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 Best Match ar15 trigger for the money?
garrettm  [Member]
8/10/2009 3:10:19 PM
I have a heavy barrel target/tactical setup AR and it has a two-stage trigger in, but recently it has started "slipping" and doesn't even have two stages. Just one long continuous pull until it fires. I have almost no experience with triggers, So is there a way to fix this? Or would it be better to just put in a a new, nicer trigger? If so, would a Single Stage or a Two Stage trigger be better for target/varmint shooting?
I ran into this one one the web, http://www.jardinc.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12:ar-15-single-stage&catid=18:ar-15-single-stage&Itemid=6. Or should I buy a RRA NM two stage trigger? What would be another nice crisp trigger for around this price range?
Thanks for your help.
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RDTCU  [Member]
8/10/2009 3:18:44 PM
3# Timney's are nice and are $200. Have one in my .308, never the first problem.
Self contained, nothing to screw up.

ETA: They are all single stage with very little take-up, which i like (personal preference).
garrettm  [Member]
8/10/2009 3:40:52 PM
How much take up is "very little"? I love the trigger on my Remington 700 and it has no creep on it at all. you just apply the determined amount of pressure and it breaks with no creep. Is there a single stage ar15 trigger that would do the same thing?
jgttrey  [Member]
8/10/2009 3:47:12 PM
JP. I have a couple and they are excellent single stage triggers. For one build I had Bill Springfield work over a milspec trigger. For $35, the results were incredible. In anything but a dedicated paper puncher, I'd just have Bill work the trigger.
RDTCU  [Member]
8/10/2009 3:52:00 PM
Originally Posted By garrettm:
How much take up is "very little"? I love the trigger on my Remington 700 and it has no creep on it at all. you just apply the determined amount of pressure and it breaks with no creep. Is there a single stage ar15 trigger that would do the same thing?


Basically what you described. It's 10x better than any mil-spec trigger i've used.

You wouldn't notice any take-up at all unless you got the calipers out. It is a 3lb trigger, not sure what you're preference is on pull weight, but i know you can get bolt-gun triggers down to a pound or so, not so with an auto-loader trigger.
Ravinger  [Member]
8/10/2009 4:07:59 PM
i have the jp and jewell and the jewell is better in my opinion which doesn't count for much at all
kyreb  [Team Member]
8/10/2009 4:12:50 PM
Have a JP in my 'race' AR. Been in there for over 10 years and many thousands of rounds. Just as nice as the day it was installed.
RTBA-8  [Member]
8/10/2009 4:16:44 PM
I had one of the Timney solid (as opposed to Skeletonized) 4 pound triggers that lasted all of 50 rounds in a POF/Spike's gun before crapping out on me. I returned it, and now have a Geissele DMR. I couldn't be happier with the DMR. Just one personal experience, I've heard lots of people say their Timney works great, I'm just not one of them.
garrettm  [Member]
8/10/2009 4:22:03 PM
Has anybody had any experience with the Jard adjustable trigger?
RDTCU  [Member]
8/10/2009 4:22:56 PM
Originally Posted By RTBA-8:
I had one of the Timney solid (as opposed to Skeletonized) 4 pound triggers that lasted all of 50 rounds in a POF/Spike's gun before crapping out on me. I returned it, and now have a Geissele DMR. I couldn't be happier with the DMR. Just one personal experience, I've heard lots of people say their Timney works great, I'm just not one of them.


What happened?
RTBA-8  [Member]
8/10/2009 5:08:47 PM
Not exactly sure since its self contained and I didn't attempt to take it apart. The hammer went back, and refused to drop again. I tried everything I could think of to get it working, but got pissed and just sent it back. Probably an anomoly since most people seem to have good experiences with Timneys.
StealthyBlagga  [Member]
8/10/2009 5:48:11 PM
Best value = JP. Superb pull. Bulletproof if properly installed. A PITA to install though compared with drop-ins.
Best = AR Gold.

No AR trigger will be as good as a bolt gun trigger can be, because the design constraints are more demanding on a semi-auto. Sorry - fact of life, and its pointless to compare the two.
attack5  [Member]
8/10/2009 7:04:36 PM
Nothing touches the Geiselle!
garrettm  [Member]
8/11/2009 12:26:40 PM
Thanks everybody for the suggestions. Now I have to make a decision.
308Sako  [Team Member]
8/11/2009 3:49:08 PM
I have several Jewel's in Rem 700's and a Jewel in my first Colt AR, and I now have a Giesselematch in the second Colt. By far for the AR, go with the G trigger. For the Bolt gun there is only the Jewel's. Anything else is wasting your money for second class, but passable goods.
ScrinMaster  [Team Member]
8/11/2009 5:46:27 PM
For the money, Bill Springfield.
DCJatt  [Member]
8/11/2009 6:01:33 PM
I had recently purchased a Rock River 2 stage competition trigger. I have shot about 500+ rounds so far and i love it. It has increased my aim tremendously.
garrettm  [Member]
8/11/2009 8:04:55 PM
I have just contacted Bill Springfield with some questions. Hopefully I can just have him repair my current trigger.
Deputyjason  [Member]
8/14/2009 12:51:31 PM
As soon as I have the coin, I'm going to get an Accuracy Speaks single stage. Derrick lists them for $165 on his site and $175 installed.
llc  [Member]
8/14/2009 1:35:53 PM
Garrett, years ago Frank White, Compass Lake Engineering, designed and built the absolutely best trigger you could ever hope for in the AR platform. Two stage, adjustable, easy to install and safe to use......Check their webb site, give them a call..........you will find no friendlier people nor a better trigger............llc
458winmag  [Team Member]
8/14/2009 8:40:49 PM
Originally Posted By llc:
Garrett, years ago Frank White, Compass Lake Engineering, designed and built the absolutely best trigger you could ever hope for in the AR platform. Two stage, adjustable, easy to install and safe to use......Check their webb site, give them a call..........you will find no friendlier people nor a better trigger............llc


