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 Best AR-15/Black Rifle under $1,000
308sc  [Member]
5/3/2008 1:49:03 PM
Hi, I'm new here and have some questions about getting into the AR-15 rifle.

I'm looking to spend less than $1,000 but wouldn't mind if it was a bit more.

This will be my first AR-15 Rifle. I have heard Bushmasters are good, along with Stag Arms, DPMS, and Rock River Arms.

I'm looking for accuracy and reliability. I'm also kinda looking to stay away from building, but if it allows me to get more performance for my hard earned dollar then i will consider it.

*please tell me ballpark prices for the guns you suggest!

Thanks,

Ryan
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arbob  [Life Member]
5/3/2008 1:55:59 PM
With the exception of Colt, most new in box ARs can be had for less than $1k if you shop around. If you search the equipment exchange, you are likely to find what you are looking for, especially if a lightly used safe queen will suit your needs.

Also building an AR can be as simple as putting a complete lower and upper together. Just some food for thought.
SplatSTi  [Team Member]
5/3/2008 1:58:29 PM
Since you dont want to build I suggest looking at some of the sponsors for the site.

You also didnt specify if you wanted short or long barrel, so..

Example: Aim Surplus
www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Bushmaster_20__A3_.223_Rifle.html


Bushmaster 20" A3 .223 Rifle
Price: $949.95


Stag Arms
www.stagarms.com/rightrifles.htm

Plenty of other ones out there, you just need to look.
mauiblue  [Team Member]
5/3/2008 2:09:07 PM
Welcome to the forum. There are so many different variants of the AR-15 that you need to decide which one you want to go with. I wanted a M4gery (copy of the military M4 carbine) so I went with a Rock River Arms Entry Tactical carbine for my first AR-15 (cost $900). Go and read a bit in this forum, ask some more questions, and then do more research. Have fun shopping for your new AR-15.
ProjectCamaro  [Member]
5/3/2008 2:28:53 PM
Welcome to the site.
I just recieved my first AR15 two days ago so I was just in your shoes. I wanted something at a good price but didn't want to build it. I ended up buying a complete upper and a complete lower. You just hook the two parts together and you're done and you save a lot of money.
I have a complete Stag AR M4 style with an A3 flattop and a removable handle. I paid less than $700 for everything needed to shoot and it's a good quality rifle. Talk to the company you're going to buy from and do some searching. I found the company I bought mine from had the lower listed $25 less on GunBroker.com than they did on their site so they took the money off and they had a special where you recieved 10% off everything if you purchased before the end of April.
DallasLooterShooter  [Member]
5/3/2008 2:49:19 PM
Bingo
opositive  [Team Member]
5/3/2008 3:03:08 PM
i would get a flat top, whatever length you get. i would look in the ee--a lot of people buy and sell good stuff at reasonable prices. with alarming regularity, i buy a firearm, keep it for a little while, see something "better," and sell it at a discount on the ee. "sell to support" brd and "selling to fund another project" often leads to great deals for buyers.
Lonestar45  [Member]
5/3/2008 3:11:11 PM
If I were starting over again, I'd start with an LMT M4 complete upper from Bravo Company ($485). Add an LMT BCG from Bravo Company ($130). You're at $615 plus shipping. Bravo Company will throw in the M4 handguards for free.

Then I'd find a complete lower (Stags, RRA, DPMS can be had in my area for around $240 give or take). If you can't find one local order one online and have it transferred to a local FFL. You're looking at roughly $250. I'd personally go with a Stag w/an M4 stock because Stag uses milspec extension tubes in their stocks.

You're looking at roughly $865. Now all you need is sites. Carry handles can be had anywhere for $85 - $100 or so, maybe less if you shop around, but don't get the $45 specials from China. Personally, I would go with a Larue fixed BUIS, for $89 and forego the carry handle alltogether.
You're looking at roughly $960 or so. That's what I'd do if I could start over on my first one.

Throw in a couple mags, or a mag and a sling, whatever, and you're done., at just under the $1,000 wire, and you'll have a great carbine base that you can shoot forever as is or use as a platform to build on (good optics, rails, lights, whatever floats your boat).
That's if you want a carbine however, not sure from your post what kind of AR you want. There's tons of ways to do it. But buying a complete upper, and a complete lower, and snapping together, will save you a lot of $ and there is no "building" involved. Push two pins and you're done.


