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huudoo  [Member]
8/19/2010 12:08:17 PM
sorry if this has been ask , what company makes a mil spec ar15
and or milspec parts
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altopwescap  [Member]
8/19/2010 1:50:53 PM
Yes the question is asked "ad nauseum".

Colt
Sabre Defense
Bravo Company USA
Spikes Tactical
to mention a few
yarbsea  [Member]
8/19/2010 2:26:47 PM
Originally Posted By huudoo:
sorry if this has been ask , what company makes a mil spec ar15
and or milspec parts


Do you even know what "milspec" means?

You could buy some random crap that is LESS than milspec and be horribly wronged...

or you could buy something that is much BETTER than milspec and be seriously happy.

BUT both are NOT milspec per say...but one is good and the other is bad....make sure you know what you are asking about. milspec is just a list of minimum specifications really...i wouldn't worry about it at all.
Joe_Sakic  [Member]
8/19/2010 2:40:50 PM
Originally Posted By huudoo:
sorry if this has been ask , what company makes a mil spec ar15
and or milspec parts


Click here

Cheers,

Sakic #19
TANGOCHASER  [Team Member]
8/19/2010 2:47:13 PM
NOOOO! Not "THE CHART"!
kmanoni  [Team Member]
8/19/2010 2:51:03 PM
Hesse, Vulcan, Blackthorn ... etc.


j/k
G22  [Team Member]
8/19/2010 3:04:13 PM
Norinco.
Papi4baby  [Member]
8/19/2010 3:19:37 PM
No such thing exist.

There are many companies that claimed they do. But nope, sorry.
ziarifleman  [Team Member]
8/19/2010 3:22:51 PM
Only the ones with the pin hole above the selector are mil spec.
G22  [Team Member]
8/19/2010 3:23:50 PM
joy joy switch
huudoo  [Member]
8/19/2010 6:46:03 PM
ok, thanks for the info
mtdawg169  [Member]
8/19/2010 9:51:15 PM
First, be careful of any manufacturer who uses the term mil-spec without telling you exactly how they conform to the Techical Data Package (TDP). I think the only companies out there right now who comply 100% are Colt and Bravo Company. Bravo Co. will save you some $$ over the Colt and they make a damn fine weapon.
CTbuilder1  [Team Member]
8/19/2010 10:40:41 PM
Originally Posted By mtdawg169:
First, be careful of any manufacturer who uses the term mil-spec without telling you exactly how they conform to the Techical Data Package (TDP). I think the only companies out there right now who comply 100% are Colt and Bravo Company. Bravo Co. will save you some $$ over the Colt and they make a damn fine weapon.


Neither one complies 100% with the TDP for semi-auto AR15s. The TDP is for M16s and M4s. Colt owns the TDP and it's AR15s come as close as possible in a semi auto AR. BCM is right up there as well. There are a few other companies that are close. There are a few that exceed in some areas.
David77833  [Member]
8/19/2010 10:46:36 PM
Colt and FN.

Go with BCM.
AZ-AR15  [Team Member]
8/20/2010 9:24:57 AM
Daniel Defense
Papi4baby  [Member]
8/20/2010 9:45:51 AM
The closest you can get, is a Colt LE6921.

1- No happy switch.
2- Will need a stamp.
iiibdsiil  [Team Member]
8/20/2010 9:55:31 AM
If you don't want to be forever told how wrong your purchase was, you better buy a Colt.
TonyAngel  [Member]
8/20/2010 12:23:41 PM
Or you can just not listen.
mryuck  [Team Member]
8/20/2010 1:58:45 PM
Search function?
warpig8654  [Team Member]
8/20/2010 2:10:17 PM
Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
Only the ones with the pin hole above the selector that are made for the mil are mil spec.


