatx  [Member]
11/9/2010 5:15:25 PM EST
shadowcop  [Team Member]
11/9/2010 5:21:25 PM EST
Heaviest buffer that works reliably is what I was always told. But like everything else in here, it's opinionated.
Python00  [Team Member]
11/9/2010 5:22:31 PM EST
http://vuurwapenblog.com/2010/07/28/ar15function/
HeavyMetal  [Team Member]
11/9/2010 5:24:48 PM EST
MGI Rate Reducing Buffer. Also the most expensive.
USMCMidn  [Member]
11/9/2010 7:44:32 PM EST
Originally Posted By Gregory_K:
Originally Posted By USMCMidn:
So again... anyone hear of this...

http://www.buffertech.com/AR-Restor-Hydraulic-Recoil-Buffer-Carbine-P178.aspx

I know its expensive but in theory it should work better right? ? ?


What kind of scope are you using that you have to worry about the recoil impulse of a .223 cartridge breaking it?
a std or h2 will be just fine. the low mass carriers and buffers from JP work, but require a high level of maintenance for 100% function. these are more for faster splits.

We got guys with years of competition shooting with a Leupold varix-ii line of scope that still hold zero.

Your money may just be better spent on glass than on springs and buffers.


Not really what kind of scope but really tactically speaking... I want my rifle to jump as little as possible, breaks are not an option and silencers are not options either. I was wondering if this would work to help control muzzle rise.

And do buffers reduce the rate of fire on my weapon? If so why?
ZekeMenuar  [Team Member]
11/9/2010 7:56:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By shadowcop:
Heaviest buffer that works reliably is what I was always told. But like everything else in here, it's opinionated.

I tried a couple different weights and settled on 9MM buffers for my carbines.

A put a 9MM buffer with my 16" mid-length and that shoots real smooth also.
Gregory_K  [Team Member]
11/10/2010 2:08:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By USMCMidn:
Originally Posted By Gregory_K:
Originally Posted By USMCMidn:
So again... anyone hear of this...

http://www.buffertech.com/AR-Restor-Hydraulic-Recoil-Buffer-Carbine-P178.aspx

I know its expensive but in theory it should work better right? ? ?


What kind of scope are you using that you have to worry about the recoil impulse of a .223 cartridge breaking it?
a std or h2 will be just fine. the low mass carriers and buffers from JP work, but require a high level of maintenance for 100% function. these are more for faster splits.

We got guys with years of competition shooting with a Leupold varix-ii line of scope that still hold zero.

Your money may just be better spent on glass than on springs and buffers.


Not really what kind of scope but really tactically speaking... I want my rifle to jump as little as possible, breaks are not an option and silencers are not options either. I was wondering if this would work to help control muzzle rise.

And do buffers reduce the rate of fire on my weapon? If so why?


For a semi, Your not going to pull the trigger fast enough. Full auto yes more mass = slower rof. CMP guys use LEAD.

You can tweak a rifle with a buffer spring set up. the USPSA guys love JP low Mass stuff, but it does require a high level of maintance on the rifle and suport items. Search a few 3 gun or comp rifle forms see what they run to keep the muzzel down.
everything has trade offs. I use habrs and comps to help control muzzel jump and run a h2 buffer in a std m16 carrier, if I had a std buffer I'd try it.
psdavi01  [Team Member]
11/10/2010 5:26:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By hellbound:
Originally Posted By psdavi01:
Originally Posted By hellbound:
Originally Posted By psdavi01:
Spikes ST-T2 heavy buffer


can you please cite experience or any type of scientific proof that it's the "best"

all i know is that the ST-T2 that uses tungsten powder that can vary in weight from less than an H buffer to almost an H2 buffer and increases bolt bounce, but hey it's got that spider on it, so it has to be "THE BEST"

these are the tech forums, not the circle jerk opinion forums

the H2 is used in the Mk18 (10.3") and the M4A1 (14.5) and IIRC the canadians found the H2 the best to run in all of their rifles, i've found the H2 to run in my 10.5", 11.5", 14.5" carbines, and in my 18" midlength. there are other folks that have even been running the H2 in their 14.5" midlengths, which is what i plan to do. it's smoother than a standard carbine buffer and the difference between an H and H2 for me has been hard to tell, however i prefer to run the heaviest buffer i have that doesn't cause malfunctions.


