Originally Posted By 030:
We do have some new suppressor offerings. 10 to 14 dB is bullshit. Heavy and durable the NT-4 /M4QD is. It is a 15 yr old or more design. It has taken us that long to come up with something better. The legacy design was made to be a service suppressor and the lighter weight designs out there don't do as well in these types of conditions. There are some 70,000 m4qd/nt-4s out there until another suppressor gets fielded to that degree i dont think a fair comparison can be made.Stay tuned for more info on our new designs.

Originally Posted By coctailer:


Will your new designs be able to mount up to your current flash hiders?

Originally Posted By WhyNotDev8:
To my knowledge the current Triple Tap will not work with the new line of suppressors.

Originally Posted By KevinB:
MAMS - Multi-Axis Muzzle Stability –– its is a muzzle brake, with much less flash and blast than other muzzle brakes.
The MAMS is also a Suppressor Mount for our new QDC suppressor family.

Originally Posted By BriggsRi:
I have first hand experience with KAC, AAC, & Surfire suppressors and I can tell you that the NT-4 will not dissapoint. All three suppressors have slightly different sound signatures. If at all possible, try before you buy!

I like my current NT-4 so well that I have a second one on it's way!

Originally Posted By ATACORION:
I really dig my Can for my SR-25.
its a bit long but the weight isnt that big a deal, and it reduces felt recoil so much i am willing to accept the length and weight t adds to the gun. Its serious quiet aswell
http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww166/atacorion/DSC_0005-vi.jpg

Originally Posted By ATACORION:
I really dig my Can for my SR-25.
its a bit long but the weight isnt that big a deal, and it reduces felt recoil so much i am willing to accept the length and weight t adds to the gun. Its serious quiet aswell
http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww166/atacorion/DSC_0005-vi.jpg

Originally Posted By Stottman:


The internet commandoness of this photo made me laugh.

Originally Posted By ATACORION:
I really dig my Can for my SR-25.
its a bit long but the weight isnt that big a deal, and it reduces felt recoil so much i am willing to accept the length and weight t adds to the gun. Its serious quiet aswell
http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww166/atacorion/DSC_0005-vi.jpg

Originally Posted By Stottman:


The internet commandoness of this photo made me laugh.

Originally Posted By Stottman:
Really, you are going to send me an email about this? What are you, 12?

I laughed because of the combo of:


$10,000 worth of rifle/add ons set up as a tool, but looks like it just came out of the box. No scratches, no tie downs, etc.


very public shooting range with bench, cover, warning signs.

middle aged white guy in the background, with family sedan and SUV.

fresh out of the laundry shemagh; Like you are downrange and need to protect from the sun. Thats what really tied the picture together, and made me laugh.

Originally Posted By Stottman:
Really, you are going to send me an email about this? What are you, 12?

I laughed because of the combo of:


$10,000 worth of rifle/add ons set up as a tool, but looks like it just came out of the box. No scratches, no tie downs, etc.


very public shooting range with bench, cover, warning signs.

middle aged white guy in the background, with family sedan and SUV.

fresh out of the laundry shemagh; Like you are downrange and need to protect from the sun. Thats what really tied the picture together, and made me laugh.

Originally Posted By new-arguy:


Don't know who you are or what you do. You may be a door kicker, you might be a teenage punk giving your thumbs a rest from playing Xbox. I really don't know. For what I'm about to say, it really doesn't make a difference if you're one or the other or somewhere in between. Here are some facts to accompany the photo you felt the need to share your thoughts on.

1) the weapon looks new because it *is* (somewhat) new. In fact, at the time the photo was taken, the owner ATACORION, had not even taken possession of the silencer. I am the dealer and had to bring it with me for him to shoot. It's probably the first time he shot with it. The rifle is possibly a few months older than that and has been shot a little more, but when you get deployed to Afghanistan for 4 and 6 months at a time, it makes it tough to shoot your own guns as much as you like.

2) Full disclosure, yeah, Sam is deployed right now, but I'm not trying to drop the fact that he is to make it out like he's some high speed lo drag military trigger puller. But the fact is he does his job, his job is needed, and he has served and is serving and protecting Americans and allies right now and has been for longer than I've known him.

3) covered ranges with clean shemags? Really? Really? So if the photo were taken with the rifle out in the sun with a dirty rag that would somehow legitimize it more? This photo was taken at a public range during a public even. It was the Mk12 shoot in DeLand, FL this past May. And it was literally 100 degrees. Great event that I'm glad people came out to. For what it's worth, Sam and the gun took 1st place in one of the three competitive events held that day.

4) the middle aged guy in the background is Jim, who, coincidentally probably spent more years in the US Navy than a sizable portion of our website have been alive. With close to 30 years in, he retired a couple years ago, primarily because the job he did has left him with more of a fake spine than a real one. Again, full disclosure, Jim was not trigger puller either. Just another Navy guy doing a job that needed to be done for more than half his life time. A job that has left him unable to even shoot for most of the event the photo was taken at, because his spine injuries make it very difficult for him to get up and down from the prone shooting position. Still, he was there having a good time shooting his MK12 having a great time. We are sorry if his age and appearance in this photo contributed to it's Internet commando nature or didn't meet your Internet photo legitimacy test.

5) I don't see the minivan in the back, I do see my own (silver) rental car. My real car is much tougher looking than that (), but It had recently been hit by a deer. I don't know who the other car in the photo belongs to. Maybe we should have made sure to have only giant trucks, coincidentally, like the one Sam drives in the background so as to appear more "legitimate" to the likes of you.