Fixed.
RabidMonkeyPox  [Member]
8/20/2010 4:48:02 PM
Colt and FN are the true mil-spec
Colddeadhands61  [Member]
8/20/2010 6:26:55 PM
Mil-Spec is a generic term, like racist,or rock and roll.
woode  [Member]
8/21/2010 8:36:20 AM
I think the word mil-spec should be banned from this website. It is tossed around way too often in the wrong manner.. I like this analogy:

Shit on a stick: not mil spec

MRE: mil spec.

Home cooked meal: not mil spec


Does everyone go around eating MREs because they are the best? No.
Maineyack  [Member]
8/21/2010 8:56:27 AM
Originally Posted By woode:
I think the word mil-spec should be banned from this website. It is tossed around way too often in the wrong manner.. I like this analogy:

Shit on a stick: not mil spec

MRE: mil spec.

Home cooked meal: not mil spec


Does everyone go around eating MREs because they are the best? No.




CTbuilder1  [Team Member]
8/21/2010 9:27:03 AM
Originally Posted By woode:
I think the word mil-spec should be banned from this website. It is tossed around way too often in the wrong manner.. I like this analogy:

Shit on a stick: not mil spec

MRE: mil spec.

Home cooked meal: not mil spec


Does everyone go around eating MREs because they are the best? No.


You are using the analogy wrong. When talking about AR15s the milspecs are the minimum specs to follow. Yet the bulk of manufacturers on the market don't even meet that minimum, very few exceed those minimums and usually only do so in one or two areas. What's more important than the milspecs is the TDP - the actual specs that M4/M16s are built to. You can make the MRE = milspec argument all day long and you'll get plenty of the bottom shelf rifle shooters to go along with you, but the analogy is worth nothing.
87GN  [Team Member]
8/21/2010 9:46:38 AM

Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By woode:
I think the word mil-spec should be banned from this website. It is tossed around way too often in the wrong manner.. I like this analogy:

Shit on a stick: not mil spec

MRE: mil spec.

Home cooked meal: not mil spec


Does everyone go around eating MREs because they are the best? No.


You are using the analogy wrong. When talking about AR15s the milspecs are the minimum specs to follow. Yet the bulk of manufacturers on the market don't even meet that minimum, very few exceed those minimums and usually only do so in one or two areas. What's more important than the milspecs is the TDP - the actual specs that M4/M16s are built to. You can make the MRE = milspec argument all day long and you'll get plenty of the bottom shelf rifle shooters to go along with you, but the analogy is worth nothing.

Someone posted an article about MRE recipes in GD recently...it was enlightening.

http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/document-friday-the-militarys-26-page-brownie-recipe/

One thing we like to say is, ‘What would happen if you cooked a meal, stored it in a stifling hot warehouse, dropped it out of an airplane, dragged it through the mud, left it out with bugs and vermin, and ate it three years later?’

I love home cooking, but I don't think a casserole would taste too good after that.

Maineyack  [Member]
8/21/2010 9:58:05 AM
Ooooo, "bottom shelf rifle shooters..."

You guys have no sense of humor.
CTbuilder1  [Team Member]
8/21/2010 4:03:12 PM
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Ooooo, "bottom shelf rifle shooters..."

You guys have no sense of humor.


I have a great sense of humor. I have a low tolerance for BS.
Maineyack  [Member]
8/21/2010 4:08:03 PM
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Ooooo, "bottom shelf rifle shooters..."

You guys have no sense of humor.


I have a great sense of humor. I have a low tolerance for BS.


From what I've seen around here you're all BS.

huudoo  [Member]
8/21/2010 6:20:41 PM
ok then , let's see

what internal parts would be best in mil-spec

BCG , what else

i don't hear many bad reports of parts breaking in
standard makers like

RRA -DS -Bushmaster- ER Shaw Barrels ect..

thanks
CTbuilder1  [Team Member]
8/21/2010 7:21:07 PM
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Ooooo, "bottom shelf rifle shooters..."

You guys have no sense of humor.


I have a great sense of humor. I have a low tolerance for BS.


From what I've seen around here you're all BS.