Oh yeah I forgot, no "bolt bounce" NONE, nada, 0 and mine weighs exactly 121.902 grams, yeah and the spider is cool too! You are not an arachnophobe are you?




how did you verify no bolt bounce? high speed video cameras?

please post pictures of your scale... i can't believe that your buffer weighs EXACTLY 4.3 ounces out to the thousands of a gram... i think someone just googled "4.3 ounces in grams"


You are right, I meant M16, I am faxing you my DD214.
How do YOU verify "bolt bounce" hearsay?
I am googling scale and I will send you a picture soon, in the mean time I suggest you google "circle jerk" and quit hating the spider.



Gregory_K  [Team Member]
11/10/2010 7:13:00 AM EST
.000 place in grams requires a rather spensieve scale to measure. Simple AC Draft will throw them off. never mind someone walking.

That was what he was getting at.
AR15fan  [Team Member]
11/10/2010 11:34:41 AM EST


Thanks.


FWIW i'm using standard Carbine buffers in 16" guns and 9mm buffers in 14.5 inch guns. I would try others except i find it crazy that a H2 is nearly three times as expensive as a Carbine buffer.
FMJ  [Team Member]
11/10/2010 12:26:00 PM EST


My 14.5 M4 can run on any buffer . standard to 9mm



BOLT BOUNCE?? Hoe does one test this?
I would think a Machine rest would be must??
shadowcop  [Team Member]
11/10/2010 2:19:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By AR15fan:


Thanks.


FWIW i'm using standard Carbine buffers in 16" guns and 9mm buffers in 14.5 inch guns. I would try others except i find it crazy that a H2 is nearly three times as expensive as a Carbine buffer.


Exactly

HeavyMetal  [Team Member]
11/10/2010 3:15:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By psdavi01:
Originally Posted By hellbound:
Originally Posted By psdavi01:
Originally Posted By hellbound:
Originally Posted By psdavi01:
Spikes ST-T2 heavy buffer


can you please cite experience or any type of scientific proof that it's the "best"

all i know is that the ST-T2 that uses tungsten powder that can vary in weight from less than an H buffer to almost an H2 buffer and increases bolt bounce, but hey it's got that spider on it, so it has to be "THE BEST"

these are the tech forums, not the circle jerk opinion forums

the H2 is used in the Mk18 (10.3") and the M4A1 (14.5) and IIRC the canadians found the H2 the best to run in all of their rifles, i've found the H2 to run in my 10.5", 11.5", 14.5" carbines, and in my 18" midlength. there are other folks that have even been running the H2 in their 14.5" midlengths, which is what i plan to do. it's smoother than a standard carbine buffer and the difference between an H and H2 for me has been hard to tell, however i prefer to run the heaviest buffer i have that doesn't cause malfunctions.


Oh yeah I forgot, no "bolt bounce" NONE, nada, 0 and mine weighs exactly 121.902 grams, yeah and the spider is cool too! You are not an arachnophobe are you?




how did you verify no bolt bounce? high speed video cameras?

please post pictures of your scale... i can't believe that your buffer weighs EXACTLY 4.3 ounces out to the thousands of a gram... i think someone just googled "4.3 ounces in grams"


You are right, I meant M16, I am faxing you my DD214.
How do YOU verify "bolt bounce" hearsay?
I am googling scale and I will send you a picture soon, in the mean time I suggest you google "circle jerk" and quit hating the spider.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=575Q0O41u5s&feature=related

You can see bolt bounce demonstrated in thtat video. The Spikes T2 exhibits more bounce than the lighter H1 Carbine buffer with the segmented weights.

