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 What's considered a "high end" AR?
outtacontrol  [Member]
7/2/2007 4:19:11 PM EST
RRA?
Bushmaster?
Colt?
CMMG?
Stag?
Others?

Give me your thoughts on this topic. Please explain why you think "brand X" is higher-end. I don't want this to be a bashing "brand x" or "brand y" thread - just give your straight-up experience with the particular AR. I'm a newbie to the AR world, and thought I would ask the question.

Thanks in advance.

outta.
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EHilderbrand  [Team Member]
7/2/2007 4:22:49 PM EST
Noveske. The reason being so is the time put into manufacturing, and the fact that they are produced one by one, and by hand is what makes them special.

Assembly line AR's are just that, but don't get me wrong, they run.

It seems like "custom built" seems like the most "High End" you can go, especially when you use premium components. In this case, this is where you can go to the extreme, and outfit your rifle, or carbine with the finest of components. The only thing is, some folks will say you have a mix-master, a bastard rifle, if you wish.

I roll my own.
Soviet  [Team Member]
7/2/2007 5:44:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By klaxxon:

Originally Posted By NFAman:
The highest you can get is an original AR15. The one with the FUN switch.




+1


Any of the fun-switch rifles that cost as much as a Rolex are "high-end" in my book.

What about the Vacheron Constantin of AR15s?

0DDJ0B  [Member]
7/2/2007 6:43:26 PM EST
JP Rifles. I would say that is as high end as it gets. My two cents...
SixEightSPC  [Team Member]
7/2/2007 7:34:24 PM EST
High end in Ar15 world isn't the same as high end in other gun worlds.

High end 1911s, revolvers, bolt guns and so on have many hours into their construction and have lots of fitting.

About the only thing that really sets a precision Ar apart from a combat Ar is the barrel, sights and trigger when you get down to it.
JD42  [Member]
7/2/2007 8:01:39 PM EST
No quite sure if you mean the rifles with the best rep. for reliablity and quality. I would go Colt, LMT, and CMMG. If you are talking about a non-custom type buld.
The_Lone_Ranger  [Member]
7/2/2007 8:44:29 PM EST
High end AR?

Any AR that's made with quality materials and uses quality components in them.

Examples are, but not limited to, are Colt, LMT, or RRA.
Pegasus69  [Member]
7/3/2007 3:28:03 AM EST
If you want a personal recomendation then I would say Fulton Armory. They offer custom builds with a wide variaty of options to choose from, with top shelf performance. They built my AR-15 and I couldn't be happier.
Achilles1  [Member]
7/3/2007 4:49:08 AM EST
Some of your common high end AR's these days that can be had by us common gun nuts are your piston AR's like POF, LWRC, Bushmaster and soon enough LMT with their new piston system coming out. With all the koolaid drinking Colt lust around here if Colt gets their's out and available I'm sure it will be a pretty hot seller too.
Today with more piston .223/5.56 choices available besides AR's though and the Masada and Scar coming somewhere down the road, I think the piston AR's will probably be the only ones to hold there ground against them in the growing demand away from DI AR's and into more piston driven, cleaner running .223/5.56 rifles.

POF-USA.com

LWRC.com

Bushmaster piston

Ultrastealth  [Member]
7/3/2007 5:08:03 AM EST
High end to me would be Wilson Combat, Les Baer, and Barrett.
PCR-00  [Team Member]
7/3/2007 5:26:26 AM EST
Roll your own, spend a LOT of money.

hardwarz  [Member]
7/3/2007 6:03:47 AM EST
I dunno, for me, asking what is a high end AR is like asking what's a high end pick up truck. Granted, some are S10s and some are El Caminos, but they are all just big tools.

Hardwarz
Billmanweh  [Team Member]
7/3/2007 6:09:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By SixEightSPC:
High end in Ar15 world isn't the same as high end in other gun worlds.

High end 1911s, revolvers, bolt guns and so on have many hours into their construction and have lots of fitting.

About the only thing that really sets a precision Ar apart from a combat Ar is the barrel, sights and trigger when you get down to it.


that's interesting. is there nothing on an AR that would benefit substantially from hand fitting?
txgp17  [Team Member]
7/3/2007 6:10:22 AM EST
A custome one, assembled from all the best parts from different places. No one makes the best of everything.
M4builder  [Team Member]
7/3/2007 6:19:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By EHilderbrand:
It seems the way you are thinking "Handbuilt" is each piece machined by hand. I'm not saying that.

What I mean by hand built is that they are assembled one by one, for function, fit, and consistency, and then test fired.

Not to mention, there are many vendors on this board that do this. Jason at JTAC, Denny at GTS, Wes at MSTN. They put time in to their products. That is what I mean by built by hand.

Dude, if you ever watched the FN episode of Weaponology, you'd know that even M-16A4s are hand assembled-one by one, for function, fit, and consistency, and then test fired.
Hand assembly is the standard way of building ARs, there is no machine installing LPKs or barrels. All factories hand assemble, and most test for function, fit, and consistency, and then test fire.
9divdoc  [Team Member]
7/3/2007 7:59:37 AM EST
I'd say anytime a vendor is a high end builder and can get enough product to go through and select out
the better of the parts...and send the ones back he doesnt like for credit...

