Haters need not reply

I wanted to run a thread for people who love their POF rifles, and have had nothing but excellent performance from them, or if you had a minor problem and POF took care of you the way they should.

My 415 RECON has been nothing but superb. My rifle is a Gen 3 but pre- NP3 coatings. From my first trips to the range, my rifle showed minimal wear from the stock cam pin, no carrier tilt and has thus far digested all types of 5.56 ammuntion. It's capable of 4" groups at 100yards off a sandbag with iron sights. If my rifle has a fault, it's the tight tolerance in the magwell. However, 30 seconds per pmag and some emery cloth fixes that issue.

My favorite mod to my rifle has been the Spikes ST-T2 buffer. And God Bless Magpul!

Lets hear from the rest of the POF fans!

Check "AR piston systems" in the AR-15 forum.........."POF 2500rd report" thread, page 5..............Im not sure how to link the thread here, but this is my experience

I absolutely love my P-308 20" SPR!!! I have upgraded the stock from the EMod to a Magpul PRS to better balance the rifle with the longer barrel and when running with a can. I also upgraded to a 308 roller cam pin. Accuracy with my reloads and with commercial match ammo, the rifle is easily sub-MOA. Before upgrade...I shot approx. 400 rounds with only a few problems which were all mag-related and had ZERO to do with the rifle itself (couple of out-of-spec DPMS mags/feedlips). After upgrade of the stock and cam pin and ditching the bad mags...I have over 500 more flawless rounds. I am running the LR20 PMAGs exclusively now which have been amazing. While I realize that only 1,000 rounds is not long-term use and in no way a "torture test" of the weapon system...I am confident in my rifle's performance and would trust my life (or my hunt) to it without question. I couldn't be more pleased with my POF!!!

As for positive CS experiences...I was one of the first to receive a 308 roller cam pin when they were released for sale. Some of the first run (200 or so) did not have a chamfered edge opposite the roller and would not fully seat in some bolt carriers. I posted about this, e-mailed and PM'd with POF, and I had a response and identification of the problem within a very reasonable time. I received a new, chamfered roller cam pin within a few days with POF's humblest apologies. I couldn't have asked for a more from any company out there...Doug and crew were just fantastic to work with!!

I love my POF 16" P4X in 5.56! I have never had any FTFs or FTEs with mine. I did notice some carrier tilt after about 1000rds. I had a tilt marred commercial tube and wanted to swap to a mil spec tube anyway. I ordered and installed one of OTSS' anti tilt buffers, a SSS flat spring and a new mil spec tube from Bravo Co. Man, this thing runs like a champ! No tilt marks on my new tube, and it shoots smoother than it ever has. I wish POF would include an anti tilt buffer from the factory. I know other piston AR makers are going the bolt carrier chamfer/ski pad route, but I don't think that is the good solution. The anti tilt buffer is the only way to fix the tilt issue completely - either that or get an XCR

Pretty quiet . No other happy owners?

So far so great with mine.

I've got two, an 11.5" and a 14.5". I shoot them full auto and am very happy with them.

I have had the P-308-20" since last October, and have had no problems, probably have no more than about 500 rounds down the tube, but so far so good!!!

I have never had an issue with my P-308 jamming or really having any other problem stopping my gun from functioning. I did have one stuck case when I was using some 1980's South African surplus, but I stopped using old ammo and have stuck to match grade stuff and my gun has not had any issues since.

I did have a problem with carrier tilt, it was hitting the buffer tube pretty hard so I had to send it back to POF twice, the first time they replaced the BCG and the second time the whole upper. Now it works without a hitch and has just a tad of carrier tilt. I have shot many SUB MOA 5 shot groups at 100 yards and I have done several 1/2 MOA groups but I am not as consistent with that since I am still a novice shooter.

I would buy another but after putting nearly $5k into mine with a NF scope, atlas bipod, etc, etc my wife would kill me if I bought another.

213 views and 8 responses. I have to wonder how many viewers are actual POF owners?

I'm a viewer and owner just waiting on more satisfied POF peeps to chime in.

I love mine.

Love my POF .223. Never a hicup and super easy to clean. Also very accurate. Use it in 3 gun matches and just having fun at the range.