You didn't say which trigger you have but I can only guess. There are only so many on the current market.

If cost is not a concern. GSA, mines great.

If you can't afford the cost or wait. CLE is the best buy. No sending it to Springfield or WOA to have it 'adjusted'.
458

Frank could probably fix a BM copy of his trigger, as BM changed the design a little

leswill  [Team Member]
8/14/2009 9:42:54 PM
allow me to second the endorsement of compass lake's triggers, i have two of them, and they have held up, and worked very well.
tt350z  [Member]
8/14/2009 10:40:05 PM
I run a #3 Timney Gen2 also. I have not had any light strikes or doubling issues the first gen had. Practically zero take up with a clean break and reset And it's drop in, so nothing to mess around with.

I also have a RRA 2 stage NM trigger on a extra lower... and that thing feels like poop compared to the Timney. But don't get me wrong, it's still leaps better than a factory AR trigger.
garrettm  [Member]
8/15/2009 12:11:57 AM
Okay. So I think I'm probably going to go for either a trigger group from Bill Springfield($99) or a trigger group from Compass Lake Engineering($128). Which is better for the money? I've done some research on Bill Springfield and liked what I saw, but I haven't ever heard of CLE until today. Which should I try?
murderman  [Team Member]
8/15/2009 12:37:37 AM
Originally Posted By tt350z:
I run a #3 Timney Gen2 also. I have not had any light strikes or doubling issues the first gen had. Practically zero take up with a clean break and reset And it's drop in, so nothing to mess around with.

I also have a RRA 2 stage NM trigger on a extra lower... and that thing feels like poop compared to the Timney. But don't get me wrong, it's still leaps better than a factory AR trigger.


I had plenty of light primer strikes [FTFire, 2-3 rounds per 100 with BHBB 77 SMK's] with my Timney 3# non-adj. Gen2 until I swapped in the "red" AR-10 hammer spring, which was provided by the manufacturer free-of-charge. Since the swap, it has been just fine. The pull increased about 6 oz., just like Jay Hague said it would, but the improved reliability is well worth it IMHO.

As others have mentioned, no AR FCG can compare with a finely tuned Jewell in a bolt gun.

PursuitSS  [Team Member]
8/15/2009 11:15:13 AM
Originally Posted By RDTCU:
3# Timney's are nice and are $200. Have one in my .308, never the first problem.
Self contained, nothing to screw up.

ETA: They are all single stage with very little take-up, which i like (personal preference).


"Nothing to screw up"? When I purchased my Timney, it had to be sent back to Timney TWICE, ON MY NICKLE!

Being it doubled right out of the package, PLUS, it was still screwed up when I got it back. I'd call that pretty shitty customer service being I had to pay shipping and insurance each time to them. NO MORE Timney for me. For a "Drop In" I think I'll try the AR Gold trigger.

PursuitSS
WDEagle  [Team Member]
8/31/2009 12:03:10 PM
Originally Posted By llc:
Garrett, years ago Frank White, Compass Lake Engineering, designed and built the absolutely best trigger you could ever hope for in the AR platform. Two stage, adjustable, easy to install and safe to use......Check their webb site, give them a call..........you will find no friendlier people nor a better trigger............llc


Is CLE still in business? I do not get an answer at their 850.579.1208 phone number. Also, I sent an email this morning but have not received a response.

I appreciate any info you might have.

Thanks

WDEagle
tgad2  [Member]
8/31/2009 1:31:47 PM




Are all of these triggers being discussed recommended for a combat rifle as well? (IE: one that is used more for run-and-shoot drills; not so much paper punching or varmint usage).



458winmag  [Team Member]
8/31/2009 8:40:46 PM
WDE
Most shops are closed on Mondays. CLE's # is 850- 579- 1208
458
458winmag  [Team Member]
8/31/2009 8:48:59 PM
Originally Posted By tgad2:




Are all of these triggers being discussed recommended for a combat rifle as well? (IE: one that is used more for run-and-shoot drills; not so much paper punching or varmint usage).





With the exception of GSA, I'd say no. I'd prefer a FCG that couldn't loose it's adjustment by some screws coming loose. But that's just my thought.
458

badazzar15  [Industry Partner]
8/31/2009 11:49:47 PM
Originally Posted By attack5:
Nothing touches the Geiselle!


Yup.
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