That's the guy to get your stuff from...
Sigurd  [Team Member]
7/3/2007 8:08:02 AM EST
IMO, the only "high end" ARs are built-to-order custom pieces. Think GTS, MSTN, etc and stuff like JP 3-gun rifles.

I don't consider Wilson Combat (who actually buys Wilson ARs, anyway?) or Fulton Armory (DPMS parts, woohoo!) to be "high end" manufacturers.

A Colt or LMT is not a "high end" rifle, any more than a Glock 17 is a "high end" pistol. They may be "Tier 1" guns, and they are pretty much the best at what they are designed for, but that is not the same as being "high end".

Bushmaster, RRA, Stag, are not even on the radar.
T2  [Team Member]
7/3/2007 8:30:48 AM EST
For me, I still trust my ABC's:

ArmaLite
Bushmaster
Colt



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Sivnet  [Member]
7/3/2007 9:03:41 AM EST
I am recently very much in the same market.

I am looking for a high end combat AR.

Currently have my 1st and only ar from RRA 20" heavy. I know there is no such thing as a true mil-spec (some dimensions are different this and that), but what does get the closest?

Mostly i am looking for more chrome than a kool-aid factory's parking lot.

Correct me if i am wrong on these but here goes
Chrome line barrel, chamber, 1 more thing can't remember the name
Standard trigger, maybe a lighter trigger as long no extra parts are added
Cause of NY plain jane stock with muzzle brake.
16" barrel OR 14.5 with a pinned brake
Definitely M4 in the 6 lbs unloaded range, possibly a3 sights - no scope yet

I mean bushmaster seems like another stamp it and send it down the line place. Wilson combat as you said yuk mostly cause they have match grade. I am not looking for subminute accuracy. I just want a gun i can throw a handful of dirt in it and still run it.

Side note. With the piston systems are they like the ak in they have the same accuracy after 100 yards forget it? Or they can still get ok groupings at like 200?

All i can think of ATM
SixEightSPC  [Team Member]
7/3/2007 10:28:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By Billmanweh:

Originally Posted By SixEightSPC:
High end in Ar15 world isn't the same as high end in other gun worlds.

High end 1911s, revolvers, bolt guns and so on have many hours into their construction and have lots of fitting.

About the only thing that really sets a precision Ar apart from a combat Ar is the barrel, sights and trigger when you get down to it.


that's interesting. is there nothing on an AR that would benefit substantially from hand fitting?


I don't know, is there?

I've never heard of anyone doing it.
Rosenrot  [Team Member]
7/3/2007 10:34:15 AM EST
POF.
Sivnet  [Member]
7/3/2007 2:33:55 PM EST
Rosenrot... SUCH A GOOD NAME. nother rammstein fan found excellent the power grows!
CA_TX-Cop  [Team Member]
7/3/2007 2:56:17 PM EST
I hear "High-end" AR's and the following companies come right to mind:

Sabre Defence
Colt
LMT
Wilson
JP
Les Baer

But my definition of "High-end" doesn't mean BETTER, it just means more expensive. There are several others, ARmalite, Bushmashter, DPMS, CavARms... that in my opinion make products that serve just as well without the "higher end pricing" that the above companies reflect.

Although I do have to admit, Wilson, JP, Les Baer, LMT to make some quality products, I just haven't seen the need to drop that kind of money when I can build myself.

Oh, and Colt is not necessarily because of the actual product, but they go out of their way to "test" each part, which a lot of other manufacturers don't, and that's why several of my bolts and bolt carrier groups are Colt.
M4builder  [Team Member]
7/3/2007 3:11:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sivnet:
I am recently very much in the same market.

I am looking for a high end combat AR.

Currently have my 1st and only ar from RRA 20" heavy. I know there is no such thing as a true mil-spec (some dimensions are different this and that), but what does get the closest?

Mostly i am looking for more chrome than a kool-aid factory's parking lot.

Correct me if i am wrong on these but here goes
Chrome line barrel, chamber, 1 more thing can't remember the name
Standard trigger, maybe a lighter trigger as long no extra parts are added
Cause of NY plain jane stock with muzzle brake.
16" barrel OR 14.5 with a pinned brake
Definitely M4 in the 6 lbs unloaded range, possibly a3 sights - no scope yet

I mean bushmaster seems like another stamp it and send it down the line place. Wilson combat as you said yuk mostly cause they have match grade. I am not looking for subminute accuracy. I just want a gun i can throw a handful of dirt in it and still run it.

Side note. With the piston systems are they like the ak in they have the same accuracy after 100 yards forget it? Or they can still get ok groupings at like 200?

All i can think of ATM

Sounds like your looking for the Colt MT6400C. Has all the features you need, and is roll marked M4 CARBINE for cool factor. I got one and modified it to the current .mil configuration. It is set up from the factory as a ban compliant weapon with a fixed M4 style stock, 16" M4 profile barrel w/ a pinned muzzle brake, flat top M4 marked receiver, and the 15 minute trigger job would fix up any factory trigger pull issues.
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