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 Pros/Cons of .223 Wylde ?
Deebo34  [Member]
11/22/2008 1:16:12 AM EST
Just curious what the general opinion on .223 Wylde is.
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jobbass  [Member]
11/22/2008 4:24:19 AM EST
if you reload there is NO problem.

If not lucky if you can find the ammo at your local gun store.
heat762  [Member]
11/22/2008 5:09:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By jobbass:
if you reload there is NO problem.

If not lucky if you can find the ammo at your local gun store.[/div]

SickMAK90  [Member]
11/22/2008 5:17:58 AM EST
You can shoot .223 and 5.56 safely and accurately. I do it all the time.
glock23c  [Team Member]
11/22/2008 5:20:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By jobbass:
if you reload there is NO problem.

If not lucky if you can find the ammo at your local gun store.



Wow....
BRONZ  [Team Member]
11/22/2008 5:29:50 AM EST
Deebo34 welcome to the site.

Wylde chambers are what I would get if I was shooting anything and everything through it.
Wirebrush  [Team Member]
11/22/2008 5:35:42 AM EST
It's more accurate than a 5.56 chamber, but it's not so tight that it won't chamber 5.56 except maybe tracers. .223 chambers have the most accuracy potential, but won't chamber some 5.56 ammo.
Spectre210  [Member]
11/22/2008 5:36:25 AM EST
Wylde chambers are what I would get if I was shooting anything and everything through it.


+1
chibajoe  [Team Member]
11/22/2008 5:59:59 AM EST
DOES NOT like Wolf, and I would assume other polymer/lacquer coated steel cased ammo.
BushBoar  [Team Member]
11/22/2008 6:15:04 AM EST
My most accurate gun has a Wylde chamber (16" WOA SS, 1:7). I get .3-.4 MOA with it using PRVI 75 grain OTM.
nws86  [Team Member]
11/22/2008 6:22:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By BushBoar:
My most accurate gun has a Wylde chamber (16" WOA SS, 1:7). I get .3-.4 MOA with it using PRVI 75 grain OTM.


10 shot groups or the internet commando 3 shot group non average

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=279218&page=1
innocent_bystander  [Team Member]
11/22/2008 6:27:15 AM EST
I don't know of any cons for a Wylde chamber in an AR15.

I have a Lothar Walther barrel with a Wylde chamber that will print five round groups of 75 grain Hornadies into 2 inches at 300 yards.
BRONZ  [Team Member]
11/22/2008 6:54:18 AM EST
Originally Posted By BushBoar:
My most accurate gun has a Wylde chamber (16" WOA SS, 1:7). I get .3-.4 MOA with it using PRVI 75 grain OTM.


Damn thats good.

jobbass  [Member]
11/22/2008 1:13:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By glock23c:
Originally Posted By jobbass:
if you reload there is NO problem.

If not lucky if you can find the ammo at your local gun store.



Wow....


Some of you thought that I am stupid by the comment I made.

Remenber I am in Canada and finding or buying 5.56 ammo due to restriction from the US state Department is impossible.

Once I have put those comments I remembered that you guys are in the US.

So my apologies.
juslearnin  [Team Member]
11/22/2008 1:24:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By chibajoe:
DOES NOT like Wolf, and I would assume other polymer/lacquer coated steel cased ammo.


I, too, have had some issues with wolf, but only when it gets hot. I have had several FTEs with wolf leaving the case stuck in the chamber with wylde cut chambers (RRA stainless barrels). Most of these were during a carbine class, after more than 30 rounds rapid fire. Most involved the polymer wolf, but a couple the laquer. If I don't get the rifles hot, I have not had the problem. I have not had this issue on any of my 5.56 chambered rifles. I think it is the combination of smaller chamber, and heat affecting the polymer or laquer and the round getting basically "glued" in. All cleared by slamming down on the butt while pulling on the charging handle.
WilsonCQB1911  [Team Member]
11/22/2008 1:42:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By jobbass:
Originally Posted By glock23c:
Originally Posted By jobbass:
if you reload there is NO problem.

If not lucky if you can find the ammo at your local gun store.



Wow....


Some of you thought that I am stupid by the comment I made.

Remenber I am in Canada and finding or buying 5.56 ammo due to restriction from the US state Department is impossible.

Once I have put those comments I remembered that you guys are in the US.

So my apologies.



223 Wylde chamber shoots .223 Remington ammo just fine as well. It's a very accurate and reliable alternative to 5.56 NATO chamber.

