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 What is the deal with Sabre Defence?
SkagSig40  [Team Member]
7/14/2011 1:54:45 AM
I thought they were shut down for some illegal activity they were involved in. I was at my local gun shop today and they just got in a ton of new Sabre AR's. I asked the guy if these were bran new or back room old stock and he was not 100% sure and the owner was not in to verify. I'm temped to buy one of the Tactical models but at $1,700 dollars I want to make sure Sabre is going to back up their rifle if it has problems at all and honor their warranty. Does anyone know what is going on with Sabre? Is it safe to buy their stuff of is it left overs and buy at your own risk? Their stuff was top quality so hopefully it is good to go still? Many thanks!
DanTSX  [Team Member]
7/14/2011 2:30:41 AM
They have a new owner. I forget exactly who, but they got into a bidding war with Colt, and Colt said, "F-it" at about $4M and the other guys got it. No idea what they got exactly, or even if they are up and running. Business sales as a result of C&D orders and seizure are always messy. My own thought is that the new buyers were essentially buying for the .mil contracts.

Do a search. The info is out there and has come up recently for discussion. $1,700 is big $ for a rifle, even traditionally overpriced Sabre before they got shut down.
jmreagan  [Member]
7/14/2011 8:07:04 AM
I would go with another quality manufacturer, with trusted customer service, if for only piece of mind. BCM, Daniel Defense, and Spikes first come to mind.
triburst1  [Team Member]
7/14/2011 9:53:16 AM
I don't know but I have a Sabre upper that I bought for cheap on the EE and it kicks ass.

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RedFalconBill  [Team Member]
7/14/2011 10:21:29 AM

Originally Posted By SkagSig40:
I thought they were shut down for some illegal activity they were involved in. I was at my local gun shop today and they just got in a ton of new Sabre AR's. I asked the guy if these were bran new or back room old stock and he was not 100% sure and the owner was not in to verify. I'm temped to buy one of the Tactical models but at $1,700 dollars I want to make sure Sabre is going to back up their rifle if it has problems at all and honor their warranty. Does anyone know what is going on with Sabre? Is it safe to buy their stuff of is it left overs and buy at your own risk? Their stuff was top quality so hopefully it is good to go still? Many thanks!

Sabre went up for sale and was bought by Manroy USA in March.

The owner of Manroy (who used to own Sabre when they were called RAMO) said in late March that he was going to find the former Sabre workers and try to get the company back up and running by late summer.
MISTERMOON  [Member]
7/14/2011 10:31:52 AM
BTW, i beleive that the Sabre barrel was made by RAMO.


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lifebreath  [Member]
7/14/2011 11:51:32 AM
Manroy USA bought them. Here's a press release dated 16-JUN-2011:

http://www.manroy-usa.com/images/ManroyPressRelease.pdf
SkagSig40  [Team Member]
7/14/2011 2:15:00 PM
So do you think the AR's at my local gun shop are old back room stock or new one from the fresh Sabre? I can't seem to find their website so I don't think they have one up at this time. I'm considering buying their M5 Tactical for $1,750. Here is a link to it:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=237679039
DanTSX  [Team Member]
7/14/2011 2:18:43 PM
Originally Posted By SkagSig40:
So do you think the AR's at my local gun shop are old back room stock or new one from the fresh Sabre? I can't seem to find their website so I don't think they have one up at this time. I'm considering buying their M5 Tactical for $1,750. Here is a link to it:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=237679039


Who knows. Guns sit at distributors for weeks, months, or years. Best bet is to get the serial number and try to get in contact with Sabre.

I know of no single "tell" that would determine if it is a pre or post manroy gun.
SkagSig40  [Team Member]
7/14/2011 2:41:34 PM
I just called Sabre and got a disconnected message. I called Manroy and left a message asking the status of Sabre.
Firebird69  [Team Member]
7/14/2011 3:38:59 PM
Buy ARmalite
maleante  [Team Member]
7/14/2011 3:54:44 PM
That $1750 will turn closer to $2k after tax... While not saying Colt is the only AR option, you could buy TWO Colt 6920's or 6520's for the price of that Sabre.

-I still have a sabre lower and once had an amazing 24" HBAR-
Dferg10  [Member]
7/14/2011 4:13:16 PM
$1700 for a Sabre Defense "tactical"- NO SALE.
SkagSig40  [Team Member]
7/14/2011 5:33:47 PM
Originally Posted By maleante:
That $1750 will turn closer to $2k after tax... While not saying Colt is the only AR option, you could buy TWO Colt 6920's or 6520's for the price of that Sabre.

