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 AR-15 Buttstock, What is the best out there?
glockstan  [Member]
5/14/2007 4:05:07 PM EST
What kind of Buttstock do you guys use? FIXED or COLLAPSIBLE, ACE, MAGPULL,A2, A1, RRA, VTOR, SOPMOD ....etc.....any input very appreciated. Also lower carbine receivere xtension tube are they important or not? what is the best xtension tube on market?
Thanks
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BillBond  [Member]
5/14/2007 5:06:21 PM EST
Unless you are going to be a match type shooter get a collapsible stock.
Something with a mil-spec tube.
I like the M4 style as a minimum, and a SOPMOD as the max.

badazzar15  [Team Member]
5/14/2007 5:29:13 PM EST
I like my LMT Sopmod's, The Magpul CTR's are also great.
clasky  [Team Member]
5/14/2007 5:30:30 PM EST
LMT SOPMOD is my favorite.
The_Lone_Ranger  [Member]
5/14/2007 5:54:31 PM EST
I had a chance to compare the LMT SOPMOD and Viltor side by side. That being said i own two Viltors. Don't get me wrong the LMT SOPMOD is a nice stock however so is the Viltor. The Viltors are on average 3/4 inch shorter than a standard carbine stock when fully collpased. The buffer tube goes right to the end in the fully closed position.(just like the CAR Stock but much better made)The LMT SOPMOD is longer than a standard carbine stock. The Viltor has a provision for a quick detach sling swivel. Both have storage compartments of equal size. With the Viltor you can remove one or both storage compartments; if you choose. The LMT Sopmod is 200 bucks. The Viltor is 95 bucks. I love LMT Products as i have an LMT upper and 3 of their BC's. However in this case IMO the Viltor is a smarter choice all the way around.

Again, i'm not degrading in any way the SOPMOD, as i think it is a great well made stock. I just think in this case the Viltor gives you more for less.

r0gue  [Member]
5/14/2007 6:01:00 PM EST
I love my LMT. Positivly cozy cheek weld. VLTORs look cool, and I was considering them too. I just picked LMT cause I got a package deal.
NonConformist  [Team Member]
5/14/2007 6:03:09 PM EST
I love my VLTOR and have heard great things about the MagPul CTR
Weldingrod  [Member]
5/14/2007 6:10:05 PM EST
After using A2, telescoping, Sully, and ARFX-E, I would have to say a military issue A1 stock is my favorite. I got a couple from Rock River arms - they are well used but they fit securely and I like the length.
Tuckahoe64  [Member]
5/14/2007 6:16:04 PM EST

Unless you are going to be a match type shooter get a collapsible stock.
Something with a mil-spec tube.
I like the M4 style as a minimum, and a SOPMOD as the max.


Other than personal preference, why? I mean, I'm not a match type shooter and personally I really cant stand collapsible stocks and really prefer an Ace fixed...
FredMan  [Team Member]
5/14/2007 6:19:32 PM EST
I'm very happy with my CTR. Much better than the standard M4 collapsible.
FMJ  [Team Member]
5/14/2007 6:22:26 PM EST
SOPMOD makes my VLTOR look weak
fishngrits  [Team Member]
5/14/2007 6:22:37 PM EST
If you don't care about storage, get a Magpul CTR. I have two, they're awesome. Cheaper than the SOPMOD and probably the VLTOR.
Mr10anahaf  [Team Member]
5/14/2007 6:27:35 PM EST
While the LMT and Magpul are really nice, if there is an issue of cost for you, I would recommend a standard M4 stock, then add the CAA top saddle. It's around $20.00 and serouisly works wonders. The only down side is it cover up the sling attachment slit. Then again if you go with a single point sling adapter then it's a moot point.

Here's a link.
www.commandarms.com/product.asp?pID=85&cID=57
Dh5007  [Member]
5/14/2007 7:21:49 PM EST
The Colt "CS" marked A1 lenght stock is the best fixed stock out there period. in Fact if anybody wants to get rid of one drop me a line as I need another one.

For a collapsible the LMT SOPMOD is the most comfortable, with the Vltor being the best value in a Collapsible stock.

All of my carbines use the SOPMOD. I prefer my A4gery though and it has the Colt "CS" stock.
tommytrauma  [Team Member]
5/14/2007 8:00:20 PM EST
All the different answers you've been reading provide the answer: The 'best' stock depends on your size, your personal preferences and the intended use for your weapon. It's intersting that no one responding to your question has asked if you were putting together an entry carbine, or a precision varment gun or what. N o one asked how tall you are, whether you have long arms or short, nothing. They just started telling you what was 'best'. It's a great example of why such threads tend to be meaningless.