That's the point –– a reliable chamber that provides a bit more accuracy than 5.56 NATO.

No downsides.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, which is why you got the comments you did.
zipper  [Team Member]
11/22/2008 2:02:42 PM EST
Okay fellas READ closely,


The Wylde chamber has a shorter THROAT than a standard 5.56 chamber.

Rifles shoot Extremely well with the bullet closer to the LANDS of the rifling,

Since we are resticted to magazine length here, When using a 5.56 chamber your bullet has to JUMP farther when fired before it hits the LANDS than the Wylde chamber does.

Read your advanced Reloading Books or talk to one of those crazy Benchrest shooters

innocent_bystander  [Team Member]
11/22/2008 2:05:53 PM EST
Originally Posted By zipper:
Okay fellas READ closely,


The Wylde chamber has a shorter THROAT than a standard 5.56 chamber.

Rifles shoot Extremely well with the bullet closer to the LANDS of the rifling,

Since we are resticted to magazine length here, When using a 5.56 chamber your bullet has to JUMP farther when fired before it hits the LANDS than the Wylde chamber does.

Read your advanced Reloading Books or talk to one of those crazy Benchrest shooters




Nope, the Wylde throat is longer.

www.ar15barrels.com/data/223-556.pdf
Captains1911  [Member]
11/22/2008 2:17:03 PM EST
I recently called and talked to a tech at RRA asking him about these chambers, and he told me that they were LONGER, not shorter.
stiles  [Member]
11/22/2008 3:00:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By zipper:
The Wylde chamber has a shorter THROAT than a standard 5.56 chamber.

Rifles shoot Extremely well with the bullet closer to the LANDS of the rifling,

Since we are resticted to magazine length here, When using a 5.56 chamber your bullet has to JUMP farther when fired before it hits the LANDS than the Wylde chamber does.


Well the throat is a friction fit at .2240" dia so even when the bullet isn't jammed into the lands there isn't much of a jump cause the throat seals off the bullet. This is why the wylde chamber is so forgiving.

Originally Posted By zipper:
Read your advanced Reloading Books or talk to one of those crazy Benchrest shooters


Does Precision Shoothing's Reloading Guide qualify? Page 262 and 263 in the section on working up accurate loads the author tells of a screw up where he accidentally adjusted his seater up instead of down making the bullets have a 0.050" jump instead of the intended 0.020" and this accident became that rifles best load shooting ~1/4 moa.

Originally Posted By innocent_bystander:

Nope, the Wylde throat is longer.

www.ar15barrels.com/data/223-556.pdf


Well only if you just look at the freebore length dimention, but if you consider the freebore diameter .2240" for the wylde and .2265" for the nato chamber, the length of freebore and the throat angle you'll see that a given bullet will engage the lands on the wylde chamber before the nato chamber. Gotta love trig.

I just compared a NATO barrel and a Wylde barrel with my stony point oal gauge with a nosler 77gr hpbt and I got:

nato 2.375" coal touching lands

wylde2.369" coal touching lands

.006" isn't much to write home about but it illustrates the point.
BushBoar  [Team Member]
11/22/2008 3:05:20 PM EST
Originally Posted By nws86:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:
My most accurate gun has a Wylde chamber (16" WOA SS, 1:7). I get .3-.4 MOA with it using PRVI 75 grain OTM.


10 shot groups or the internet commando 3 shot group non average

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=279218&page=1


5 shot groups.

Both Cold (AR Variants mod) and I have done this with this gun, off sandbags.
BushBoar  [Team Member]
11/22/2008 3:08:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By BRONZ:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:
My most accurate gun has a Wylde chamber (16" WOA SS, 1:7). I get .3-.4 MOA with it using PRVI 75 grain OTM.


Damn thats good.



Yes. I'm very fortunate my gun does this with relatively inexpensive match ammo instead of needing Black Hills or something similar.

It was fucking devastating to prairie dogs on a trip out west last spring.

Incidentally the same ammo grouped 2-3 MOA in a friend's Noveske barrel. And he's a damn good shot. Just goes to show that you need to try many different kinds of ammo with each barrel.
deadon57  [Member]
11/22/2008 3:11:51 PM EST
Love that chamber, more accurate than a dedicated 5.56mm AR chamber
Deebo34  [Member]
11/22/2008 10:16:51 PM EST
Thanks for the info. I was thinking about getting the 20" stainless upper from PkFirearms. Looks like I'll go ahead and do it.
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