Yes, you're a great asset to this site
Maineyack  [Member]
8/21/2010 7:51:36 PM
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Ooooo, "bottom shelf rifle shooters..."

You guys have no sense of humor.


I have a great sense of humor. I have a low tolerance for BS.


From what I've seen around here you're all BS.



Yes, you're a great asset to this site


Quite true. And I often get thanked for my input and assistance.

How often do you get thanked for your 11814 snide remarks?

How many times do we all have to hear you say that "Colt is the only owner of the TDP?"

Or how many thousands of times have we all heard that "not all parts are created equal?"
CTbuilder1  [Team Member]
8/21/2010 8:38:19 PM
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Ooooo, "bottom shelf rifle shooters..."

You guys have no sense of humor.


I have a great sense of humor. I have a low tolerance for BS.


From what I've seen around here you're all BS.



Yes, you're a great asset to this site


Quite true. And I often get thanked for my input and assistance.

How often do you get thanked for your 11814 snide remarks?

How many times do we all have to hear you say that "Colt is the only owner of the TDP?"

Or how many thousands of times have we all heard that "not all parts are created equal?"


I say what's true. You just don't like to hear it. You'd rather spread or let bad info go unchecked/ Sorry I refuse to recommend or stand by while others recommend shit products or repeat fiction. If you think all my posts on this site are snide remarks than you're full of shit. If you think you've contributed better information here than I have you are delusional.
Maineyack  [Member]
8/21/2010 9:41:03 PM
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Ooooo, "bottom shelf rifle shooters..."

You guys have no sense of humor.


I have a great sense of humor. I have a low tolerance for BS.


From what I've seen around here you're all BS.



Yes, you're a great asset to this site


Quite true. And I often get thanked for my input and assistance.

How often do you get thanked for your 11814 snide remarks?

How many times do we all have to hear you say that "Colt is the only owner of the TDP?"

Or how many thousands of times have we all heard that "not all parts are created equal?"


I say what's true. You just don't like to hear it. You'd rather spread or let bad info go unchecked/ Sorry I refuse to recommend or stand by while others recommend shit products or repeat fiction. If you think all my posts on this site are snide remarks than you're full of shit. If you think you've contributed better information here than I have you are delusional.


You just keep on makin' my point.

Usually I'm with most other members and just ignore you.

Tonight I've gone round and round with you after your first insulting remarks started this.

Now I'll go back to ignoring you again.

Peace out.
CTbuilder1  [Team Member]
8/21/2010 11:52:17 PM
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Ooooo, "bottom shelf rifle shooters..."

You guys have no sense of humor.


I have a great sense of humor. I have a low tolerance for BS.


From what I've seen around here you're all BS.



Yes, you're a great asset to this site


Quite true. And I often get thanked for my input and assistance.

How often do you get thanked for your 11814 snide remarks?

How many times do we all have to hear you say that "Colt is the only owner of the TDP?"

Or how many thousands of times have we all heard that "not all parts are created equal?"


I say what's true. You just don't like to hear it. You'd rather spread or let bad info go unchecked/ Sorry I refuse to recommend or stand by while others recommend shit products or repeat fiction. If you think all my posts on this site are snide remarks than you're full of shit. If you think you've contributed better information here than I have you are delusional.


You just keep on makin' my point.

Usually I'm with most other members and just ignore you.

Tonight I've gone round and round with you after your first insulting remarks started this.

Now I'll go back to ignoring you again.

Peace out.


I'm hurt.....

What's funny is your the one who decided to quote me. I never addressed any of your comments until you decided to say something to me.
87GN  [Team Member]
8/22/2010 12:35:40 AM


Originally Posted By huudoo:
ok then , let's see

what internal parts would be best in mil-spec

BCG , what else

i don't hear many bad reports of parts breaking in
standard makers like

RRA -DS -Bushmaster- ER Shaw Barrels ect..

thanks

BCG - Colt, BCM, LMT, DD, Spikes. If there's one part you should absolutely not cheap out on, it's the BCG.