Shot a .308 version a few times at matches, to include this past weekend at the AZ TPRC which POF donated 4 rifles to the prize table and also other monies for the match. I really want to get a .308 also.

Took a tour of the POF facility while in Phoenix and the attention to detail and work they put into their products is unbelievable.

I'm a POF owner, I want to be objective so I'm waiting to comment. I've sent my POF 20" 308 upper back to see if they can fix the feed issues. I have tried adjusting the feed lip on the mag's but I still have issues. I don't hate them, I just don't think a $1800 upper should have any "feed" issues at all. For that price I should be able to use any mag even if "out of spec" slightly. For Christ sake's the mag's work in other rifles "out of spec."

Do a search on here. Your statement is inaccurate. Many of the 308 AR Platform rifles are more prone to bad mags than the 556 versions. It has been addressed even in the POF forum several times.

I love my 308. Sub MOA performance and no malfunctions.

It seems like a lot of people on here had their feed issues solved by running the new LR20 PMAGs... I personally never had an issue with feeding in my P-308, I used 10rd c-products and 10rd KAC mags. The KAC mags are the cats pajamas.... but they are $100 + each.

I bought a 16" .223 upper to replace my LaRue that locked up on me. Very accurate (sub .75 5 shot) with 68 gr. Black Hills., and flawless functioning. Use a suppressor 100% of the time. Best upper I've used except that the rails are too wide/shaped wrong. I use a Bushmaster lower with PMAGS.

Bought a 20" P-308 rifle a couple weeks ago. Using PMAGs and a suppressor. Haven't shot for accuracy with match ammo yet, with german surplus it shoots around 1.5-2 moa for 5 shots which is great. I'm sure it will be well under sub moa with Hornady 168 AMAX's. I've had a few problems with feeding and extracting, but I think that is because the can makes the chamber dirty. I use a chamber brush on my .223 and have no prblems. I guess I need to start using one on the .308. Rails are too wide/shaped wrong.

Things I don't like about the POF:
-High sight rail, but I guess that is what you get when you go piston.
-FTF/FTE on the 7.62x51.
-oversized rails. I have to adjust my LaRue and Surefire mounts much looser to get them to fit. My ARMS mount for my GenIII PVS/4 hardly goes on the upper. Also someone decided to cut the space between the rails, so LaRue mounts don' t mount well.

-dan

Edit for spelling

What type of buffer are you running?

I have a POF 415 that I bought new back in 2008. I have about 800 rounds through it so far. First range session, I was having some FTEs (failure to extract) about 2-3 in
every 30rd mag. I thought it was just a break-in process. After 400 rounds of testing, I decided to add a Defender "D" ring around the extractor and I haven't had any problems
since.

Another problem I had was that the nut at the rear of the gas block did not have any Loctite applied and it completely worked itself loose. Also, no Loctite applied on the
screws to Predator rail caused the rail to shift about a quarter inch forward. I do have the cam pin gouge in my upper and it almost looks like it's going to eat its way through
the other side of my upper.

I don't know how much worse it can get and don't know if getting a new roller cam pin would help. Other than that, it has been reliable and
accurate but for a $2,000.00 AR, I would have expected better quality control from the factory. I don't plan to sell it but I am looking at purchasing another piston upper from
a different company for a spare.

Do a search on here. Your statement is inaccurate. Many of the 308 AR Platform rifles are more prone to bad mags than the 556 versions. It has been addressed even in the POF forum several times.

I love my 308. Sub MOA performance and no malfunctions.


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I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the heads up. But Ive still had issues even after the adjustments. I spent allot of time adjusting the feed lips and I think I did a pretty good job at it and still seemed to have issues. The round looks like it's still catching at the base of the feed ramp where it meets the the upper receiver, I raised and angled the round as much as I can without striking the bottom of the bolt. I've tried both DPMS and C-products.

I'll have to look in my receipts, I cant remember witch one I bought. I Think It was a DPMS IIRC.

I run a dpms lr308 buffer and buffer spring in my POF 20" 308 which was the answer to a question i found on this site, as someone had asked Frank that at POF.

Yeah I was a little confused because somewhere I read you should use the rifle length buffer.

