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 Colt DEA?
thenewsix  [Member]
11/24/2004 10:33:55 AM EST
Does anyone know if the DEA's Colt carbine is an M4, LE6920/6921, or perhaps a LE6721? The 6721 would be a closer match to the specs of the RRA DEA rifle. I know they also issue SIG carbines as well, so perhaps having a similar configuration didn't come into play when both the Colt and RRA were approved for purchase. Does anyone know for sure?
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Boomvang  [Member]
11/24/2004 12:19:07 PM EST
I have seen the issue Colt weapons, they are the LE6921. 14.5" bbl, safe/semi operation. Internals are all civvy semi-style: same cut-away bolt carrier, blocked receiver, AR15 selector and cut hammer. The FBI is buying off this contract as well.
SandMan223  [Member]
11/24/2004 12:46:31 PM EST
I was under the impression that Colt and Sig lost the competition for the DEA contract. Every article that I've read regarding the DEA rifle states that RRA beat Colt and Sig for the contract.
bushgun  [Member]
11/24/2004 4:24:32 PM EST
The DEA is definitely using the RRA.
Group9  [Member]
11/24/2004 4:34:43 PM EST
DEA is buying the RRA's carbines and issuing them to domestic agents. Colt and Sig did also get selected to provide semi-auto 5.56mm carbines, but right now, DEA is only buying and issuing RRA's.

DEA still has lots of Colt M-4's with select fire, (some full auto and some 3 rd burst), a few H&K 53's with select fire, and lots and lots of Colt CAR-15's with select fire. They are keeping the M-4's and H&K 53's for foreign use, (and some specialized domestic use), and dumping the CAR-15's, along with all of the 9mm Colt SMG's.

selfishselfless  [Member]
11/24/2004 5:45:57 PM EST
What is the difference between the 6920 and 6921?

Thanx.
Sammy
Duke_of_Lawnchair  [Member]
11/24/2004 5:51:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By selfishselfless:
What is the difference between the 6920 and 6921?

Thanx.
Sammy



LE6920 = 16.1" barrel
LE6921 = 14.5" barrel
CJan_NH  [Team Member]
11/24/2004 7:03:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By SandMan223:
I was under the impression that Colt and Sig lost the competition for the DEA contract. Every article that I've read regarding the DEA rifle states that RRA beat Colt and Sig for the contract.


Negative. Sadly, most gun rags are horrid places to get factual information.

For the sake of clarification, the DEA contract was awarded not only to RRA, but to Colt and Sig as well. It's funny that RRA gets most of the press-yet they got the smallest slice of the pie by a pretty large margin.

From FBO Daily:

AWARDS - July 4, 2003

DEA-03-C-0030 - Estimated $115,142,537.00
CARBINE RIFLE
Sigarms, Inc., 18 Industrial Drive, Exeter, N. H. 03833

DEA-03-C-0032 - Estimated $85,923,935.00
CARBINE RIFLE
Rock River Arms, Inc., 1042 Cleveland Road, Colona, Il. 61241

DEA-03-C-0031 - Estimated $113,639,340.00
CARBINE RIFLE
Colt Defense LLC, PO Box 118, Hartford, Ct. 06141


From USDOJ:

DEA DEA-03-C-0030 Multi-Bureau Sigarms, Inc. 06/20/08 .223 Carbines

DEA DEA-03-C-0031 Multi-Bureau Colt Defense 06/20/08 .223 Carbines

DEA DEA-03-C-0032 Multi-Bureau Rock River Arms 06/20/08 .223 Carbines

Boomvang  [Member]
11/24/2004 7:27:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By CJan_NH:

Negative. Sadly, most gun rags are horrid places to get factual information.




CJ, Must you cloud this thread with facts?
strick909  [Team Member]
11/24/2004 8:07:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By Boomvang:

Originally Posted By CJan_NH:

Negative. Sadly, most gun rags are horrid places to get factual information.




CJ, Must you cloud this thread with facts?



It's all in the marketing. If Colt would only advertise......
MAP  [Team Member]
11/24/2004 8:26:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By Group9:
DEA is buying the RRA's carbines and issuing them to domestic agents. Colt and Sig did also get selected to provide semi-auto 5.56mm carbines, but right now, DEA is only buying and issuing RRA's.

DEA still has lots of Colt M-4's with select fire, (some full auto and some 3 rd burst), a few H&K 53's with select fire, and lots and lots of Colt CAR-15's with select fire. They are keeping the M-4's and H&K 53's for foreign use, (and some specialized domestic use), and dumping the CAR-15's, along with all of the 9mm Colt SMG's.




They can dump a CAR-15 to me!