Not a whole lot of high volume/short time span shooters who buy the parts you mentioned...

If you don't need or want components made to a certain quality level, don't buy them (and don't feel bad about not buying them). If you want a part that's close to mil spec, you won't find one amongst those brands. Buy whatever you want, though.



Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Ooooo, "bottom shelf rifle shooters..."

You guys have no sense of humor.


I have a great sense of humor. I have a low tolerance for BS.


From what I've seen around here you're all BS.



Yes, you're a great asset to this site


Quite true. And I often get thanked for my input and assistance.

How often do you get thanked for your 11814 snide remarks?

How many times do we all have to hear you say that "Colt is the only owner of the TDP?"

Or how many thousands of times have we all heard that "not all parts are created equal?"

People thank everyone who responds to a thread, and you think they're thanking you in particular.

People make comments not directed at you, and you think they're attacking you.
warpig8654  [Team Member]
8/22/2010 10:38:54 AM
Originally Posted By 87GN:


Originally Posted By huudoo:
ok then , let's see

what internal parts would be best in mil-spec

BCG , what else

i don't hear many bad reports of parts breaking in
standard makers like

RRA -DS -Bushmaster- ER Shaw Barrels ect..

thanks

BCG - Colt, BCM, LMT, DD, Spikes. If there's one part you should absolutely not cheap out on, it's the BCG.

Not a whole lot of high volume/short time span shooters who buy the parts you mentioned...

If you don't need or want components made to a certain quality level, don't buy them (and don't feel bad about not buying them). If you want a part that's close to mil spec, you won't find one amongst those brands. Buy whatever you want, though.



Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By Maineyack:
Ooooo, "bottom shelf rifle shooters..."

You guys have no sense of humor.


I have a great sense of humor. I have a low tolerance for BS.


From what I've seen around here you're all BS.



Yes, you're a great asset to this site


Quite true. And I often get thanked for my input and assistance.

How often do you get thanked for your 11814 snide remarks?

How many times do we all have to hear you say that "Colt is the only owner of the TDP?"

Or how many thousands of times have we all heard that "not all parts are created equal?"

People thank everyone who responds to a thread, and you think they're thanking you in particular.

People make comments not directed at you, and you think they're attacking you.


Not to mention he has an inferiority complex. If anyone mentions a crap brand he is the first to respond with a sarcastic remark about we're not supposed to like such & such.
Airforcewes  [Member]
8/22/2010 5:46:23 PM
CMMG
CTbuilder1  [Team Member]
8/22/2010 6:01:04 PM
Originally Posted By Airforcewes:
CMMG


Uh, no
Airforcewes  [Member]
8/22/2010 10:58:46 PM
Uh, yes. They make their uppers, lowers, and barrels, to mil specs. Not sure about their BCGs but they offer mil spec uppers, lowers, complete barrels, etc... go do some research before acting like a prick.
CTbuilder1  [Team Member]
8/22/2010 11:22:59 PM
Originally Posted By Airforcewes:
Uh, yes. They make their uppers, lowers, and barrels, to mil specs. Not sure about their BCGs but they offer mil spec uppers, lowers, complete barrels, etc... go do some research before acting like a prick.


There uppers/ barrels are close. BCGs - no way. Lowers? Not unless they are drilled for that extra hole and have a 3 position selector.

CMMG doesn't build to the same standard of Colt and BCM.
warpig8654  [Team Member]
8/23/2010 9:24:32 AM
Originally Posted By Airforcewes:
Uh, yes. They make their uppers, lowers, and barrels, to mil specs. Not sure about their BCGs but they offer mil spec uppers, lowers, complete barrels, etc... go do some research before acting like a prick.


Um, no, they don't if you're still talking about CMMG.
STJ  [Team Member]
8/24/2010 10:24:22 PM
Originally Posted By Airforcewes:
CMMG


Seasoned_Salt  [Member]
8/25/2010 4:20:27 PM
Originally Posted By G22:
Norinco.


