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 Anyone deactivate the grip safety's on their 1911s?
Katman6360  [Member]
5/16/2009 2:46:11 AM
Does anyone deactivate the grip safety's on their 1911s? I know you shouldnt have to..but lately when shooting fast I have noticed that the grip safety doesnt always engage when I go to fire my first round. I know alot of texas rangers back in the day would tie a piece of twine around the grip to hold the safety in. I saw a product that replaced the grip safety with a solid piece that deactivated the safety once....but cant find it now. What do you guys think about those? Does WILSON have anything that deactivates it?
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Ken914  [Team Member]
5/16/2009 3:07:33 AM


Sounds like you're more worried about shooting fast than proper technique?

Sell your 1911 and buy a Gluck.
MonkeyGrip  [Team Member]
5/16/2009 3:28:12 AM
Yes, but only on a certain pistol, and it happens to be my competition gun.
But I wouldn't hesitate to do it on any gun. I have long, somewhat skinny hands.
My grip tends to bridge over the grip safety in some instances.
I do a lot of action pistol shooting BTW, and have proved this to be the case, as have many others.


The grip safety only provides "safety" against very weird scenarios.
Think about it. The grip safety protects you from pulling the trigger
when the thumb safety is off,
and you're not holding the grip.

I can easily live without that.
53vortec  [Team Member]
5/16/2009 7:14:59 AM
It was a pretty common mod back before grip safeties with extra material at the bottom were around. I'm not aware of Wilson making anything to deactivate it - Novak, however, has "The Answer" package that eliminates the grip safety and makes the MSH up to the beavertail one integral unit.

As an aside, I only know of one Ranger that tied his down (with thin leather, actually, not twine) after failing to be able to make his 1911 fire during a struggle.
Pacodutaco  [Team Member]
5/16/2009 7:52:05 AM
I did it on a comp gun years ago. I wouldn't suggest it for any other reason. If you're having trouble engaging the grip safety you can replace it with one that has an extended grip area for a more positive engagement. It is never a really good idea to disable any safety.
snaggletooth1925  [Team Member]
5/16/2009 9:28:59 AM
I looked into this when i decided i wanted a 191. I dont have a great deal of funds to drop on the 1911 i wanted o i never got it. The Novak answer is very expensive. I havee heard of people have a roll pin installed on the pistol that holds the grip safety down.
davev  [Member]
5/16/2009 9:45:10 AM
The first thing I do on a 1911 is de-activate the grip safety. It only slows you down a fraction of a second when you miss your grip, but it really screws with your mind–– and you'll have a bad stage.

It's a simple fix to grind off the small tab on the grip safety that engages the function.

And you can always change out the grip safety if you sell or want to carry the 1911. They are cheap
Maryland_Shooter  [Team Member]
5/16/2009 1:58:38 PM
Uh no - mine works just like it's supposed to; JMB would not be amused.
53vortec  [Team Member]
5/16/2009 2:14:47 PM
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Uh no - mine works just like it's supposed to; JMB would not be amused.


I seriously doubt that a man who made a good portion of his living tinkering with designs would take offense at someone tinkering with a design.
fourteenpointfive  [Team Member]
5/16/2009 5:27:37 PM
Originally Posted By 53vortec:
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Uh no - mine works just like it's supposed to; JMB would not be amused.


I seriously doubt that a man who made a good portion of his living tinkering with designs would take offense at someone tinkering with a design.


Plus didn't he add the safeties as part of a gov't requirement? I might be totally wrong but I thought I heard that.
Katman6360  [Member]
5/19/2009 4:30:30 AM
Originally Posted By Ken914:


Sounds like you're more worried about shooting fast than proper technique?

Sell your 1911 and buy a Gluck.