I've been taking carbine classes for a few years now. one of the things I love about doing so is the chance to try out all sorts of gear before I buy. Something that is "perfect" for one person may be entirely unsuitable for another. The best thing you can do is look for a venue, such as a class, where you can try some different options and find what works best for you.

Edit; BillBond did give a nod to the idea that different applications favor different stocks.
FMJ  [Team Member]
5/15/2007 2:10:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By Mr10anahaf:
While the LMT and Magpul are really nice, if there is an issue of cost for you, I would recommend a standard M4 stock, then add the CAA top saddle. It's around $20.00 and serouisly works wonders. The only down side is it cover up the sling attachment slit. Then again if you go with a single point sling adapter then it's a moot point.

Here's a link.
www.commandarms.com/product.asp?pID=85&cID=57




I wish I did this INSTEAD OF MY VLTOR!

I dont think much of mine

but do love the SOPMOD on mt M4 Defender 2000
FMJ  [Team Member]
5/15/2007 2:13:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Lone_Ranger:
I had a chance to compare the LMT SOPMOD and Viltor side by side. That being said i own two Viltors. Don't get me wrong the LMT SOPMOD is a nice stock however so is the Viltor. The Viltors are on average 3/4 inch shorter than a standard carbine stock when fully collpased. The buffer tube goes right to the end in the fully closed position.(just like the CAR Stock but much better made)The LMT SOPMOD is longer than a standard carbine stock. The Viltor has a provision for a quick detach sling swivel. Both have storage compartments of equal size. With the Viltor you can remove one or both storage compartments; if you choose. The LMT Sopmod is 200 bucks. The Viltor is 95 bucks. I love LMT Products as i have an LMT upper and 3 of their BC's. However in this case IMO the Viltor is a smarter choice all the way around.

Again, i'm not degrading in any way the SOPMOD, as i think it is a great well made stock. I just think in this case the Viltor gives you more for less.




I have a LMT Defender 2000 M4 with SOPMOD

I also have a Bushmaster lower/VLTOR with LMT M4 upper


Id rather have a regular TELESTOCK mil spec and a saddle

Than the VLTOR carbine tele stock

dogcaller  [Member]
5/15/2007 5:53:39 PM EST
I put A1 stocks on everything. Good length and weight. I don't have a use for collapsibles. Too many cons in the pros/cons chart for me.

-relatively flimsy

-moving parts to wear or fall apart

-expense

-I don't need 6 positions if one suits me perfectly

-I don't fight from Bradley Fighting Vehicles or wear 2 layers of vests/armor.
Meowser  [Member]
5/15/2007 6:00:00 PM EST
CTR is my favorite, but I haven't had the money to try Vltor, LMT, or a lot of other brands. Ace is pretty darn good too.
gunnut003  [Member]
5/15/2007 7:59:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dh5007:
The Colt "CS" marked A1 lenght stock is the best fixed stock out there period. in Fact if anybody wants to get rid of one drop me a line as I need another one.

For a collapsible the LMT SOPMOD is the most comfortable, with the Vltor being the best value in a Collapsible stock.

All of my carbines use the SOPMOD. I prefer my A4gery though and it has the Colt "CS" stock.


..Me too.
The_Lone_Ranger  [Member]
5/15/2007 8:17:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By FMJ:

Originally Posted By Mr10anahaf:
While the LMT and Magpul are really nice, if there is an issue of cost for you, I would recommend a standard M4 stock, then add the CAA top saddle. It's around $20.00 and serouisly works wonders. The only down side is it cover up the sling attachment slit. Then again if you go with a single point sling adapter then it's a moot point.

Here's a link.
www.commandarms.com/product.asp?pID=85&cID=57




I wish I did this INSTEAD OF MY VLTOR!