Real deal Holyfield
mtdawg169  [Member]
8/26/2010 10:29:07 PM
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By mtdawg169:
First, be careful of any manufacturer who uses the term mil-spec without telling you exactly how they conform to the Techical Data Package (TDP). I think the only companies out there right now who comply 100% are Colt and Bravo Company. Bravo Co. will save you some $$ over the Colt and they make a damn fine weapon.


Neither one complies 100% with the TDP for semi-auto AR15s. The TDP is for M16s and M4s. Colt owns the TDP and it's AR15s come as close as possible in a semi auto AR. BCM is right up there as well. There are a few other companies that are close. There are a few that exceed in some areas.


Aside from not having an auto sear, where specifically does a Colt or BCM semi-auto AR15 fall short of the TDP? My question is truly one of curiosity, I'm not trying to join into the "whose is longer" discussion above.

CTbuilder1  [Team Member]
8/27/2010 9:21:20 AM
Originally Posted By mtdawg169:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By mtdawg169:
First, be careful of any manufacturer who uses the term mil-spec without telling you exactly how they conform to the Techical Data Package (TDP). I think the only companies out there right now who comply 100% are Colt and Bravo Company. Bravo Co. will save you some $$ over the Colt and they make a damn fine weapon.


Neither one complies 100% with the TDP for semi-auto AR15s. The TDP is for M16s and M4s. Colt owns the TDP and it's AR15s come as close as possible in a semi auto AR. BCM is right up there as well. There are a few other companies that are close. There are a few that exceed in some areas.


Aside from not having an auto sear, where specifically does a Colt or BCM semi-auto AR15 fall short of the TDP? My question is truly one of curiosity, I'm not trying to join into the "whose is longer" discussion above.



Depends on the model. On the popular Colt 6920 the barrel length of 16", the lower reciver and the FCG are all different from a full out USGI M4. The standards are the same, the configuration is different.

Lets take the BCM Middy for example. Barrel legnth, gas system, lower and FCG. Maybe a few other minor things considering they do not have acess to Colt IP.

Either way, both those guns are still built using the same materials, same assembly methods, same testing, etc. The only thing that changes is the configuration, not the standard they are built to.
mtdawg169  [Member]
8/27/2010 10:34:30 PM
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By mtdawg169:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By mtdawg169:
First, be careful of any manufacturer who uses the term mil-spec without telling you exactly how they conform to the Techical Data Package (TDP). I think the only companies out there right now who comply 100% are Colt and Bravo Company. Bravo Co. will save you some $$ over the Colt and they make a damn fine weapon.


Neither one complies 100% with the TDP for semi-auto AR15s. The TDP is for M16s and M4s. Colt owns the TDP and it's AR15s come as close as possible in a semi auto AR. BCM is right up there as well. There are a few other companies that are close. There are a few that exceed in some areas.


Aside from not having an auto sear, where specifically does a Colt or BCM semi-auto AR15 fall short of the TDP? My question is truly one of curiosity, I'm not trying to join into the "whose is longer" discussion above.



Depends on the model. On the popular Colt 6920 the barrel length of 16", the lower reciver and the FCG are all different from a full out USGI M4. The standards are the same, the configuration is different.

Lets take the BCM Middy for example. Barrel legnth, gas system, lower and FCG. Maybe a few other minor things considering they do not have acess to Colt IP.

Either way, both those guns are still built using the same materials, same assembly methods, same testing, etc. The only thing that changes is the configuration, not the standard they are built to.