Raizo_Sekai  [Member]
11/10/2010 4:01:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:
Originally Posted By psdavi01:
Originally Posted By hellbound:
Originally Posted By psdavi01:
Originally Posted By hellbound:
Originally Posted By psdavi01:
Spikes ST-T2 heavy buffer


can you please cite experience or any type of scientific proof that it's the "best"

all i know is that the ST-T2 that uses tungsten powder that can vary in weight from less than an H buffer to almost an H2 buffer and increases bolt bounce, but hey it's got that spider on it, so it has to be "THE BEST"

these are the tech forums, not the circle jerk opinion forums

the H2 is used in the Mk18 (10.3") and the M4A1 (14.5) and IIRC the canadians found the H2 the best to run in all of their rifles, i've found the H2 to run in my 10.5", 11.5", 14.5" carbines, and in my 18" midlength. there are other folks that have even been running the H2 in their 14.5" midlengths, which is what i plan to do. it's smoother than a standard carbine buffer and the difference between an H and H2 for me has been hard to tell, however i prefer to run the heaviest buffer i have that doesn't cause malfunctions.


Oh yeah I forgot, no "bolt bounce" NONE, nada, 0 and mine weighs exactly 121.902 grams, yeah and the spider is cool too! You are not an arachnophobe are you?




how did you verify no bolt bounce? high speed video cameras?

please post pictures of your scale... i can't believe that your buffer weighs EXACTLY 4.3 ounces out to the thousands of a gram... i think someone just googled "4.3 ounces in grams"


You are right, I meant M16, I am faxing you my DD214.
How do YOU verify "bolt bounce" hearsay?
I am googling scale and I will send you a picture soon, in the mean time I suggest you google "circle jerk" and quit hating the spider.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=575Q0O41u5s&feature=related

You can see bolt bounce demonstrated in thtat video. The Spikes T2 exhibits more bounce than the lighter H1 Carbine buffer with the segmented weights.



I didnt see that, but the rifle buffer had the least amount of bounce.
BSWilson  [Member]
11/10/2010 4:23:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
Originally Posted By AR15fan:


Thanks.


FWIW i'm using standard Carbine buffers in 16" guns and 9mm buffers in 14.5 inch guns. I would try others except i find it crazy that a H2 is nearly three times as expensive as a Carbine buffer.


Exactly



A $25 buffer is about 2% of the cost of a $1200 rifle. Stop skimping and get the best part for the job.
AR15fan  [Team Member]
11/10/2010 6:39:42 PM EST
Originally Posted By BSWilson:
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
Originally Posted By AR15fan:


Thanks.


FWIW i'm using standard Carbine buffers in 16" guns and 9mm buffers in 14.5 inch guns. I would try others except i find it crazy that a H2 is nearly three times as expensive as a Carbine buffer.


Exactly



A $25 buffer is about 2% of the cost of a $1200 rifle. Stop skimping and get the best part for the job.


Where is the cheapest place to get them?

Brownells wants $36.03 for Colt H2. DSG wants $26.50 for a no-brand/generic H2. both are discounted LE pricing. I'd need about 15 of them.
BSWilson  [Member]
11/10/2010 6:50:24 PM EST
BravoCompanyUSA.

I was mistaken, they're now $29. I seem to recall them being cheaper.
votefromrooftops  [Team Member]
11/11/2010 6:20:54 AM EST
i've had very good success with the Spikes T2 buffers in all my rifles so far, i did play around with buffer weights and found these worked very well with a wide range of ammo
shadowcop  [Team Member]
11/11/2010 9:19:32 AM EST
Those are good prices for an H2 IMO
REARSPROCKET  [Member]
11/11/2010 10:36:15 AM EST
You can make your own H2 if you have two H1s it's very easy.
yekimak  [Team Member]
11/11/2010 10:57:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=575Q0O41u5s&feature=related

You can see bolt bounce demonstrated in thtat video. The Spikes T2 exhibits more bounce than the lighter H1 Carbine buffer with the segmented weights.