MSPRet  [Member]
5/3/2008 3:22:58 PM
Pardon a newbie that just finished putting together his first stropped Stag lower and DPMS lower parts kit yesterday evening (it all went together sweet!!!), but what does the acronym BUIS stanmd for, I would guess it has something to do with sights but I cannot find it listed in the section that I have read on commonly used trems and acronyms...Thanks..by the way I am trying to decide if I want to go with a RRA or Stag upper, any comments on either?....<><....:)
DoubleTap556  [Member]
5/3/2008 3:24:38 PM

Originally Posted By MSPRet:
Pardon a newbie that just finished putting together his first stropped Stag lower and DPMS lower parts kit yesterday evening (it all went together sweet!!!), but what does the acronym BUIS stanmd for, I would guess it has something to do with sights but I cannot find it listed in the section that I have read on commonly used trems and acronyms...Thanks..by the way I am trying to decide if I want to go with a RRA or Stag upper, any comments on either?....<><....:)


Back up iron sights
FMJ  [Team Member]
5/3/2008 3:46:40 PM
S&W for the Price


I would buy a CHEAP Complete lower Stag/RRA/Bushy/

and a LMT M4 upper with LMT Carrier/bolt
wilber  [Member]
5/3/2008 3:54:42 PM
Has any one heard of double star firearms if so ? Do they build good rifles? Who makes the best m-4 style rifle out there ? looking to buy been shopping around .NEED some advice
GONIF  [Member]
5/3/2008 3:55:31 PM
Build it your self or buy an ADS .
wilber  [Member]
5/3/2008 4:02:20 PM
ADS?
duckcmmndr  [Member]
5/3/2008 4:02:49 PM
You should check out Anvil Arms. Their "Standard Carbine" is on sale right now for $825. I bought a lower and all the parts to put it together from Jon at Anvil and was VERY pleased. You can do some searching on the board and I don't think you will find a bad comment on Anvil.

He can build it to suit your tastes. I would recommend him 110%.
wilber  [Member]
5/3/2008 4:05:37 PM
THANKS I'll check it out. I saw a double star m4 rifle for $700 are they good rifles ?
FMJ  [Team Member]
5/3/2008 4:09:27 PM

Originally Posted By wilber:
Has any one heard of double star firearms if so ? Do they build good rifles? Who makes the best m-4 style rifle out there ? looking to buy been shopping around .NEED some advice



LMT
NOVESKE
COLT


Double Star ?? I would use there Lowers with No trouble at all
but would use a LMT upper or from my list
ArmedSuspect  [Member]
5/3/2008 4:13:00 PM

CMMG makes a damn fine product

SGTCap  [Team Member]
5/3/2008 4:40:58 PM
Build your own one piece at a time. its cheaper and you get a better product.

Or go LMT, or Noveske
wilber  [Member]
5/3/2008 4:50:04 PM
I'll shop around .
MSPRet  [Member]
5/3/2008 5:41:21 PM
Thanks for the answer (BUIS) and added comments and information. I have a lot to learn abut these fine little guns. A first I was a but cautious about putting the loewer together but it was a piece of cake, now I have to get an upper, or perhaps put one together. I am hoping and believeing it should not be any harder the the lower. Also my gunsmith (a friend) has toild me if I get fouled up to just stop by, that he has everything toolwise that I will need....<><....:}
308sc  [Member]
5/3/2008 5:42:28 PM
Im looking at the Stag Model 15 pre ban 1

how are these for the money?
MSPRet  [Member]
5/3/2008 5:46:40 PM
from everything I have read here (not much expierence I will admit) Stag is a very good product with great customer service. I am considering, if I buy, either Stag or RRA....<><....:)
FMJ  [Team Member]
5/3/2008 5:51:54 PM

Originally Posted By SGTCap:
Build your own one piece at a time. its cheaper and you get a better product.

Or go LMT, or Noveske

+1

I built a Bushmaster lower/VLTOR
and used a LMT M4 14.4 upper

Its every bit as good as my LMT Defender 2000 M4
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5/3/2008 7:49:00 PM




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Beater9C1  [Member]
5/3/2008 8:03:52 PM
CMMG upper and a quality lower.
WorstCaseScenario  [Team Member]
5/3/2008 8:16:24 PM
They haven't been proven yet, but the CDD M4LE will be the best if the hype is true. You should be out the door right at $1K with a BUIS.
eng208  [Member]
5/5/2008 4:50:03 PM
I have a Stag 2T. I had a problem with it, but contacted Stag and they sent me a call back tag, I sent the rifle to them, and they fixed it at no cost to me. Also sent it back with a hard plastic case, so I can't complain. I am just unlucky in that if there is going to be a problem with an item, I will get it. They apparently had a batch of barrels that had a smaller than spec gas port that got past QC. Mine was fine with milspec ammo, or higher pressure .223, but would not fire the lower pressure cheap ammo. Now it fires everything fine.

