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 Identifying a Colt Match Target Hbar
joevol  [Member]
8/8/2009 7:13:48 PM EST
I had an opportunity to shoot a couple of clips in a Colt Match Target HBar that is for sale. Unfortunately, I failed to take a close look at the carry and I think I'm understanding from research on internet that some models have an integrated carry. This of course would rule out a scope which had desired to purchase. So, the question is, does anyone know how the serial number defines the specific model in this series?

Although the weapon is longer and heavier than desired, it is actually better suited for the intended target use. The "Colt Match Target Hbar" marking is on the receiver along with a stamped ".223" Serial number begins with "CCH" Help appreciated....email direct to "joe@my-houses.com" please.
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Oktavius  [Member]
8/8/2009 10:07:48 PM EST
This is in the sticky on this forum...should help out...

http://www.biggerhammer.net/ar15/

I have an R6600 (AR15 A2 HBAR). It is heavy and makes it a little tiring to shoot standing but it is a good workout. :) The carry handle is integral on mine (A2 models). While it isn't ideal for optics you can still mount on the carry handle or there are mounts that allow to mount the optic low and in front of the carry handle. Could do something like the Delta models...

Alpha-Romeo3  [Team Member]
8/9/2009 8:48:22 AM EST
I have a Colt with the lower marked "Match Target Match HBAR" with serial number prefix CMH model number MT6601 (also model MT6601C with fixed muzzle compensator) factory configuration of Match Target HBAR are fixed carry handle.

The other model Match Target Competition HBAR model MT6700 (and MT6700C compensator model) have the detachable carry handle, see my Colt site link.

But according to the Biggerhammer info link the serial number prefix of CCH are on MT6700 series Match Target Competition models 1998 production, there's a discrepancy of what you saw between the model name and serial number prefix.

Maybe you could take a look at the rifle again if possible, if it is a used rifle the previous owner could have switched the upper half, maybe take a second look to be sure.


Ref: Colt Mfg Match Target Model - site link


rychencop  [Team Member]
8/9/2009 8:52:08 AM EST
what's a "clip?"
joevol  [Member]
8/12/2009 6:50:58 AM EST
Thanks guys, great help in tying this down. I see from the Colt site that the rifle that best compares pictorially is the MT6731. The problem is that I think the one I fired had a longer barrel and fixed handle. The MT6731 is a 35" with flat top. And while I'm glad to hear from Octavious that there are optic options to work with the fixed handle, I would really prefer the flat top.

As for the discrepancy in model, Alfa....are you commenting with respect to the "CCH" as opposed to "CH"? Does the additional "C" imply the rifle has the compensator at the end of the barrel? If this is true, then you may be right on the upper having been swapped out. I'll need to have more conversation with him on this and take another look at the weapon.

I fired a couple of 20 round magazines (clips), from a seated position. Nerve problems in my left arm prevent a standing position for anything less than the broad side of a barn at 200 yards. I was able to hit a 5 gallon propane tank (empty of course). Friend has a case of Winchester .223 less the 2 boxes I fired. I later learned that cases may be either 500 or 1000 rounds (remember I'm just getting started)....so I'm not sure what the case contained in total. Any hints on the size of a 500 versus a 1000 round case??????

Any way, my friend is asking $1,200 for the rifle and the ammo. So as you can see I could buy new out of the box for $1,200 yet this one has a substantial amount of ammo. Weapon fired and appears to be in good shape, except for 4-6 paint scratches on the lower receiver. Comments on value welcomed?
dogpatch06  [Member]
8/12/2009 7:09:46 AM EST
Clip was used last in the M1 Garand.... "Ching"
DaveM4P99  [Member]
8/12/2009 7:20:46 AM EST
Well like a lot of people may chime in with...These days you could find a new Colt LE6920 for 1200 - which arguably is the gold standard in ARs...very reliable, accurate, well made etc. (But there are plenty of other great AR brands as well).

BUT a Colt Match Target, in good condition, with a CASE (usually is 1000 rounds) of ammo is a very good deal. Even if it's the cheapest ammo out there, it's still worth $300 - more if it's nicer ammo.

Does it come with any magazines??? That is a big plus if it comes with some good USGI or Pmags.

I would definitely recommend having a gunsmith take a look at it, to confirm the true condition. (barrel wear, throat wear, bolt wear etc.)

I have a detachable carry handle on my Colt Match Target M4 version (16 inch barrel MT6400c)...and never take it off...I mounted a scope on top and it works great. You should learn to shoot with the irons first anyway, before adding a scope.