I dont think much of mine

but do love the SOPMOD on mt M4 Defender 2000


I have both a stock saddle(like the one in your link) and a Viltor. Although the stock saddle provides storage(not as much as the Viltor) the Viltor, IMO is much nicer.
I love the compactness and the provision for a quick detach sling swivel.
Billmanweh  [Team Member]
5/15/2007 9:32:38 PM EST
I've tried to check out almost everything and have SOPMODS on all 3 of my ARs
FMJ  [Team Member]
5/16/2007 1:11:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
I've tried to check out almost everything and have SOPMODS on all 3 of my ARs


Smart man


I would also use a ACE Fixed Shorty stock or that other one I forgot the model maybe socom
QUIB  [Team Member]
5/16/2007 1:18:18 AM EST
FMJ  [Team Member]
5/16/2007 1:25:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By QUIB:
img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Metroliner/ARMS.jpg



YES QUIB I love YOUR M4

Looks like my Defender M414.5 with KAC RAS ML2 sopmod

Right down to TAPE on USGI Mags

SCARY
ecgRN  [Team Member]
5/16/2007 1:28:14 AM EST
+1 on the A1.
Blanco_Diablo  [Member]
5/16/2007 1:31:19 AM EST
I like the added length of the M4 stock.
QUIB  [Team Member]
5/16/2007 1:34:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By FMJ:

Originally Posted By QUIB:
img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Metroliner/ARMS.jpg



YES QUIB I love YOUR M4

Looks like my Defender M414.5 with KAC RAS ML2 sopmod

Right down to TAPE on USGI Mags

SCARY





Am I not to post pics because YOU'VE seen them before?
MEDIC-0372  [Member]
5/16/2007 3:31:57 AM EST
I like the Cav Arms A-1 length Butt stock... http://www.cavalryarms.com/C1.html

Here's mine...

TheMocoMan  [Team Member]
5/16/2007 3:59:16 AM EST
This pretty much sums it up for me!

JTAC Supply - AR10,AR15,M16,and M4 Custom Rifles
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Order Number: 821
Date Ordered: Tuesday 15 May, 2007
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1 x SOPMOD Stock (LMTSOPMOD) = $198.00
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Sub-Total: $198.00
Flat Rate (Best Way): $5.00
Total: $203.00
rickdawggg  [Team Member]
5/16/2007 4:00:37 AM EST
I really like my VLTOR, I almost sprang for the SOPMOD but then I compared prices, and figured the VLTOR was the better deal....no complaints about it, and it has taken a beating and kept goin...

Unka-Boo  [Member]
5/16/2007 4:32:34 AM EST



I find the Vltor to be one of, if not the most comfortable stocks I have used. It's very hard to beat for under $100. Heck, even Dora and Boots think it's great...

Jakezor  [Team Member]
5/16/2007 5:11:38 AM EST
I like the Sully stock. Great length for nearly anyone that I've seen shoot one, and it helps balance the rifle. Only thing is the standard butt pad is slick plastic, I'd like to swap in a rubber one so it wouldn't slide around at all.
Rcd567  [Team Member]
5/16/2007 5:28:35 AM EST
I prefer this one.
antwon412  [Member]
5/16/2007 5:55:47 AM EST
i have a magul ctr and think its the cats meow. looks great, fits gret and is super snug when locked into place. no rattles at all.
eddymunster  [Member]
5/16/2007 6:17:50 AM EST
Just ordered the LMT SOPMOD from Rainier Arms.
DemonLoneWolf  [Member]
5/16/2007 6:23:59 AM EST
VLTOR and Magpul.
ME2112  [Member]
5/16/2007 7:11:39 PM EST
A fixed buttstock. You get a better cheek weld without having to add a saddle, and the collapsible stocks only save you a couple inches when collapsed. I prefer the A2 style for the longer length of pull and think it has a better buttplate than the A1's.
DemonLoneWolf  [Member]
5/16/2007 7:22:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By ME2112:
A fixed buttstock. You get a better cheek weld without having to add a saddle, and the collapsible stocks only save you a couple inches when collapsed. I prefer the A2 style for the longer length of pull and think it has a better buttplate than the A1's.


I disagree! Cheek weld is not as important (depending on optic being used) as length of pull and overall comfort. Fixed buttstock is not comfortable to me at all.
ecgRN  [Team Member]
5/16/2007 7:26:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By ME2112:
A fixed buttstock. You get a better cheek weld without having to add a saddle, and the collapsible stocks only save you a couple inches when collapsed. I prefer the A2 style for the longer length of pull and think it has a better buttplate than the A1's.


I put an A2 plate on my A1. Much mo' betta.
The_Lone_Ranger  [Member]
5/16/2007 8:08:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By rickdawggg:
I really like my VLTOR, I almost sprang for the SOPMOD but then I compared prices, and figured the VLTOR was the better deal....no complaints about it, and it has taken a beating and kept goin...

i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/rickdawggg/IMG_1089.jpg



Nice stock! I gots to get me one of those! Wait a minute; i have two!
V-Rod  [Team Member]
5/16/2007 8:37:43 PM EST
The CRT is the best value, period....