If I were to buy anything other than a 6920, it would be a Stag or S&W M&P15T. They did have an excellent rebate, but I don't know if it is still ongoing. It was supposed to end April 30.

Also Stag has a discount for Public Safety.
llamanator  [Member]
5/5/2008 4:56:10 PM
i was looking, you can do a full lmt build with sopmod stock for like 1080$, if you shop around. After my pvs14, i think I'll start on another build
bukn77  [Member]
5/5/2008 5:54:50 PM
for a commplete rifle I like RRA for the money. If you build one there are many quality lowers. Sabre builds some good uppers.
ahelplessnun  [Member]
5/5/2008 6:01:12 PM
I'd have to agree with the LMT upper and lower combo. Add in a BUIS, and your right in the ballpark. And welcome as well!
NRA2  [Team Member]
5/5/2008 6:01:21 PM
Lots of good info above and I vote LMT upper CMMG lower.

If Wolf ever made steel case 6.8 ammo I wouldn't look at anything in 223 but then you could stick a ceiner kit into your ar and still shoot cheaply.......I digress.
llamanator  [Member]
5/5/2008 6:03:16 PM
you can build a stag arms for about 750 if you shop around, abd build it from a striped lower. i priced one at 756$ before ffl tansfer and stuff. My stag now is great, but i may sell it for an lmt soon
SlipShot762  [Team Member]
5/5/2008 10:44:54 PM
My RRA was 720....after adding a carry handle ($40), 7 mags ($15 each), sling and sling adapter (like $ 60 or so for both together) it was just under 1k, likje 940 or so.



I just sold this ak for 325 and a fishing pole, with 5 mags, a romak it was. I've got a vector lined up to replace it.

kwrangln  [Member]
5/5/2008 11:30:45 PM
A month ago I would have said the best deal going was the CMMG bargain bin rifles for $570. Since that deal is gone, you'll have to build one. You can get a rifle kit for $500 that includes everything but a stripped lower reciever. A stripped lower can be had for $100, so you can put together a decent shooting AR for $600 and use the rest for ammo. No matter what you do you'll end up spending more on ammo than you did on the rifle, so save as much as you can for the ammo. If you cant afford to shoot it then you are investing alot of cash into a high tech club, you might as well put a bayonet on it and call it a spear.
lsc_chef  [Member]
5/5/2008 11:52:18 PM
i recomend building your own. i'm building my first one but i'm mecanically inclined.
you get exactly what you want and have nothing you don't.
so far:
sundevil lower
vltor mur upper
vltor carbine stock
lmt bcg
charging hadle w/badger ordanace tac latch
magpul folding trigger guard
magpul miad handle
rra stage two lower parts kit
kns stainless hammer and trigger pins
gear seleactor end plate sling mount.
on the way:
noveske 14.5 chrome lined barrel
knight rails
troy front and back buis
not sure on the rest.


and thats just what i want you could be different but it is so much fun to build your own.
BadassWeakling  [Team Member]
5/6/2008 1:26:59 AM
RRA is tough to beat in terms of value. Also, their build quality is very, very nice. The only problem with RRA is their lack of elite mall ninja barrel configurations.

My other "elite" brand ARs (Owned everything but Armalite) had play between my uppers and lowers. My RRA locks up like a vault, and standard plastic handguards are rock solid too. I'm honestly quite surprised how well built RRA is, after drinking the cool aid.

That being said, Armalite is aggressively looking to gain back market share with insanely good prices. Armalite's quality is top tier, and sometimes they can be found for B-list prices.
jerz_subbie  [Member]
5/6/2008 3:16:16 AM

Originally Posted By mauiblue:
Welcome to the forum. There are so many different variants of the AR-15 that you need to decide which one you want to go with. I wanted a M4gery (copy of the military M4 carbine) so I went with a Rock River Arms Entry Tactical carbine for my first AR-15 (cost $900). Go and read a bit in this forum, ask some more questions, and then do more research. Have fun shopping for your new AR-15.


+1, wow kinda took the words out of my mouth. I love my RRA entry tact and also got it for about 900 otd.
JohnNYPD  [Member]
5/6/2008 8:53:17 AM
Rock River Arms
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