6) even the god damn picture was taken by a Marine Infantryman. So take your judgmental, wholly uninformed remarks, which have absolutely nothing to do with the OPs question, and think on the above for a while. M'kay?

Back on topic, OP, if you want to get a new suppressor, I'd hold on for just a short bit. As has been mentioned, KAC has some new designs coming to market. Much of the suppressors people consider to be the very best on the market copy KACs 15 year old design and even though the NT4 is not as quiet (while still being quiet) and is heavier than some (yet lighter than some), anything new they will come out with will absolutely be worth looking at.

KAC is an innovator in our industry. Anytime they come out with something new, much of the rest of the industry takes notice, and in many (MANY) cases, copies it in some form or fashion. The fact that the old NT4 design we are discussing is still considered to be among one the best 556 silencers on the market when it's been around longer than some of it's competition has even been in business may hint towards what we might expect from a new design from them.

And to the best of my knowledge, and from what little I have seen, no, the new designs do not work on any of the old mounts.

PS, typed all on a phone. Please forgive any typos.

Originally Posted By new-arguy:


Don't know who you are or what you do. You may be a door kicker, you might be a teenage punk giving your thumbs a rest from playing Xbox. I really don't know. For what I'm about to say, it really doesn't make a difference if you're one or the other or somewhere in between. Here are some facts to accompany the photo you felt the need to share your thoughts on.

1) the weapon looks new because it *is* (somewhat) new. In fact, at the time the photo was taken, the owner ATACORION, had not even taken possession of the silencer. I am the dealer and had to bring it with me for him to shoot. It's probably the first time he shot with it. The rifle is possibly a few months older than that and has been shot a little more, but when you get deployed to Afghanistan for 4 and 6 months at a time, it makes it tough to shoot your own guns as much as you like.

2) Full disclosure, yeah, Sam is deployed right now, but I'm not trying to drop the fact that he is to make it out like he's some high speed lo drag military trigger puller. But the fact is he does his job, his job is needed, and he has served and is serving and protecting Americans and allies right now and has been for longer than I've known him.

3) covered ranges with clean shemags? Really? Really? So if the photo were taken with the rifle out in the sun with a dirty rag that would somehow legitimize it more? This photo was taken at a public range during a public even. It was the Mk12 shoot in DeLand, FL this past May. And it was literally 100 degrees. Great event that I'm glad people came out to. For what it's worth, Sam and the gun took 1st place in one of the three competitive events held that day.

4) the middle aged guy in the background is Jim, who, coincidentally probably spent more years in the US Navy than a sizable portion of our website have been alive. With close to 30 years in, he retired a couple years ago, primarily because the job he did has left him with more of a fake spine than a real one. Again, full disclosure, Jim was not trigger puller either. Just another Navy guy doing a job that needed to be done for more than half his life time. A job that has left him unable to even shoot for most of the event the photo was taken at, because his spine injuries make it very difficult for him to get up and down from the prone shooting position. Still, he was there having a good time shooting his MK12 having a great time. We are sorry if his age and appearance in this photo contributed to it's Internet commando nature or didn't meet your Internet photo legitimacy test.

5) I don't see the minivan in the back, I do see my own (silver) rental car. My real car is much tougher looking than that (), but It had recently been hit by a deer. I don't know who the other car in the photo belongs to. Maybe we should have made sure to have only giant trucks, coincidentally, like the one Sam drives in the background so as to appear more "legitimate" to the likes of you.

6) even the god damn picture was taken by a Marine Infantryman. So take your judgmental, wholly uninformed remarks, which have absolutely nothing to do with the OPs question, and think on the above for a while. M'kay?

Originally Posted By new-arguy:
...And to the best of my knowledge, and from what little I have seen, no, the new designs do not work on any of the old mounts...

Originally Posted By Tallyho74:
Maybe this has been covered but will a triple tap work with the new generation of suppressors coming out or just the current versions
?

Originally Posted By BigHat:

No, not the new ones.

Originally Posted By dangerdan:


IIRC, the new suppressors with the NT4 style mount will work, but not the new MAMS

Originally Posted By EAB:
I asked this question a while back; I was told at the time that they are making a new generation of suppressors which use a gate lock attachment with a new mount but they will fit on the M4QD FH - the caveat was they were going to be .mil / LEO only. The new line of QD suppressors would use the new FH or MAMS mounts and not fit on TT's or M4QD - and they would be available. I'll see if I can dig that post up, but it was probably on another site.

Oh, and the NT4 is still a great can. It sounds awesome and it's durable.

Originally Posted By KevinB:
We have a number of new suppressors.

Right now we are being very cautious on commercial release, we have made some gov inspired changes to some items, and delivering other items to the gov, so we are not at the point we can comitt to commercial suppressor sales at this time.


I will say the QDC suppressors are very slick, and in my personal opinion are a worthwhile upgrade to the older NT-4 style designs.

Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049:
Does this mean there could be a price drop on the NT4 when the new ones come out?

Originally Posted By jBoy723:


Only Thing I would ask is that KAC please consider releasing the Gate Lock version to the civi market when the time does come since there are probably a huge amount of M4QD and a smaller percentage of TTB's out there already..

Originally Posted By osha:


Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?

Originally Posted By damcv62:


Not sure why you'd think there would be a price drop, it hasn't gotten any cheaper to make them. If anything, consumables are more expensive, ergo, prices should go up.