UPS guy showed up today with my 20" P308 upper. 7 day turnaround, not bad. I looked at it real quick and they cut in a "extended feed ramp" and polished it. They also replaced the BCG with the newest generation including the roller cam. I'll check it out this evening or in the morning and give a more in depth update.

they cut extended ramps . wonder who did that to a pof first?

So even with the PRS stock you want to have the carbine length buffer and spring? I had heard you should use the rifle length buffer and spring?

So which is it? Anybody that have this stock can comment?

ooops...wrong spot.

I have a POF and love it! At about 900-1000rds so far without a single hiccup.

Love my Battle Rifle. Its been back to the factory once. Seems to work now, though I may have to send it again for a minor issue. Feeds well, accurate, and reliable.

Please post pics of ramps.

I'll post some pic's later today.

Here's the pictures I promised of the extended feed ramp POF cut in (looks more like ground in) and polished . I played with the rifle this morning and it seems better but I still had some issues with the bolt not closing fully. Keep in mind this was manually cycling rounds. I need to take it to the range and fire it to be sure. I also need to look at my buffer spring and buffer to ensure it's the right length as others said there may be some issues with folks using the wrong length. I'm running a Magpul PRS and I believe the tube, spring and buffer are the right length. I used quite a few different magizines and still seem to have issues with some of them, but then others of the same brand work great. I wonder if the follower tilting is having anything to do with it. I've adjusted feed lips buy the way with mixed results.

Is that a clean looking cut in person? Looks kind of rough like done by hand . We tried doing it that way bu found real extensions worked better. Good luck with your guns boys.

Does your buffer look like this? This is the one POF sells for their 308's and it works beautifully in mine.

The buffer you show is for the adjustable stock. The PRS uses the standard rifle length tube and bigger buffer.

Well my gun has the prs stock and rifle length tube, but when I put the longer buffer in it, I had nothing but feeding problems. When I took it out and put the shorter buffer back in, all of those issues went away.

Originally Posted By RI0T:

The buffer you show is for the adjustable stock. The PRS uses the standard rifle length tube and bigger buffer.


Well my gun has the prs stock and rifle length tube, but when I put the longer buffer in it, I had nothing but feeding problems. When I took it out and put the shorter buffer back in, all of those issues went away. Could the spring be too long? Something is obstructing the rearward movement of the bolt because I also had problems getting the bolt to hold open with the longer buffer.

Swat_dude: I had the same problem then I realized I used the wrong screw to hold the stock on. You have to use the shorter screw or the buffer will hit it. The longer buffer keeps the bolt from over traveling in the longer tube. If you put the long screw in and your short buffer is stopping where it should, you should be okay.

I found you have to use the DPMS LR308 standard rifle length spring (a2) and dpms buffer for the magpul prs. Found them both on midway usa. It works good in mine. My upper feed ramp also has the "POF cut" extension in it as i had sent my upper back some time ago.

After i got my rifle back for a second time from it not feeding correctly still, i found i had a new bolt carrier group in it and the was polished out (as evidence there were metal flakes all over the place).

I have had one of the 18" P-416's for over a year now, bought it after BHO got elected, literally right after. I had been eyeballing the POF's for a while before that and happend to find one at a gunshow in November '08 and snapped it up. Love it, never had issue with it. It has worked flawlessly since I bought it. A little gouge in the upper from the Bolt but otherwise no issues. Very easy to clean (except for the gas piston but I can live with that) and great fit and finish. Accuracy with it is better than I can shoot.

You have to use the long buffer and spring with the rifle length tube. Make sure you use the screw that came with the PRS (Shorter) than the screw that comes with the a2 tube or the long buffer will bottom out before the bolt carrier has gone all the way to the rear.

Love mine, other than it's too fun to shoot. If only it would jam occasionally I wouldn't have to shoot as many bullets. Wouldn't trade it for any other AR.

Well I posted the thread with all the pics of the cam pin groove months ago and since I sent my rifle back to POF and got it back. It has worked FLAWLESSLY. 2000 rounds and not a hitch. Granted they weren't all in one day, but the thing shoots better than any other AR I've shot before. (15-20 different ARs I've shot) No expert here, but I shoots GREAT and I love it.

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