I have had glocks...not bad guns but not for me.
As for worried about shooting fast. Your damn Skippy!! I dont know too many gun fights where guys had lots of time to worry bout perfect grip. When your inside 7-10 yards I dont care if I have a perfect grip. I want my bullets hitting him before his hit me. In a gun fight if you have time for a perfect grip everytime and are absolutely sure you have one...your not shooting fast enough. (Out past 25 yards I start to worry about that things like GRIP and STANCE and FRONT SIGHT FOCUS....7-10 yards is about speed). Now dont get me wrong in practice I strive to get that good grip...but when your shooting fast under stress and pressure...you dont get it every time. So a grip safety deactivation to eliminate one more potential Hiccup...Im ok with.
Been carrying a 1911 18 hours a day for 10 years. Never had reason to feel I needed that grip safety anyway.
Katman6360  [Member]
5/19/2009 4:33:52 AM
Originally Posted By 53vortec:
It was a pretty common mod back before grip safeties with extra material at the bottom were around. I'm not aware of Wilson making anything to deactivate it - Novak, however, has "The Answer" package that eliminates the grip safety and makes the MSH up to the beavertail one integral unit.

As an aside, I only know of one Ranger that tied his down (with thin leather, actually, not twine) after failing to be able to make his 1911 fire during a struggle.


I think "the Anwser" is exactly what the doctor ordered. Good Call Brother.
MonkeyGrip  [Team Member]
5/19/2009 3:04:54 PM
Originally Posted By Katman6360:
Originally Posted By 53vortec:
It was a pretty common mod back before grip safeties with extra material at the bottom were around. I'm not aware of Wilson making anything to deactivate it - Novak, however, has "The Answer" package that eliminates the grip safety and makes the MSH up to the beavertail one integral unit.

As an aside, I only know of one Ranger that tied his down (with thin leather, actually, not twine) after failing to be able to make his 1911 fire during a struggle.


I think "the Anwser" is exactly what the doctor ordered. Good Call Brother.


Novak doesn't actually sell... "The Answer".
That was a custom mod done for one customer.
Go ahead and file the little tab down on your grip safety so it doesn't block the trigger anymore.
It's real easy to do, and you can just get another grip safety if you don't like it.
53vortec  [Team Member]
5/19/2009 3:28:13 PM
Originally Posted By MonkeyGrip:
Originally Posted By Katman6360:
Originally Posted By 53vortec:
It was a pretty common mod back before grip safeties with extra material at the bottom were around. I'm not aware of Wilson making anything to deactivate it - Novak, however, has "The Answer" package that eliminates the grip safety and makes the MSH up to the beavertail one integral unit.

As an aside, I only know of one Ranger that tied his down (with thin leather, actually, not twine) after failing to be able to make his 1911 fire during a struggle.


I think "the Anwser" is exactly what the doctor ordered. Good Call Brother.


Novak doesn't actually sell... "The Answer".
That was a custom mod done for one customer.
Go ahead and file the little tab down on your grip safety so it doesn't block the trigger anymore.
It's real easy to do, and you can just get another grip safety if you don't like it.


While I agree that modding the grip safety is the cheaper and easier solution, please see the following link in regards to you statement that Novak doesn't sell "The Answer."

http://www.novaksights.com/1911.htm#ANSWER%C2%AE_Installation

For that matter, the "first" Answer was actually a pair of pistols for a father and daughter.
Katman6360  [Member]
5/24/2009 3:20:47 AM
Has anyone priced "the Anwser" If I read that thing right is like 600 bucks....thats a lil salty for that modification isnt it?
53vortec  [Team Member]
5/24/2009 3:38:46 AM
Originally Posted By Katman6360:
Has anyone priced "the Anwser" If I read that thing right is like 600 bucks....thats a lil salty for that modification isnt it?


It's $730 if you want just the Answer package. When you consider the amount of work that has to go into fabbing that piece, along with the fact that they're the only ones around offering such a mod, the price isn't surprising.
mo98  [Team Member]
5/24/2009 2:54:27 PM
IIRC the answer is about 125. I called about a year ago to see if they just sold the part. They said they had to install it.
Katman6360  [Member]
5/27/2009 3:42:45 AM
So which is it 730 or 125? Id spring for the 125 for all my 1911s....730 Im back to a leather strap...lol
53vortec  [Team Member]
5/27/2009 4:26:43 AM
Originally Posted By Katman6360:
So which is it 730 or 125? Id spring for the 125 for all my 1911s....730 Im back to a leather strap...lol


Novak's Custom
Firearms Dept.
304-485-9295

Let us know what they say.
Katman6360  [Member]
5/27/2009 8:07:33 PM
PER NOVAKS
500-600 depending on how much work it takes to blend the anwser the grip/frame...plus u have to have it refinished afterwards....so your talking 700 plus probably
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