OK, I get that. But if you're talking about 14.5" M4 profile rifles from Colt or BCM, all we're really talking about are the parts omitted due to legality, right? Basically the only difference is an extra hole in the lower, the auto sear and FCG to go with it. From a civilian perspective, either of these are as close as it gets to a mil-spec rifle, at least in any of the ways that matter. I.E. material, assembly, testing, etc. Maybe I'm missing something, but if someone asks who builds a mil-spec rifle, why do people around here become so damn sarcastic? It seems an easy enough question to answer to me, especially considering the number of companies that claim to be mil-spec vs. the few that actually are. I understand that the term "mil-spec" is overused and the question gets asked 15 times a day, but what has turned into a two page thread and partial pissing match by some users could have been answered with two words, Colt & BCM. I really think that when someone comes here and asks a question like this, they are referring to quality of materials and build, not who offers a rifle with a happy switch.

CT, this is not directed at you, but more of a general observation about this thread.
maleante  [Member]
8/28/2010 1:36:13 AM
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By woode:
I think the word mil-spec should be banned from this website. It is tossed around way too often in the wrong manner.. I like this analogy:

Shit on a stick: not mil spec

MRE: mil spec.

Home cooked meal: not mil spec


Does everyone go around eating MREs because they are the best? No.


You are using the analogy wrong. When talking about AR15s the milspecs are the minimum specs to follow. Yet the bulk of manufacturers on the market don't even meet that minimum, very few exceed those minimums and usually only do so in one or two areas. What's more important than the milspecs is the TDP - the actual specs that M4/M16s are built to. You can make the MRE = milspec argument all day long and you'll get plenty of the bottom shelf rifle shooters to go along with you, but the analogy is worth nothing.


Yet 99% of all those manufacturers will advertise as mil-spec OR infer that their parts are mil-spec, whether or not they are mil-spec...
maleante  [Member]
8/28/2010 1:47:33 AM
Originally Posted By mtdawg169:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By mtdawg169:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By mtdawg169:
First, be careful of any manufacturer who uses the term mil-spec without telling you exactly how they conform to the Techical Data Package (TDP). I think the only companies out there right now who comply 100% are Colt and Bravo Company. Bravo Co. will save you some $$ over the Colt and they make a damn fine weapon.


Neither one complies 100% with the TDP for semi-auto AR15s. The TDP is for M16s and M4s. Colt owns the TDP and it's AR15s come as close as possible in a semi auto AR. BCM is right up there as well. There are a few other companies that are close. There are a few that exceed in some areas.


Aside from not having an auto sear, where specifically does a Colt or BCM semi-auto AR15 fall short of the TDP? My question is truly one of curiosity, I'm not trying to join into the "whose is longer" discussion above.



Depends on the model. On the popular Colt 6920 the barrel length of 16", the lower reciver and the FCG are all different from a full out USGI M4. The standards are the same, the configuration is different.

Lets take the BCM Middy for example. Barrel legnth, gas system, lower and FCG. Maybe a few other minor things considering they do not have acess to Colt IP.

Either way, both those guns are still built using the same materials, same assembly methods, same testing, etc. The only thing that changes is the configuration, not the standard they are built to.


OK, I get that. But if you're talking about 14.5" M4 profile rifles from Colt or BCM, all we're really talking about are the parts omitted due to legality, right? Basically the only difference is an extra hole in the lower, the auto sear and FCG to go with it. From a civilian perspective, either of these are as close as it gets to a mil-spec rifle, at least in any of the ways that matter. I.E. material, assembly, testing, etc. Maybe I'm missing something, but if someone asks who builds a mil-spec rifle, why do people around here become so damn sarcastic? It seems an easy enough question to answer to me, especially considering the number of companies that claim to be mil-spec vs. the few that actually are. I understand that the term "mil-spec" is overused and the question gets asked 15 times a day, but what has turned into a two page thread and partial pissing match by some users could have been answered with two words, Colt & BCM. I really think that when someone comes here and asks a question like this, they are referring to quality of materials and build, not who offers a rifle with a happy switch.

CT, this is not directed at you, but more of a general observation about this thread.