But definitely sounds like a great deal as long as the rifle is in GOOD shape.
Alpha-Romeo3  [Team Member]
8/12/2009 9:13:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By joevol:

As for the discrepancy in model, Alfa....are you commenting with respect to the "CCH" as opposed to "CH"? Does the additional "C" imply the rifle has the compensator at the end of the barrel? If this is true, then you may be right on the upper having been swapped out. I'll need to have more conversation with him on this and take another look at the weapon.

I was talking about the discrepancy with the model name markings and the serial numbar prefix.

The Match Target Match HBAR model MT6601 and MT6601C with fixed carry handle (the "C" after the model number means compensator, not the "C" in the serial number prefix) should have a serial number prefix letters of CMH like in my rifle.

According to the Biggerhammer site the model with the detachable carry handle Match Target Competition HBAR model MT6700 and MT6700C should have a serial number prefix letters of CCH.

What you said you saw have mixed model name and serial prefix of Match Target Match HBAR (fixed carry handle) and the serial prefix CCH of the other model Match Target Competition HBAR (detachable carry handle).

Should be:
Match HBAR - CMH prefix
Competition HBAR - CCH prefix

I agree the price is not bad with ammo as long as the rifle was inspected by a gunsmith and in good condition.


Originally Posted By joevol:
The "Colt Match Target Hbar" marking is on the receiver along with a stamped ".223" Serial number begins with "CCH" Help appreciated...
joevol  [Member]
8/12/2009 5:16:58 PM EST
Thanks Dave for the heads up on value......The two magazines he had with him were plastic....He may have others....Tell me more....Do they normally come with metal magazines and what type....

He had a universal hard case, that I could probably get thrown in....

And thanks Alpha.....I'll take another look at the weapon and double check the numbers.....but the serial number was definitely a prefix of CCH and the stamping was Match Target HBAR....I'll recheck for the model number discrepancy....Thanks again.....
ChromeLined  [Member]
8/12/2009 6:02:16 PM EST
Check barrel markings to make sure its chrome lined,make sure it doesnt have a plastic buffer.
joevol  [Member]
8/16/2009 1:50:28 PM EST
Chrome Lined>>>>So what are the barrel markings I should be looking for?

I have learned by phone that it is a flat top version and he has the original metal magazines as well as the two 20 round and two 30 round magazines. Verified he purchased new and had only fired two boxes since purchasing....Beginning to look like a no brainer, but will have another look see this week.

DaveM4P99: Your right on learning to shoot without the scope.....which will also give me some time to get to know the weapon. Will probably invest in a decent spotter however....Thanks again for the information.....
RepublicanMan  [Member]
8/16/2009 3:09:51 PM EST
Look for C MP 1/7 on the barrel, on most I've seen it's on the top between teh FSB and the flash hider / crown. Depending on what bullet weights you intend to shoot, a 1/9 would work just as well.
joevol  [Member]
8/25/2009 5:10:45 PM EST
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Joe_Sakic  [Member]
8/25/2009 8:07:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By joevol:
Thanks guys, great help in tying this down. I see from the Colt site that the rifle that best compares pictorially is the MT6731. The problem is that I think the one I fired had a longer barrel and fixed handle. The MT6731 is a 35" with flat top. And while I'm glad to hear from Octavious that there are optic options to work with the fixed handle, I would really prefer the flat top.

As for the discrepancy in model, Alfa....are you commenting with respect to the "CCH" as opposed to "CH"? Does the additional "C" imply the rifle has the compensator at the end of the barrel? If this is true, then you may be right on the upper having been swapped out. I'll need to have more conversation with him on this and take another look at the weapon.

I fired a couple of 20 round magazines (clips), from a seated position. Nerve problems in my left arm prevent a standing position for anything less than the broad side of a barn at 200 yards. I was able to hit a 5 gallon propane tank (empty of course). Friend has a case of Winchester .223 less the 2 boxes I fired. I later learned that cases may be either 500 or 1000 rounds (remember I'm just getting started)....so I'm not sure what the case contained in total. Any hints on the size of a 500 versus a 1000 round case??????

Any way, my friend is asking $1,200 for the rifle and the ammo. So as you can see I could buy new out of the box for $1,200 yet this one has a substantial amount of ammo. Weapon fired and appears to be in good shape, except for 4-6 paint scratches on the lower receiver. Comments on value welcomed?




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