Mike
jar3ds  [Team Member]
11/25/2004 6:05:38 AM EST
i think for the cost... RRA is going to be their best bet... but if they want the colt 'magic' ... all the power to themm...
TTCO  [Member]
11/25/2004 8:16:24 AM EST
Aren't they the same price ?

What does the sig look like?
NightOwl  [Member]
11/25/2004 8:26:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By TTCO:
Aren't they the same price ?

What does the sig look like?

http://sigarms.com/le-military/special.asp

probably the 552
knightone  [Team Member]
11/25/2004 12:46:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By CJan_NH:
It's funny that RRA gets most of the press-yet they got the smallest slice of the pie by a pretty large margin.

From www.fbodaily.com/archive/2003/07-July/04-Jul-2003/10-awd.htm]FBO Daily

DEA-03-C-0032 - Estimated $85,923,935.00
CARBINE RIFLE
Rock River Arms, Inc., 1042 Cleveland Road, Colona, Il. 61241




I have to think that, for a company as new as RRA, that an infusion of 86 million dollars must be a pretty good feeling for them. Maybe in ten or twenty years they might complain about an extra 20 mil, if they are lucky and they continue to offer good products.

As far as magazine articles are concerned, it helps when the only source of info for those articles comes from RRA themselves. A loaner gun as a test sample and an information packet is all that tehy need to send out to get an article written. Very few gun writers will research outside of that info packet nor will they put the test sample through any abuse to determine its real capabilities. They will take the word of the company for gospel for the article as they just want to collect a check and they know that most gun rags are made to sell guns and not truly critique a company or its products.

That's not to say that RRA soen't make a good rifle, thy do. They're also not going to mention Colt or SIG in their press releases nor are they going to admit openly that they have to sare a contract with anyone else. It's better for their image if they imply that they are the sole source contract winner and that they beat out everyone else in the market. It's just smart marketing and good PR.
CJan_NH  [Team Member]
11/25/2004 7:30:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By knightone:

Originally Posted By CJan_NH:
It's funny that RRA gets most of the press-yet they got the smallest slice of the pie by a pretty large margin.

From www.fbodaily.com/archive/2003/07-July/04-Jul-2003/10-awd.htm]FBO Daily

DEA-03-C-0032 - Estimated $85,923,935.00
CARBINE RIFLE
Rock River Arms, Inc., 1042 Cleveland Road, Colona, Il. 61241




I have to think that, for a company as new as RRA, that an infusion of 86 million dollars must be a pretty good feeling for them. Maybe in ten or twenty years they might complain about an extra 20 mil, if they are lucky and they continue to offer good products.

As far as magazine articles are concerned, it helps when the only source of info for those articles comes from RRA themselves. A loaner gun as a test sample and an information packet is all that tehy need to send out to get an article written. Very few gun writers will research outside of that info packet nor will they put the test sample through any abuse to determine its real capabilities. They will take the word of the company for gospel for the article as they just want to collect a check and they know that most gun rags are made to sell guns and not truly critique a company or its products.

That's not to say that RRA soen't make a good rifle, thy do. They're also not going to mention Colt or SIG in their press releases nor are they going to admit openly that they have to sare a contract with anyone else. It's better for their image if they imply that they are the sole source contract winner and that they beat out everyone else in the market. It's just smart marketing and good PR.


I agree with you in all respects.

I find it aggravating that so many 'journalists' (I use that term loosely) have become so damned lazy in the past dozen or so years. It used to be that a reporter actually worked for a story by digging up corroborating facts and information. These days many of them take the pre-packaged press releases that are spoonfed to them, do zero research, and frame their story without any due diligence whatsoever.

SigArms typically doesn't shout from the rooftops after being awarded a contract, but they did issue a press release. Since a gov contract lends credibility to your product I can certainly understand why RRA was motivated to play it for all it was worth. I own several ARs built from RRA components, and their quality and value has made me a believer.
selfishselfless  [Member]
11/26/2004 8:33:25 PM EST
Thanx Duke_of_Lawnchair

Sammy


Originally Posted By Duke_of_Lawnchair:

Originally Posted By selfishselfless:
What is the difference between the 6920 and 6921?

Thanx.
Sammy



LE6920 = 16.1" barrel
LE6921 = 14.5" barrel

JLM  [Member]
11/26/2004 8:45:40 PM EST

I find it aggravating that so many 'journalists' (I use that term loosely) have become so damned lazy in the past dozen or so years.


Bad reviews don't generate advertising buys
Duke_of_Lawnchair  [Member]
11/26/2004 8:48:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By selfishselfless:
Thanx Duke_of_Lawnchair

Sammy


Originally Posted By Duke_of_Lawnchair:

Originally Posted By selfishselfless:
What is the difference between the 6920 and 6921?

Thanx.
Sammy



LE6920 = 16.1" barrel
LE6921 = 14.5" barrel




Anytime.
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