LMT SOPMOD is very nice, best shit, 200 bones for a stock. I just don't see the point unless I'm a professional or in the theater
lsujim  [Team Member]
5/16/2007 9:55:40 PM EST
I went with an LMT SOPMOD because of the padding on the end.
KA3B  [Team Member]
5/17/2007 12:34:35 AM EST
Fixed: A1 stock

Adjustable: LMT SOPMOD

Wating for the Magpul UBR to come out.
M4A2_L073754  [Member]
5/17/2007 1:30:04 AM EST
So far I have owned / tested following stocks:

A2 (#1, tested and proven)
RRA /BM 6 pos. fiberite (flimsy, noisy)
Magpul M93B (something different)
VLTOR Std. (too short)
VLTOR Clubfoot (too short)
Colt Type II M4 (#2 choice after LMT SOPMOD)
Colt CS (#2 after A2)
Magpul PRS (excellent stock for bench rest)
Cavalry Arms A1 length (geebus why did they even bother?)
Magpul CTR (very nice looking stock for very light SBR)
LMT SOPMOD (clearly #1 adjustable stock)

I like(d) them all but there is only few what I can recommend, LMT SOPMOD, Magpul PRS and last but not least standard A2. These 3 stocks are easily above all.

For the carbine receiver extension I recommend LMT SOPMOD 6 pos. Accepts all mil spec sized stocks and sure is best tube on the market, IMO.

my 02

MN
Ghost-Tracker  [Member]
5/17/2007 10:47:54 AM EST
I don't wear body armor killing coyotes (until they start shootin' back) so a full length, fixed stock offers the best cheek weld, stability, and length of pull for me. Especially since the the carbine stocks only retract 2" or so. There's not enough benefit to them for the compromise of them in my AR applicatiions.

I've become a fan of the ACE skeleton (full length). There's a bit of LOP flexability with various butt pads available. They're stout, provide good balance (with my 18" bull-barrel) and allow several sling-point options.

I bought mine off the Equipment Exchange (very slightly used) with buffer tube, spring & buffer for $75 shipped. Couldn't be happier.
CA_TX-Cop  [Team Member]
5/17/2007 11:00:00 AM EST
As already stated, personal preference and use come into play.

I like the Cavalry Arms MK 2 lowers, which simulate the A1 stock length.

I also have 1 Colt A1 fixed stock that I will NEVER get rid of, it's always been on one of my guns for over 20 years.

I recently have added an ACE collapsible (m4?) to my collection, and it's matched up with a midlength 16" Armalite chrome lined upper. I enjoy it because it's comfortable and light and it just "feels" good to me, but I keep it one notch shorter than full-extension because I'm usually wearing a vest.

I picked up a VLTOR stock in a trade deal and now have THAT mounted onto a RRA 16" midlength with FF flat-top because I have both a flashlight and an Eotech on it, and the VLTOR gives me room to store extra batteries for both.

try several, ask your friends, and then buy the one you like best and is going to do what you want it to do...

ETA: IN response to the buttplates, I also have switched out the plastic/rubber ones that come on my Cavalry Arms for the A2 buttplates, same with my A1 stock.
TheMocoMan  [Team Member]
5/18/2007 3:29:17 AM EST
SOPMOD! Woot!
WhyNotDev8  [Member]
5/19/2007 1:44:45 PM EST
does anyone know if the the SOPMOD can be fitted for left handed shooters?
Alpha-Romeo3  [Team Member]
5/19/2007 2:53:43 PM EST
Most users will use their personal preference and purpose of their AR.

I like different stocks because of the AR's use and then my preference.

For close work I like my Magpul CTR and Vltor CAR Modstock.

At medium ranges I like my Vltor club foot Modstock and A2 buttstocks.

I also liked my former Colt CS marked A1 length buttstock on my former Colt Lightweight carbine.
JJREA  [Member]
5/19/2007 2:54:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By dogcaller:
I put A1 stocks on everything. Good length and weight. I don't have a use for collapsibles. Too many cons in the pros/cons chart for me.

-relatively flimsy

-moving parts to wear or fall apart

-expense

-I don't need 6 positions if one suits me perfectly

-I don't fight from Bradley Fighting Vehicles or wear 2 layers of vests/armor.


+1, if you're not wearing armour the A1 stock is the best length. Although it is best with A2 type construction with an A2 butt. Of course this is just an opinion of a recreational shooter.
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