They looked about the same to me, but the one that got me was the 9mm bouncing even more than either. And the way the BCM hadly bounced at all.

shadowcop  [Team Member]
11/11/2010 11:22:39 AM EST
Obviously I can't watch mine to see bolt bounce but both SBR's run 100% with Colt 9mm buffers and are pretty smooth feeling.
yekimak  [Team Member]
11/11/2010 11:35:57 AM EST
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
Obviously I can't watch mine to see bolt bounce but both SBR's run 100% with Colt 9mm buffers and are pretty smooth feeling.


I use the ST-T2's and they feel damn smooth as well, but now I am questioning them. I guess the question now is how much should bolt bounce be factored in as a consideration? Feed and function are priority of course.

Is it really a weight issue or a timing issue? Maybe the weight is not so much a concern as when it impacts. How does one quanitfy that?
Gregory_K  [Team Member]
11/11/2010 12:20:32 PM EST
Originally Posted By yekimak:
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
Obviously I can't watch mine to see bolt bounce but both SBR's run 100% with Colt 9mm buffers and are pretty smooth feeling.


I use the ST-T2's and they feel damn smooth as well, but now I am questioning them. I guess the question now is how much should bolt bounce be factored in as a consideration? Feed and function are priority of course.

Is it really a weight issue or a timing issue? Maybe the weight is not so much a concern as when it impacts. How does one quanitfy that?


Are you having any problems now?
yekimak  [Team Member]
11/11/2010 12:31:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By Gregory_K:
Originally Posted By yekimak:
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
Obviously I can't watch mine to see bolt bounce but both SBR's run 100% with Colt 9mm buffers and are pretty smooth feeling.


I use the ST-T2's and they feel damn smooth as well, but now I am questioning them. I guess the question now is how much should bolt bounce be factored in as a consideration? Feed and function are priority of course.

Is it really a weight issue or a timing issue? Maybe the weight is not so much a concern as when it impacts. How does one quanitfy that?


Are you having any problems now?


Not having any issues that I know I can attribute to the buffer in semi or FA, but I never had issues with carbine buffers that I know of either.
VictorUnit  [Member]
11/11/2010 1:05:40 PM EST
well we all owe 87GN for his work .

what I take away is the weight is not the sole factor its the delayed impact of the segmented weights that does the trick
[ as seen from heavy 9mm having the most bounce]

also the rifle buffer with segmented weights does best.
I would extrapolate that to mean H3 > H2 >H1.

of course ammo selection and gas system length are the variables to consider.
FrankSL  [Team Member]
11/11/2010 1:32:57 PM EST
In a carbine length gas system, generally you can't go wrong with an extra heavy buffer and spring.

Bolt bounce, IMHO, is not that big a big deal. Mike Pannone is one of the most experienced and knowledgeable AR guys on the planet and he helped develop this:

http://www.bhigear.com/bhienhancedm4sopmodboltupgradekit.aspx


DvlDog  [Member]
11/11/2010 2:20:52 PM EST
I picked up some Colt 9mm buffers a couple of years ago for something rediculous like $15 each. I have had great luck with them especially when paired with a larue buffer spring. When I tried this combo in my midlength gun I get some short stroking with Wolf ammo but it runs great with anything hotter. Next time I go to the range with the middie I am going to step down to an LMT H1 buffer. My thinking is that the mid length gas along with the heavier larue spring might be the right combo for that gun.

For carbine gas I think the 9mm is the ticket.
REARSPROCKET  [Member]
11/12/2010 12:32:04 PM EST
After reading all this I'm thinking a Blue Sprinco buffer spring and an H2 buffer might be the ticket with a 16" carbine length gas system?
VashTheStampede  [Member]
11/14/2010 5:51:31 PM EST
Any data for the enidine.
HeavyMetal  [Team Member]
11/14/2010 5:59:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By VashTheStampede:
Any data for the enidine.


What I hear is they break easily. Do not want.
Evildude87  [Member]
11/15/2010 12:27:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:
Originally Posted By VashTheStampede:
Any data for the enidine.


What I hear is they break easily. Do not want.


I've been running my enidine for 1600+ rounds so far and I have not had any problems. I'm running it in a 14.5" barrel with a perm. phantom flash supp. and a carbine gas system.
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