-I still have a sabre lower and once had an amazing 24" HBAR-


Yeah, As nice as the Sabre is, I think it is to much to pay when you have just as nice rifles out there for much less money.
Swoosh101  [Team Member]
7/14/2011 5:37:15 PM
Sabre is a quality firearm its sad they had a lapse in judgement.
Banditman  [Team Member]
7/14/2011 7:30:32 PM
I have a 16" fluted SS Sabre Defence barrel that shoots like a dream.
MMcfpd  [Life Member]
7/14/2011 7:39:29 PM
I asked basically the same thing a couple of weeks ago and never got a clear answer. So I went ahead and took the chance that the 20" Sabre barrel that Rainier stocks presently will turn out to be as magnificent as the 16" Sabre I got a couple of years ago (pre-bust).
Aimless  [Site Staff]
7/14/2011 7:41:10 PM

Originally Posted By MMcfpd:
I asked basically the same thing a couple of weeks ago and never got a clear answer. So I went ahead and took the chance that the 20" Sabre barrel that Rainier stocks presently will turn out to be as magnificent as the 16" Sabre I got a couple of years ago (pre-bust).

let us know
FMJ  [Team Member]
7/14/2011 7:42:35 PM
I have yet to buy a weapon because of the warranty.
Seiran  [Team Member]
7/14/2011 7:45:24 PM

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By MMcfpd:
I asked basically the same thing a couple of weeks ago and never got a clear answer. So I went ahead and took the chance that the 20" Sabre barrel that Rainier stocks presently will turn out to be as magnificent as the 16" Sabre I got a couple of years ago (pre-bust).

let us know

My Sabre Defense barrel that I have in my RA upper [They didn't have any DD barrels in stock, and didn't know when they were coming in so they replaced it with a Sabre they had] is a damn tack driver. I would be shocked if he has anything but a terrific experience with his.
CJan_NH  [Team Member]
7/14/2011 8:18:46 PM
Originally Posted By FMJ:
I have yet to buy a weapon because of the warranty.

Neither have I, but in defense of a good warranty not everyone has the armorer tools and skillet to fix them like you and I do

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Nichonator  [Team Member]
7/14/2011 8:23:57 PM
I looked at them seriously a while back. Though i could afford there price i just coult justify it. Too many quality rifles out there for much less.
pegleggreg  [Team Member]
7/14/2011 10:10:42 PM
A dealer friend of mine got in a 16" chrome lined Sabre & a 20" SS Noveske. We shot both of them with a bunch of different factory loads & the Sabre was more accurate than the Noveske. We couldn't believe it; cleaned, let cool & tested several times to verify it.

After our small test we eventually got to be friends with guys that worked there who told us their 18" chrome lined, mid-length barrel was the most accurate they made. Even more accurate than any of their SS match barrels - go figure. I horse-traded with one of them to end up with an 18", but haven't built it out yet. Also ended up with a prototype 14.5", fluted Grendel.

They viewed their forte as building quality barrels & I think thats how they started out in business.
kevinb120  [Team Member]
7/14/2011 10:49:12 PM
Cripes, there's 100 different brands out there, get something else. Next thing you know you'll be looking to buy a Plymouth Prowler. $1700 bucks buys a whole lot of goodness from companies that are IN BUSINESS.
SkagSig40  [Team Member]
7/15/2011 2:27:42 PM
UPDATE:

I left a message at Manroy and a man named John called me back. He has an Australian accent and left a message for me stating the Sabre Defence will be making firearms again as soon as their FFL paper work is complete. I called him back and left him a message again asking how the warranty will work on the old Sabre guns and new Manroy guns. I also asked if the new Sabres will be of the same quality and made of the same tooling as the old Sabres and if the same workers will be employed again. I'll post back when I hear something.
MMcfpd  [Life Member]
7/15/2011 3:23:10 PM
That update makes me think that whatever vendors still have for sale is new old stock.
SkagSig40  [Team Member]
7/16/2011 1:00:51 AM
2nd update

Ok, John called me back and I got the chance to ask him several questions. He said he is the man in charge and 1st off he stated that Sabre will be making guns in the near future and the name will be changed from Sabre Defence to Sabre Firearms. They are keeping the cat logo but will be changing it from white and blue to red and black. They will be making the new guns to the same standards as the original and also will be keeping the barrel making process. All the new gun will be made on the original tooling but it is not likely old employees will return to work. He has no idea where they are or how many there were. He mentioned that they will retain some of the engineers but did not go in to a lot of detail. I asked how the warranty support will be for old guns and new guns. He said he is not sure yet how it will work but he will be taking care of customers one way or another. I asked if I spent the $1,700 on the Sabre at my local shop and it had problems would the New Sabre take care of it. He said "yes and no". They can't take in any guns till the ATF signs off on anything but after that and when they are up and running they will help me or others out to make it right and they want to keep customers happy.
He is not 100% sure when that will be but it should be within a few months and they will be doing a press release as soon as they are up and running. He also said they have a lot of old Sabre parts that they will be using to make new guns. When those dry up the new guns will all be "Sabre Firearms" marked. Any way he was a really nice guy and spent a bit of time with me. Had a thick Australian accent and was happy to help and seemed excited to get his guns to the market. This is his company's 1st commercial venture, everything else they have done was military/government stuff.
Dferg10  [Member]
7/16/2011 8:44:10 AM
Putting aside that the company is out of business and a new company with the same equipment and a similar name may or may not be coming back to the market and may or may not be providing future warranty support, and focusing only on the numbers- why would you even consider paying $1700 for one. For another $150 you can find a KAC SP15. You can get a Colt 6920 a KAC RAS rail and a new EOTech for that kinda money. The list of better deals is endless...
Gthirteen  [Team Member]
7/16/2011 9:03:57 AM
I've Always heard good things about their barrels. I don't think there's ever been much Sabre Kool Aid here, and Sabre probably won't be the gun of the moment any time soon. If they were a little cheaper perhaps they could gain some market share.