OK, I get that. But if you're talking about 14.5" M4 profile rifles from Colt or BCM, all we're really talking about are the parts omitted due to legality, right?
No. the TDP is the TDP. The TDP is milspec, therefore milspec is the TDP... Whoever holds the TDP can honestly claim to make milspec parts. Whether or not a company can MANUFACTURE ON THEIR OWN (not buy from others, as is the case in spikes tactical which was listed in the beg. of this thread) parts which exceed the TDP is not the question.

The question was who makes a milspec rifle. The answer is only: the company who holds the TDP. Granted that the rifle produced for you and I is not truly milspec as CT noted above.

If the question were who makes a decent rifle, the answer could be ANY company.

If the question were who makes a rifle with quality exceeding milspec, the answer will include a select few companies.
maleante  [Member]
8/28/2010 1:52:26 AM
Originally Posted By huudoo:
ok then , let's see

what internal parts would be best in mil-spec

BCG , what else

i don't hear many bad reports of parts breaking in
standard makers like

RRA -DS -Bushmaster- ER Shaw Barrels ect..

thanks


Rereading this thread will clear up a lot of your confusion. Pay attention to what 87GN said about high volume / short time period...
CTbuilder1  [Team Member]
8/28/2010 10:14:04 AM
Originally Posted By mtdawg169:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By mtdawg169:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By mtdawg169:
First, be careful of any manufacturer who uses the term mil-spec without telling you exactly how they conform to the Techical Data Package (TDP). I think the only companies out there right now who comply 100% are Colt and Bravo Company. Bravo Co. will save you some $$ over the Colt and they make a damn fine weapon.


Neither one complies 100% with the TDP for semi-auto AR15s. The TDP is for M16s and M4s. Colt owns the TDP and it's AR15s come as close as possible in a semi auto AR. BCM is right up there as well. There are a few other companies that are close. There are a few that exceed in some areas.


Aside from not having an auto sear, where specifically does a Colt or BCM semi-auto AR15 fall short of the TDP? My question is truly one of curiosity, I'm not trying to join into the "whose is longer" discussion above.



Depends on the model. On the popular Colt 6920 the barrel length of 16", the lower reciver and the FCG are all different from a full out USGI M4. The standards are the same, the configuration is different.

Lets take the BCM Middy for example. Barrel legnth, gas system, lower and FCG. Maybe a few other minor things considering they do not have acess to Colt IP.

Either way, both those guns are still built using the same materials, same assembly methods, same testing, etc. The only thing that changes is the configuration, not the standard they are built to.


OK, I get that. But if you're talking about 14.5" M4 profile rifles from Colt or BCM, all we're really talking about are the parts omitted due to legality, right? Basically the only difference is an extra hole in the lower, the auto sear and FCG to go with it. From a civilian perspective, either of these are as close as it gets to a mil-spec rifle, at least in any of the ways that matter. I.E. material, assembly, testing, etc. Maybe I'm missing something, but if someone asks who builds a mil-spec rifle, why do people around here become so damn sarcastic? It seems an easy enough question to answer to me, especially considering the number of companies that claim to be mil-spec vs. the few that actually are. I understand that the term "mil-spec" is overused and the question gets asked 15 times a day, but what has turned into a two page thread and partial pissing match by some users could have been answered with two words, Colt & BCM. I really think that when someone comes here and asks a question like this, they are referring to quality of materials and build, not who offers a rifle with a happy switch.

CT, this is not directed at you, but more of a general observation about this thread.



The thing is you are much better off asking who builds to a standard. Because milspec and TDP are very specific. Most people aren't buying a 14.5" carbine. They are buying a 16" Carbine, or a 16" Middy or a 20" rifle or a 16" HBAR or a 16" Lightweight, etc, etc. In that case there are only going to be a few cases where something lines up with the TDP. So the more important answwer is whether or not the particular brand and configuration is built to a standard. Whether or not the materials used are up to par and the testing is up to par and the compnay is not just slapping together rifles with whatever questionable parts it can source. There are a few companies who do this, there are more than a few that don't.
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